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old man

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#61 Jul 31, 2012
octoberK wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, it is alright to disagree with one anothers beliefs. But with Wobbler, she always jumps on these Christian threads and tries her dangdest to discredit God, Jesus, Christians and everything that has ever been written in the Bible. While, at the same time, says we should respect her beliefs and to not say she is wrong. Believe me, she harps on continuously about our beliefs being wrong. THAT is why so many here think she is intolerant or whatever you want to call it. I call her nuts.
Wobbie claims to be a liberal, they are the ones that preach the tolerance, they are the ones that up hold the multi cultural dribble, anything goes if it feels good, I on the other hand have never claimed to be tolerant, I stand by my convictions and speak up when what I believe in is attacked and I refuse to offer any apologizes for it. if you compromise your convictions then they were never worth a damn to start with.

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#62 Jul 31, 2012
octoberK wrote:
<quoted text>This is what bumfuzzled me. She looked like she believes in a God and that we believe in the wrong one.
Nope, don't believe in any god. However, there are thousands of "gods" believed in just as completely as you believe in your god. So when you say "I believe in God", I have to ask, "Which one?"

A natural continuance of that is, "How do you know you have the *right* one?" So when I say that if there IS a "god" (which I don't believe), you risk believing in the *wrong* god. In fact, the chances are about 3000:1 that you have the "right" god.

Since I don't believe in *any* god, it's all moot to me. But as a believer, you have to take into account you've been backing the wrong horse all along.

“Get off my lawn”

Since: Jul 10

Bremen, GA

#63 Jul 31, 2012
octoberK wrote:
Yes, it is alright to disagree with one anothers beliefs.[QUOTE]

Gosh, thanks for your permission.

[QUOTE who="octoberK"]But with Wobbler, she always jumps on these Christian threads and tries her dangdest to discredit God, Jesus, Christians and everything that has ever been written in the Bible. While, at the same time, says we should respect her beliefs and to not say she is wrong. Believe me, she harps on continuously about our beliefs being wrong. THAT is why so many here think she is intolerant or whatever you want to call it. I call her nuts.
Nope, I just present my beliefs whenever the Christians decide to get frisky. Just as a counterpoint.

As for saying your beliefs are wrong, I've never said that (although you all have said that about me, along with personal attacks regarding my morals). I've simply said what my beliefs are, and that what Christians believe isn't the end-all and be-all of belief systems in the world.

I've also thrown in some attempts to explain where some of your most dearly held beliefs come from, which 90% of the time is NOT from the bible. Tell me, have you ever sat down and actually READ this book, cover to cover? I have, several times. I've also had education in comparative religion and the history of religion.

Questioning a belief system isn't being intolerant. It's called free thought. Try it sometime.

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#64 Jul 31, 2012
Actually, old man, I'm closest to being a progressive. On some things I'm a Libertarian. Personally, I don't label myself anything in particular. That way I don't have to march in lockstep with any particular group, and I don't have to lull myself into the safety of groupthink.

It's called being my own person. I believe what I believe. You're welcome to what you believe. But don't expect me not to express my beliefs just because you don't agree with them.

Especially when you run out shouting yours at the top of your lungs -- I think I have the right to speak up and say, "Wait a minute, not all of us believe that."

“Mess with these Claws......”

Since: Oct 09

Carrollton, GA

#65 Jul 31, 2012
wobbler1957 wrote:
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Nope, don't believe in any god. However, there are thousands of "gods" believed in just as completely as you believe in your god. So when you say "I believe in God", I have to ask, "Which one?"
A natural continuance of that is, "How do you know you have the *right* one?" So when I say that if there IS a "god" (which I don't believe), you risk believing in the *wrong* god. In fact, the chances are about 3000:1 that you have the "right" god.
Since I don't believe in *any* god, it's all moot to me. But as a believer, you have to take into account you've been backing the wrong horse all along.
I believe in the God I was raised to believe in. You believe there is no God. Ok, that is fine. So why every time people start a thread here pertaining to God, Jesus, Christians, you have to put some snide remark in pertaining to it all not existing? You bring out the human in Christians with your snide remarks about our beliefs( yes we can get angry and defensive). Why do you even want to comment on Christian threads if you do not believe in any of it? I will tell you why, it is because you want to ruffle feathers and try to make your beliefs the right one and ours are the wrong one. If you do not believe in God then why don't you just ignore the Christian threads? Don't leave your snide comments. You leave our beliefs alone, we leave yours alone.
Radical Moderate

