Why Democrats want the US to fall

[fedup]

Are we tired of the American way? Tired of the "inalienable rights" of man, Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Yeah, makes about as much sense as the one about the republicans, but, study the platforms of the party and the history of all great nations before us that have collapsed and compare the similar views of the democrats and the leaders of the fallen empires.

[HMMM]

They want us to fail so they can point their fingers at the republicans and say "it's their fault"!

[silly rabbit]

"Know what real men do? They admit their mistakes. Know what real people do in times of great stress and strife and economic downturn? They seek help, understand they don't know all the answers, realize they might not've been asking the right questions in the first place.
Know what great leaders, great nations do at times of war and fracture and massive bludgeoning debt? All of the above, all the time, with great intelligence and humility and grace and awareness and shared humanity. Or they die.

But not BushCo. This is the hilarious thing. This is the appalling thing, still. How can this man remain so blindly, staggeringly resolute? How can he be so appallingly ignorant of fact, of truth, of evidence, of deep thought? In short, what the hell is wrong with George W. Bush?

Bush is, to be sure and in a word, unyielding. Determined. Immovable. Also, deeply confused. Myopic as hell. Frighteningly narrow minded. Weirdly random. Childish in a way that would make any good parent seriously question whether it might be time to get their child some Ritalin and an emetic.

He is, in other words, our downfall.

There is no eloquent, deeply felt defense of ideas. There is no intellectual breakdown of opinion, no multifaceted explanation, no passionate clarification. And there is certainly no reference to outside ideas, a confession that we might need help, input, wisdom from our neighbors, from science, from the wise and the experienced.

Bush is, of course, speaking to children. He is speaking to babies. It is a decidedly shallow and hollow and oddly deflated type of language that offers not a single nutritious or substantive thought to the political or cultural dialogue, other than to expand his staggering collection of embarrassing Bushisms.

It's all merely a crayon drawing, an intellectual wading pool, a big messy cartoon world populated by manly white good guys and fanged dark evil guys and we are good and They are evil and that's all there is to it so please stop asking weird tricky polysyllabic questions.

Maybe this is appropriate. Maybe this is as it should be. After all, we are, by and large, a nation that refuses to grow up, refuses to take responsibility for our gluttony and its global effects, refuses to see the world as it is now, a mad tangle of interconnected humanity, a global marketplace, a hodgepodge of variegated religions all stemming from the same source and which therefore all require a nimble and nuanced and deeply intelligent leadership, to navigate. Qualities which our current leadership has, well, not at all.

What causes the downfall of empires? What causes the implosion of leadership, the slide of great nations into the deep muck of recession and war and mediocrity and numb irrelevance? That's easy. Stagnation. Refusal to change. Refusal to adapt, to progress. Refusal to grow the hell up, to take responsibility for our shortcomings and failures, as well as our successes."

[Lost in Tennessee]

silly rabbit wrote:

