Weinland Park: Lots of time, effort a...

Weinland Park: Lots of time, effort and money are being spent to transform the struggling neighbo...

There are 34 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Nov 7, 2010, titled Weinland Park: Lots of time, effort and money are being spent to transform the struggling neighbo.... In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Multimillion-dollar efforts to revive the Weinland Park neighborhood include removing blight such as this burned house.

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Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#1 Nov 7, 2010
"The community still has many deep-rooted problems to overcome, not only crime and poverty but health problems as well that prevent many residents from working or getting a high-quality education."

What kind of BS is this? Drive through there on North Fourth St. on any nice day and you'll see large groups of young men hanging out. What are their 'health problems'?
DEAD

Columbus, OH

#2 Nov 7, 2010
The Gangbangers own that neighborhood! So which of our neighborhoods is going to have deal with them when they run them out??? We've already seen this in what used to be considerted nice part of this fair city. Some of us a tired of this whole political agenda of renewing downtown and surrounding areas for the investors that bought up cheap ran down properties.
kenmore

Barberton, OH

#3 Nov 7, 2010
The BS is this, your negativity your own post cited three things crime, poverty health problems sadly and with sarcasm you went with one
kwg

Mount Vernon, OH

#4 Nov 7, 2010
I don't know about the particular young men you are talking about here; but when we just drive by these people and assume that because they are young, male and "hanging-out" that they are not worthy of our assistance, that says something about us as a community. What stopped you from getting out of your car and asking these guys your question?

When you grow-up seeing your parents, grandparents, and other relatives work two and three low-paying jobs with no benefits just to feed you, you wonder how to do better.

When you do learn and do excel in school, you wonder how to pay for college. Since no one went to college in your family, you are happy to receive any help you can get. So you take out student loans offered to you believing the "fairy-tale you are sold in these neighborhoods." If you can do well in school and go to college and graduate, you will be able to come home and help your families do better too.

Then, when you try to come home and work, you are told that your "Master's Degree from OSU" is not enough to get you a job teaching what you know back home to the people still struggling to survive in your own neighborhood.

Then, no one hires you but tells you if you get more education and take more tests and pay for them yourself, we will hire you. You do this and while you are doing it you take "two and three part-time jobs with no benefits" to support yourself and your family while you try to jump even higher to get what others who are not from these neighborhood have handed to them by their parents when they graduate with just a bachelors degree from a college their parents paid for them to attend.

So, now you are a person with a Master's in Ed from Ohio State. You have nearly 100,000.00 in student loan and college debt. And, the people with less education and experience who have all the financial and cultural capital will not hire you for any kind of job but part-time work as assistants who help their inexperienced college educated children learn how to do the jobs that you can do and have done for years.

So, maybe the next time you drive by these guys you might do something to help change the reasons that keep them stuck there instead of questioning their "health conditions." It is the social stigma and societies ills that keep these guys from getting the education and jobs they would do if it weren't for people driving on by them and assuming that these guys playing basketball in Weinland Park would never be able to be doctors, teachers, lawyers, and police officers.

Thank you to the Wagonbrenners, Chase Bank, Schoenbaum Family Center, OSU College of Education and Human Ecology, OSUMC, and all of the financial and social services sponsors supporting the raising up of Weinland Park.

It is correct to say that it will take a number of years to help a whole community change. Perhaps if you folks are driving by you could lend a positive hand up instead of just driving by these deserving community members and shooting them down before they get a chance.
Naive

United States

#5 Nov 7, 2010
kwg wrote:
What stopped you from getting out of your car and asking these guys your question?
Perhaps it was that fact that they "young guys" like to to shoot and kill naive people like yourself that think there's anyone to blame for their lawlessness other than the animals that roam the streets around 4th and 8th.
campus activist

Grove City, OH

#6 Nov 7, 2010
How about educating and a larger police force before investing millions? I'm in the area often, and rarely do I see police cars.
Sure it's a great concept, but how about creating jobs so they can afford these homes? All this is going to do is move the lazy people and gangsters to another area of Columbus.
SeenItAllB4

Columbus, OH

#7 Nov 7, 2010
Approx 10-12 years ago Ohio State conducted a highly coordinated appeal to its wealthy donors and plowed millions of dollars into Weinland Park. Several OSU fundraisers worked on the project and pursued some of the most affluent givers in the area. That is a fact. And it has not been reported on in this growing series of articles on Weinland Park. Why???? What does OSU have to show for those efforts???? Report on those efforts Dispatch reporters. "Throwing money at a problem" is a pertinent part of the problems facing WP.
Hopeitissuccessf ul