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#66 Jul 31, 2012
octoberK wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, it is alright to disagree with one anothers beliefs. But with Wobbler, she always jumps on these Christian threads and tries her dangdest to discredit God, Jesus, Christians and everything that has ever been written in the Bible. While, at the same time, says we should respect her beliefs and to not say she is wrong. Believe me, she harps on continuously about our beliefs being wrong. THAT is why so many here think she is intolerant or whatever you want to call it. I call her nuts.
I guess I still don't see the issue. Isn't that the point of these "Christian threads" as well: to tell non-believers that their beliefs (or lack of) are wrong and they'll go to hell?? I see it as exactly the same thing, and I don't see any of it as intolerant.

To sum up:

Someone starts a thread to directly address non-believers and tell them they're a) wrong, and b) going to hell. And you think it's "intolerant" for said non-believer to respond in that thread with a rebuttal?

Later you said:
octoberK wrote:
Why do you even want to comment on Christian threads if you do not believe in any of it? I will tell you why, it is because you want to ruffle feathers and try to make your beliefs the right one and ours are the wrong one
Could I not just as easily turn that around on the Christians and accuse them of starting the threads in the first place just to ruffle non-believers feathers? What I hear you saying is, "It's ok for us to state our beliefs, but if you disagree with it, you have to stay quiet".

You continued
octoberK wrote:
"If you do not believe in God then why don't you just ignore the Christian threads?
If you do believe in God, then why don't you just leave the atheist comments alone?
octoberK wrote:
You leave our beliefs alone, we leave yours alone.
Then I guess I can expect to see no more Christian threads on here telling us non-believers that Jesus is coming back and we need to get ready?

Again, I have no problem with the threads being started, and I also have no problem with anyone disagreeing with them. I actually like to hear the debate from both sides. What I don't get, is why people who are here expressing their beliefs, are telling others they shouldn't be expressing their beliefs.

“Mess with these Claws......”

Since: Oct 09

Carrollton, GA

#67 Jul 31, 2012
Radical Moderate wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess I still don't see the issue. Isn't that the point of these "Christian threads" as well: to tell non-believers that their beliefs (or lack of) are wrong and they'll go to hell?? I see it as exactly the same thing, and I don't see any of it as intolerant.
To sum up:
Someone starts a thread to directly address non-believers and tell them they're a) wrong, and b) going to hell. And you think it's "intolerant" for said non-believer to respond in that thread with a rebuttal?
Later you said:
<quoted text>
Could I not just as easily turn that around on the Christians and accuse them of starting the threads in the first place just to ruffle non-believers feathers? What I hear you saying is, "It's ok for us to state our beliefs, but if you disagree with it, you have to stay quiet".
You continued <quoted text>
If you do believe in God, then why don't you just leave the atheist comments alone?
<quoted text>
Then I guess I can expect to see no more Christian threads on here telling us non-believers that Jesus is coming back and we need to get ready?
Again, I have no problem with the threads being started, and I also have no problem with anyone disagreeing with them. I actually like to hear the debate from both sides. What I don't get, is why people who are here expressing their beliefs, are telling others they shouldn't be expressing their beliefs.
Once again, it is her snide remarks and attempts at discrediting Christians and everything written in the Bible that ruffles feathers on these threads. Why can't she just say she doesn't believe in God and leave it at that? It is not her beliefs that is a problem( I don't care who or what she believes in), it is her need to ruffle feathers and to prove herself right that we believe in the wrong thing. She does not want Christians to try to sway her into their beliefs but she sure does go to mighty lengths to try to sway us into believing her way.