"Know what real men do? They admit their mistakes. Know what real people do in times of great stress and strife and economic downturn? They seek help, understand they don't know all the answers, realize they might not've been asking the right questions in the first place.
Know what great leaders, great nations do at times of war and fracture and massive bludgeoning debt? All of the above, all the time, with great intelligence and humility and grace and awareness and shared humanity. Or they die.
But not BushCo. This is the hilarious thing. This is the appalling thing, still. How can this man remain so blindly, staggeringly resolute? How can he be so appallingly ignorant of fact, of truth, of evidence, of deep thought? In short, what the hell is wrong with George W. Bush?
Bush is, to be sure and in a word, unyielding. Determined. Immovable. Also, deeply confused. Myopic as hell. Frighteningly narrow minded. Weirdly random. Childish in a way that would make any good parent seriously question whether it might be time to get their child some Ritalin and an emetic.
He is, in other words, our downfall.
There is no eloquent, deeply felt defense of ideas. There is no intellectual breakdown of opinion, no multifaceted explanation, no passionate clarification. And there is certainly no reference to outside ideas, a confession that we might need help, input, wisdom from our neighbors, from science, from the wise and the experienced.
Bush is, of course, speaking to children. He is speaking to babies. It is a decidedly shallow and hollow and oddly deflated type of language that offers not a single nutritious or substantive thought to the political or cultural dialogue, other than to expand his staggering collection of embarrassing Bushisms.
It's all merely a crayon drawing, an intellectual wading pool, a big messy cartoon world populated by manly white good guys and fanged dark evil guys and we are good and They are evil and that's all there is to it so please stop asking weird tricky polysyllabic questions.
Maybe this is appropriate. Maybe this is as it should be. After all, we are, by and large, a nation that refuses to grow up, refuses to take responsibility for our gluttony and its global effects, refuses to see the world as it is now, a mad tangle of interconnected humanity, a global marketplace, a hodgepodge of variegated religions all stemming from the same source and which therefore all require a nimble and nuanced and deeply intelligent leadership, to navigate. Qualities which our current leadership has, well, not at all.
What causes the downfall of empires? What causes the implosion of leadership, the slide of great nations into the deep muck of recession and war and mediocrity and numb irrelevance? That's easy. Stagnation. Refusal to change. Refusal to adapt, to progress. Refusal to grow the hell up, to take responsibility for our shortcomings and failures, as well as our successes."

so what are you suggesting? building a time machine and going back to prevent him from being elected? good luck with that.

maybe instead of that, you could be focusing on the future? just a suggestion...

[silly rabbit]

Just suggesting that it isn't the democrats who ''want america to fail," it is in fact the people who voted for Bush. If you want change, vote for a candidate with bright ideas for change; for the candidate who at least has a chance of restoring hope. You shouldn't be so angry; it cannot be healthy.

[i believe]

I don't think that anyone really wants America to fail, the idea that anyone would even consider that is just silly to me. However I do think that there are a lot of people who cannot admit when they are wrong. Voting simply democrat or repulican is ridiculous, why not vote for the person? The person I am voting for this year just happens to be democrat, but next time they MIGHT be republican. You see I watch the news and keep up with what the candidates are saying. I listen to their ideas and watch how they react in different situations. Neither one is perfect, but then again I don't remember a single president who has been.

[THE TRUTH IS]

The definition of CHANGE, is as varied as there are people, so whose definition is right?

[Lost in Tennessee]

silly rabbit wrote:

Just suggesting that it isn't the democrats who ''want america to fail," it is in fact the people who voted for Bush. If you want change, vote for a candidate with bright ideas for change; for the candidate who at least has a chance of restoring hope. You shouldn't be so angry; it cannot be healthy.

i don't think that anyone really wants america to fail. i voted for bush, but i didn't want america to fail, so that's just dumb.

and i'm not angry, just annoyed. certain types of people do that to me...you know, idiots.

[alphamale]

I stringly disagree with the notion that democrats want the US to fail, it is not only far-fetched but also lacks any auntheticity whatsoever. I believe in the constitution of this country, partly because it protects and honors my freedom as a human being and partly because it gives me pride to be born in a country where one can wear a Bikini and go to the beach. elsewhere in the world, others are not so lucky. I think people have developed that habit of blaming others when things go wrong. Granted, Bush has sold us to the Chinese, our history however is one of come-backs and we will recover from the present recession. Obviously going to war was a mistake (I have served in Iraq - i know what I am saying.) We need to unite as Americans and bring change to our country, We are not republicans and democrats - we are Americans!

[Ms Manners]

"alphamale" is correct that we are or should be Americans first. We may be facing difficult times in the future, perhaps through the fault of past leadership or perhaps due to future leaders as well. It is a combination of facts that cause the times to be as they are, not one person or one action. I will put my faith in the fact that we are Americans and the Americans of the past have given us a great example to follow. The one thing they did not do was fight against each other (oh, except during the civil war), they pulled together. No matter who becomes the new leader of our nation, we are in for some hard times. Remember that the actions of other nations also affect our future. I for one do not agree with all that Bush did and will probably not agree completely with the new president, but I also do not know all the details that go into the decisions a president must make. Lets just be supportive when we can, especially on a local level.