United States

#8 Nov 7, 2010
The issue is if you stop your car experience says it more than likely will not end well. These groups seem to not want to give you a chance to help. Violence is almost assured. It is so sad because I agree that many of these young folks are bright and do deserve a chance. They deserve strong, successful mentors. If there was a way to help them get past the anger and resentment so they could focus on the things that will bring them along to a better situation it should be done. Giving some one something for nothing does not seem to be the answer in any group. Creating an environment where people work for their future success develops the pride and self respect that will enable them to believe in themselves as they strive to achieve. I am surprised at the comments regarding the OSU education. If true quite disappointing. I wish this program the best, it is important for everyone that these investments of money, people, time, etc. payoff so success can feed on itself and change the lives of many for the better.
Frankie

Columbus, OH

#9 Nov 7, 2010
This area was a dump 50 years ago when I was young and will continue to be so in the future.

There are too many individuals living in the area that require "support" and who drag down the quality of life. What fools would move into the advertised new housing and send their children to the public schools in the area?

Such improvements are like the sidewalks installed on Morse Road. How does sidewalks bring sales dollars into the crumbling Karl/Morse area? It doesn't.

Campus Activist appears to understand the basis for any future improvement in the area's quality of life.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#10 Nov 7, 2010
Big Johnson wrote:
What kind of BS is this? Drive through there on North Fourth St. on any nice day and you'll see large groups of young men hanging out. What are their 'health problems'?
Bullet wounds from drug deals gone awry? Blood clots from sitting out on the porch all day and/or being cuffed by police?
kwg

Mount Vernon, OH

#11 Nov 7, 2010
Yes. We do need to bring these guys in and help them be the protection that is now provided by gangs and criminal activity.

As to me being naive. That I am. Way more naive than those "young guys" on 4th street. But lacking in some knowledge or connections to this place...not at all. I was born on 5th avenue. I lived in the bottom floor of a house on the corner of E. 8th and Pearl Alley as a preschooler; and I got my shots and went to kindergarten at Weinland Park and the former Michigan Ave. Elementary. My dad, his parents, his grandparents, his great-grandparents, and his-great-great grandparents were all born and worked and made a living as artisans, and even backyard farmers in the city from Goodale to Weinland Park. They were Amish furniture makers, rabbit and poultry farmers in Grandview during the great depression; and my great-grandfather was the custodian in the old Larkins Hall where he cleaned pools for diving Coach Mike Peppe.
From these fine people who worked hard and lived from pay-check to pay-check and job-to-job, came people who were the first OSU GAMEDAY TAILGATERS! My great-grand-dad worked overtime on gamedays securing the intersection of Lane and Kenny. He packed up all of his family and grandkids, a cooler, picnic lunch, and a battery operated A.M. Radio and headed out in their pick-up truck for work. They were the original tailgaters. Their family activity which allowed him to bring his family on the job with him while he guarded this intersection during OSU football games is now a multimillion dollar tailgating industry which is keeping a whole lot of people financially well-off in the university district and around the globe.

So, naive to the negative criminal activities currently plaguing Weinland Park and Short North areas near OSU, sure, you are right. I have no experiences of what it is like to have to break the law and live with violence because of being poor and discriminated against. But I sure do know what it is like to be poor, live pay-check to pay-check, and still not break any laws or resort to living and fearing gun violance.

But I do know what it is like to live with these things and NOT GET INVOLVED WITH CRIME but INSTEAD GET AND EDUCATION AND DEVOTE MYSELF to helping others do the same in hopes we too will make it out of this unjust cycle of poverty.

I am still being treated as if I haven't been educated or changed from my own upbringing in Columbus. But I am living proof that people like me from Weinland Park can and do change, learn and grow. We would be just like you who didn't have to work so hard as I have...if people who stereotype each other for being rich or being poor would only stop this wrongful thinking based on past and on what you see. "You have to go in to find out." We may take longer to get our degrees or to change our bad neighborhoods but the longer we argue and assume negative outcomes from one another based on the past or our looks....the more public and private dollars you are throwing out that will not result in permanent solutions!

Stop stereotyping and hire those you say are too needy or are not a "GOOD FIT" for your company, your school district, or your university department. If we have enough knowledge, experience, and education to apply for your jobs...you need to give us a shot at it instead of making assumptions based on biased stereotypes of age, disability, education, or where we grew-up and what we have had to overcome to get to a place where we could qualify to apply for your jobs.