See it the way you choose but I have been seeing her posts for quite some time now(years) and they are always insinuating she is right(about everything)and more intelligent than the rest of us(heck she has even said that) and everyone else is beneath her. She is a pot stirrer though she will deny it. According to her, she does no wrong. Just wish sometimes that she would not have the need to comment on nearly every thread and make it all about her. It gets old.
old man

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#68 Jul 31, 2012
wobbler1957 wrote:
Actually, old man, I'm closest to being a progressive. On some things I'm a Libertarian. Personally, I don't label myself anything in particular. That way I don't have to march in lockstep with any particular group, and I don't have to lull myself into the safety of groupthink.
It's called being my own person. I believe what I believe. You're welcome to what you believe. But don't expect me not to express my beliefs just because you don't agree with them.
Especially when you run out shouting yours at the top of your lungs -- I think I have the right to speak up and say, "Wait a minute, not all of us believe that."
Progressive? half way down this link tells what the progressives are, explains why I care nothing for your leanings,

http://discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategor...
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#69 Jul 31, 2012
Radical Moderate

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#70 Jul 31, 2012
octoberK wrote:
<quoted text>Once again, it is her snide remarks and attempts at discrediting Christians and everything written in the Bible that ruffles feathers on these threads.
So it's more the way she goes about disagreeing that you object to? Ok, fair enough I guess.

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#71 Jul 31, 2012
I've been trying to figure out her issue with me for years, RM, and I've been stumped. She started out friendly, then because I disagreed with her on a thread about whether someone has the right to shoot dogs that are trespassing and destroying your property, she put me on her permanent shit list.

It doesn't matter how I phrase anything, she's going to take offense to it.

As for my writing style, I try to lay things out the way they are, and I provide sources if I think I need to or if they're requested. If I don't dress stuff up in flowery language or get all sweetness and light about things, I suppose that could ruffle feathers.

But if stating my beliefs in an open forum, as a counterpoint to others stating their beliefs, is intolerant, then I guess I'm guilty as charged. And guess what? I'll continue to do that. I figure if a particular viewpoint is expressed, I have as much right as the OP to express a differing viewpoint.

“Mess with these Claws......”

Since: Oct 09

Carrollton, GA

#72 Aug 1, 2012
wobbler1957 wrote:
I've been trying to figure out her issue with me for years, RM, and I've been stumped. She started out friendly, then because I disagreed with her on a thread about whether someone has the right to shoot dogs that are trespassing and destroying your property, she put me on her permanent shit list.
It doesn't matter how I phrase anything, she's going to take offense to it.
As for my writing style, I try to lay things out the way they are, and I provide sources if I think I need to or if they're requested. If I don't dress stuff up in flowery language or get all sweetness and light about things, I suppose that could ruffle feathers.
But if stating my beliefs in an open forum, as a counterpoint to others stating their beliefs, is intolerant, then I guess I'm guilty as charged. And guess what? I'll continue to do that. I figure if a particular viewpoint is expressed, I have as much right as the OP to express a differing viewpoint.
Once again, it was not about a certain thread you responded to, it is about your attitude and ugliness. Yes, I was friendly with you in the beginning and then I saw your true colors one too many times and got disgusted by you.

“Mess with these Claws......”

Since: Oct 09

Carrollton, GA

#73 Aug 1, 2012
Radical Moderate wrote:
<quoted text>
So it's more the way she goes about disagreeing that you object to? Ok, fair enough I guess.
Exactly:)

Since: Jun 10

Bowdon, GA

#74 Aug 7, 2012
When I see a thread that neither pertains TO nor am I interested IN, I simply skip it. I don't understand why someone would spend so much time and energy debating something they supposedly don't believe in to start with. Some of the threads on this site make me just shake my head or even laugh at, then I go to the next one. WHY would I, for example, spend time and energy debating the pros and cons of the WWF, when I have absolutely NO interest in it? If I don't believe in Bigfoot, why would I spend hours, days, even weeks debating with someone who does? Similarly, it seems that, when someone has made their views on a subject abundantly clear, what's left to argue about? Do you REALLY think you're going to change their minds? If so, remember that the definition of stupidity is doing (or saying) the same thing over and over and over and expecting different results! Why not just accept that the viewpoints are NEVER going to change and just......LET IT GO?

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Bremen, GA

#75 Aug 7, 2012
I can't speak for anyone else, but I enjoy a good *debate* on spiritual matters. I always have. It's because I'm interested in philosophy and comparative religion.

Now, when it devolves into "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!!!" it becomes a challenge to bring the level of discourse back up into the realms of debate and reasonable discussion. Sometimes it doesn't make it back.

The other Jesus Is Coming thread has done an excellent job of being an enjoyable debate, thanks to Radical Moderate and some level-headed Christians.

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