[Lost in Tennessee]

i believe wrote:

I don't think that anyone really wants America to fail, the idea that anyone would even consider that is just silly to me. However I do think that there are a lot of people who cannot admit when they are wrong. Voting simply democrat or repulican is ridiculous, why not vote for the person? The person I am voting for this year just happens to be democrat, but next time they MIGHT be republican. You see I watch the news and keep up with what the candidates are saying. I listen to their ideas and watch how they react in different situations. Neither one is perfect, but then again I don't remember a single president who has been.

i've been listening, too. and i've heard obama change his mind several times. regardless, i plan to vote for whomever i feel will do the best job and know that everyone can do the same. i don't begrudge anyone that right, and don't really care who everyone else is voting for.

i'm just tired of everyone always jumping on everyone else, and i agree with you that to vote a straight ticket is probably not a good idea in times such as these.

[fedup]

alphamale wrote:

I stringly disagree with the notion that democrats want the US to fail, it is not only far-fetched but also lacks any auntheticity whatsoever. I believe in the constitution of this country, partly because it protects and honors my freedom as a human being and partly because it gives me pride to be born in a country where one can wear a Bikini and go to the beach. elsewhere in the world, others are not so lucky. I think people have developed that habit of blaming others when things go wrong. Granted, Bush has sold us to the Chinese, our history however is one of come-backs and we will recover from the present recession. Obviously going to war was a mistake (I have served in Iraq - i know what I am saying.) We need to unite as Americans and bring change to our country, We are not republicans and democrats - we are Americans!

Exactly my point, that this is only as idiotic as the topic about Republicans hating America. What we must decide is the future of this nation. You were there, do you feel that we are only in Iraq for the benefit of Bush and Cheney to steal the oil, or do you feel we are there to try to promote democracy? And by the way, thank you for serving this country and protecting our rights.

[Lost in Tennessee]

fedup wrote:

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Exactly my point, that this is only as idiotic as the topic about Republicans hating America. What we must decide is the future of this nation. You were there, do you feel that we are only in Iraq for the benefit of Bush and Cheney to steal the oil, or do you feel we are there to try to promote democracy? And by the way, thank you for serving this country and protecting our rights.

i knew what you were doing...i think that it's so crazy for people to just label all groups certain ways and trash talk all of them. that's not winning anyone friends.

i have to be honest; when i first started checking out topix, i was confused about a lot of political issues. topix has forced me to research things that i didn't know and i now stand where i am not because my family votes one way or because i'm ignorant and don't know any better but because it's the choice i've made through research and lots of thought. at least topix has done that for me.

[furnandeux]

the charges that the republicans seek the downfall of america are so specious, so obviously contrived and manipulated, that it makes those leveling those charges sound silly -
whereas the charges that the liberals seek the downfall of america can be documented by review of voting records, introduced legislation, judicial findings, and even party platform statements -
there is no comparison -

[i believe]

furnandeux wrote:

the charges that the republicans seek the downfall of america are so specious, so obviously contrived and manipulated, that it makes those leveling those charges sound silly -
whereas the charges that the liberals seek the downfall of america can be documented by review of voting records, introduced legislation, judicial findings, and even party platform statements -
there is no comparison -

Why in the world would liberals seek the downfall of America? Are they not Americans also? Republicans and Democrats are also AMERICANS which is the most important thing, I choose to believe that neither would pusposely want their own country to fail, they just differ in how to approach issues.

[furnandeux]

i believe wrote:

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Why in the world would liberals seek the downfall of America? Are they not Americans also? Republicans and Democrats are also AMERICANS which is the most important thing, I choose to believe that neither would pusposely want their own country to fail, they just differ in how to approach issues.

you, of course, can choose to believe whatever you wish - however, the liberal record is fact that can only be ignored with effort -

[i believe]

there is no sense in arguing with you, you have tunnel vision.