Everyone deserves the chance to be viewed equally and hired regardless of your opinions about where they grew-up or what age they are, or who their parents are or are not compared to you and your own family and friends!
Hope

Columbus, OH

#13 Nov 7, 2010
The spirit of the Weinland Park neighborhood is a joy to behold. I would LOVE to see the positive transformation in this neighborhood when all these dreams and plans become reality. I applaud the efforts of The Ohio State University and its partners, and the residents of Weinland Park, in creating a vision to save this neighborhood. The Schoenbaum Family Center is just the beginning of hope and betterment for children of this vibrant area. I have no doubt that the plans of today will create leaders of tomorrow whose lives will be far better because of this community partnership.
kwg

Mount Vernon, OH

#14 Nov 7, 2010
Hopeitissuccessful wrote:
The issue is if you stop your car experience says it more than likely will not end well. These groups seem to not want to give you a chance to help. Violence is almost assured. It is so sad because I agree that many of these young folks are bright and do deserve a chance. They deserve strong, successful mentors. If there was a way to help them get past the anger and resentment so they could focus on the things that will bring them along to a better situation it should be done. Giving some one something for nothing does not seem to be the answer in any group. Creating an environment where people work for their future success develops the pride and self respect that will enable them to believe in themselves as they strive to achieve. I am surprised at the comments regarding the OSU education. If true quite disappointing. I wish this program the best, it is important for everyone that these investments of money, people, time, etc. payoff so success can feed on itself and change the lives of many for the better.
There is a way to help these people believe that they can do something and are valuable to us for something besides shooting baskets, selling dope, and protecting their 'hoods from this gangwar and that gangwar.

You bet they are angry and mistrustful of people who say they will help them. These people are everywhere. They help them learn to go to school; how to get on welfare and foodstamps; they help them learn that if they have unprotected relationships that it is better if they don't get married because then they will lose the only support they can provide for their children....public assistance.

Those of us that make it out of these neighborhoods are never accepted back in them again because we are a possible threat to their current culture; the only one they know. And we are never accepted outside of our neighborhoods by others unless we can be a slave or servant to them by taking jobs that are well below our level of qualifications and income requirements. If we try to move up like you say by working our way up from bottom to equal to our educational qualifications---these people from generations of affluence dump us back out on public assistance just like that! They only use us for the federal dollars we bring them but they never let us be the equals that we are no matter how hard we try or how hard we work.

AND YES. IT IS TRUE. I HAVE A MASTERS IN ED FROM OSU. I WAS BORN AND LIVED IN WEINLAND PARK. AND, I can't even get a regular fulltime job working at OSU that would allow me to use my qualifications and what I learned from them. At my age and with my education and experience I shouldn't have to keep starting out in low-wage part-time jobs when people who have less experience, and less education are hired as my supervisors.

I haven't done anything wrong to deserve this and it is not the economy that keeps me unemployed. It is discrimination, unfair stereotypes, and unfair hiring practices. I am an outstanding reading teacher. Until all children read as well as I do then there is no lack of work for me in Columbus, Ohio. There are a lot of people who are unwilling to admit they make mistakes who should hire as many people as they can find to teach these children. But, they will always make their decisions on "FEAR or GREED or BOTH."

You bet these young guys are angry and resentful. But it doesn't mean we have to use violence against those who are "naive" but want to help. We need to teach each other and be willing to see that all of us have something positive to share. The first thing we need to do is put the guns down and honestly listen to each other and give all of us a voice and a part in the solution instead of writing us all off as another problem costing tax-payers money.
Altamont

Nashport, OH

#16 Nov 7, 2010
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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The only way you are going to see positive transformation is if you put all liberals up against a wall, execute them, and bring God back into the schools. Until the moolies repair their family situation, there is no hope for them whatsoever. NONE, ZERO, NADA.
God was everywhere in the schools before the Civil War when the church supported the ownership of one human being by another.
kwg

Mount Vernon, OH

#17 Nov 7, 2010
Enzyte Bob wrote:
To all you do-gooders out there:
You are all clueless.
Family structure is what holds back blacks. Blacks have always had a problem with family structure, and when liberals decided to try and solve it in the 1960's, they only made it worse.
Two can live as cheaply as one. If you stay together, those menial jobs are adequate to make a decent living for yourself if you know how to manage your money. When nobody lives together, that means everything costs you double and a menial job is not enough to make ends meet.
Simple solution: Stop spreading your legs indiscriminately.
Some of what you say here is so. We do need to stop throwing money into supporting the status quo because it is clearly not working and neither are people who are born in Weinland Park.

Why? Because if they get married they will have bills but no one hires you for a decent wage because they stereotype you as a "thug or addict or "DUMB HILLBILLY" is what I was called when I lived there.

Now. Let's see..."What if those of us from Weinland Park grow-up, get married, become honorably discharged veterans, get college educations, and then want to devote our lives to careers helping others get out of Weinland Park?"

Can we be hired to do that in Weinland Park? Or anywhere else for that matter? No. Because now we have 100,000.00 in student loans and people still only want us to work for them as janitors and teachers'aides, making less than we would get on public assistance without the medical care benefits.

And, now because we can't pay our student loan debt we are considered "stupid hillbillies" from Weinland Park or The Bottoms or where ever poor folks like me grow-up in Columbus.

I know for a fact that people in Weinland Park can and do get better educations. We just can't get jobs nor are we ever viewed differently by those who came to help us out of our poverty.

I have been lucky enough to live away from Ohio and learned much about how others handle this outside of our state.

I have been lucky enough to get limited low-paying employment in affluent suburbs and other places where I learned that the one thing we need to do for change is to stop viewing each other from where we came from and start helping each other solve this issue from where we are right now!

Violence causes violence. Disrespect gets you no respect. If you really want to help each other with budgets why don't you start looking at each other the way I have learned in my journey... "None of us asked to be born to the parents and the financial resources we have as a result of who gave birth to us and where they raised us." But as adults we ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO EACH OTHER to RESPECT AND HELP MAKE A SAFE PLACE FOR ALL PEOPLE LIVING HERE.

So, if you are someone who has a college degree and your parents raised you in a more privileged place than our brothers and sisters in Weinland Park, you need to view us as equals who are due the same respect you give your suburban neighbors and friends. And if you are a gang member or family of one; you need to see people who come to help you as people who are no more able to control their birth conditions than you were but people who need you to help them learn with you about what you DREAM for YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS and HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THEM HAPPEN FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN.

We are the ancestors of the future of Weinland Park. Let's make it one that our great-great grandchildren will be proud of, a part of, and will take on the responsibilities to make it and keep it a great place to live, learn, have fun, and work together in.
Topper

Columbus, OH

#19 Nov 7, 2010
Enzyte Bob wrote:
To all you do-gooders out there:
You are all clueless.
Family structure is what holds back blacks. Blacks have always had a problem with family structure, and when liberals decided to try and solve it in the 1960's, they only made it worse.
Two can live as cheaply as one. If you stay together, those menial jobs are adequate to make a decent living for yourself if you know how to manage your money. When nobody lives together, that means everything costs you double and a menial job is not enough to make ends meet.
Simple solution: Stop spreading your legs indiscriminately.
Blacks, espacially Black Men,..must stop defending and rationalizing the behavior of Blacks....
Blacks must stop lowering the standards, and start rising to meet the standards...
No more excuses, and boo-hooing around about 300 years ago....

Get in school...Stay in school...do the work.....
And it wouldn't hurt to go to church a few Sundays a month
Altamont

Nashport, OH

#20 Nov 7, 2010
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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And God was also there in the 1950's and the moolies had a 25% rate of bastardy (and whites 3%) which was considered astronomical at the time. Now after taking God out of the schools and replacing him with Cultural Marxism, guess what? Blacks have a 71% bastardy rate and whites have a 27% bastardy rate.
Liberals ruin every single thing they touch.
You're right. Nothing's more convincing than a racist rant.
Colin

Loveland, OH

#21 Nov 7, 2010
Frankie wrote:
This area was a dump 50 years ago when I was young and will continue to be so in the future.
There are too many individuals living in the area that require "support" and who drag down the quality of life. What fools would move into the advertised new housing and send their children to the public schools in the area?
Such improvements are like the sidewalks installed on Morse Road. How does sidewalks bring sales dollars into the crumbling Karl/Morse area? It doesn't.
Campus Activist appears to understand the basis for any future improvement in the area's quality of life.
I agree that sidewalks in the Morse area would hardly help development, but this comparison is flawed, it's like apples and oranges. Morse Rd is a 5 lane, heavy traffic, urban sprawl disaster, it's an unwalkable neighborhood that requires cars and public transit to just buy some toilet paper. Conversly, Weinland Park is a walkable hood, and had there been no sidewalks, the installation of such would result in improvement...But it's prime for redevlopment and revitalization. Some people may know this as gentrification, but aside from the "evil whiles of the whiteman" (which I happen to be one, note the sarcasm in my voice pertaining to the "evil") it'd be nice to see such a community be able to restitch the fabric and retain it's culture. While an increased police force WOULD be great, this community needs social leaders and programs to start the transformation.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#23 Nov 7, 2010
Topper wrote:
<quoted text>
Blacks, espacially Black Men,..must stop defending and rationalizing the behavior of Blacks....
Blacks must stop lowering the standards, and start rising to meet the standards...
No more excuses, and boo-hooing around about 300 years ago....
Get in school...Stay in school...do the work.....
And it wouldn't hurt to go to church a few Sundays a month
All true.
waronreality

Somerset, KY

#25 Nov 7, 2010
Limp Bob is jealous that some other ethnic group is more virale than thou. Boob is the problem. You can read he has no solutions just fear & loathing. Boob wants to kill everybody,(still don't know if "IT" is a human) with which it disagrees.

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