4000 young americans dead in iraq

[furnandeux]

defense dept officials announced today that there have been 4000 fatalities in the iraq war -
there is some concern that in a few weeks or months the overall total of killed will equal the number of young americans killed at american abortion mills, as promoted by american liberal politicians, each and every day of each and every year since 1973 - presidential candidates obama and clinton promise more of the same -

[KY Dave]

In the last 8 years what have the Republicans done to stop it?

Absolutely nothing!

[_Citizen]

In the last 8 years what has Bush done for the people of America?

Other than start a war that has killed 4000 soilders.

[wishing]

i wish it was just over and they were all home. i know its only wishful thinking however i know that it will be long time before they will ever all be home and its over and done with. i just wonder how many more of our people have to die over there.

[Knott Head]

Furnadex, it is sad to see the number of dead reach that high of a number but the way I see it is in most cases this would be the womans and doctor's choice to do this and the people killed in Iraq was ordered to fight by the idiot that we have as a president. Have you watch on tv about the badly wounded veterans returning from Iraq with half there faces blown off and missing limbs and the va gives them ten or twenty percent disability, seems to me that Bush doesn't give a damn about you as long as you are just another number and replacement in Iraq.

[furnandeux]

KY Dave wrote:

In the last 8 years what have the Republicans done to stop it?
Absolutely nothing!

as usual, dave, you are wrong - all the legislation introduced to address the problem over the past few years has originated on the republican side of the aisle -

[survivor]

As for Knott Head's comment I refer to what my DI told all of us in Basic Mil. Tng. No matter what you have to do, no matter what happens to you in the course of military action. you volunteered for it. No fetus has ever signed the papers to have their lives taken. So please make another argument when comparing, because this is as apples and oranges as you can get. Also as a caveat to this exchange, if the military is so bad, why are the voluntary re-entries to the war theatre so great? Just a query.

[furnandeux]

perhaps, knott, if viewed from a different perspective, you might understand the disparity of numbers -

for EVERY american military casualty in iraq, there have been 12,000 american casualties attributable to immoral liberal policies -

[aint you special]

furnandeux wrote:

defense dept officials announced today that there have been 4000 fatalities in the iraq war -
there is some concern that in a few weeks or months the overall total of killed will equal the number of young americans killed at american abortion mills, as promoted by american liberal politicians, each and every day of each and every year since 1973 - presidential candidates obama and clinton promise more of the same -

That's sad 4000 U.S. soldiers dead for a stupid a$$ war in 6 years. But everybody bitches about abortion kills, wow 4000 in 35 years, compared to this war that's nothing. Sorry if you want more of the same vote for Mcbush.

[furnandeux]

aint you special wrote:

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That's sad 4000 U.S. soldiers dead for a stupid a$$ war in 6 years. But everybody bitches about abortion kills, wow 4000 in 35 years, compared to this war that's nothing. Sorry if you want more of the same vote for Mcbush.

please read and understand the post before replying - it is written in plain english with no big words -

[Inspogd]

aint you special wrote:

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That's sad 4000 U.S. soldiers dead for a stupid a$$ war in 6 years. But everybody bitches about abortion kills, wow 4000 in 35 years, compared to this war that's nothing. Sorry if you want more of the same vote for Mcbush.

You must be using Gore's fuzzy math. 4000(daily) X 365(days in a year) X 35 years. Think it's a few more than what you're thinking.

[Inspogd]

survivor wrote:

As for Knott Head's comment I refer to what my DI told all of us in Basic Mil. Tng. No matter what you have to do, no matter what happens to you in the course of military action. you volunteered for it. No fetus has ever signed the papers to have their lives taken. So please make another argument when comparing, because this is as apples and oranges as you can get. Also as a caveat to this exchange, if the military is so bad, why are the voluntary re-entries to the war theatre so great? Just a query.

Easy to tell another veteran,(and by the way, thanks) that there are still some people that believe in doing the right thing, no matter the circumstances. Sometimes even when they disagree with the purpose, the main thing that a soldier puts his (or her) faith in God and country. When the Commander in Chief makes a decision, the soldier has faith that it's for the betterment of his country and does not question. And like you pointed out, I think the troops speak a lot louder than the people on here ranting about how terrible it is to be at war by re-enlisting or new volunteers. No one made them join. Even though I had a high draft number during Vietnam, I also joined, never thought about running off to Canada no hiding behind my number. Think this country would be in a lot better shape right now had more people served and could understand some of what they keep spewing about.

[upsetting]

furnandeux wrote:

<quoted text>please read and understand the post before replying - it is written in plain english with no big words -

First of all I am so saddened by the fact this war has taken the lives of 4000 American men and women,it is a real shame. The fact that Furnanduh took that count and used it for his own agenda is very upsetting.These two numbers should not be compared in this way.It is always about how he sees things no matter the cost to other peoples feelings.I doubt that the parents that raised these young men and women to the age that they could serve their country, and then lost them to the war would not feel that this is a just comparison.

[Inspogd]

concerned wrote:

if we the people of the united states vote republican,the war will continue until what we have no more soldiers,or no more money to send over there,either way we lose iraq will never be a civilized country,we will be in a depression that we may not be able to come out of ,either way how do you respond?

Personally, I think the war will continue no matter what party wins. But to answer your question as to how to respond, win. Win at all cost. If it is for sure that the democrat is to win, then hopefully the republicans will do what ever it takes in the last few months to ensure the victory.

[Knott Head]

To survivor and Inspogd; First off out of the bull pit, I am a retired veteran and had over twenty years in the military and I have nothing but respect for my fellow country men. Second I was only trying to make a point to funimule that they are no comparison with what goes on in Iraq and abortion. Third, I do not agree with the decision to go to war in Iraq, if you do then you have my sympathy. Fourth, the situation is way to far out of hand and the republicans cannot insure victory no more than anyone else, if they could then they should have already done so. This is alot of the problem now, I say fight for your country to the death but don't let them brain wash you into something that isn't true. Again, Afganistan yes, Iraq,hell no. Inspogd, I know you as a real person and have known you all my life and you know that there is no winning this war, how can you make people have respect for others when they have no value on their own lifes, you should know this as good as the next person. It is one thing to fight for freedom and your country, but to fight a personal grudge match and oil business is another.

[Inspogd]

Knott Head wrote:

To survivor and Inspogd; First off out of the bull pit, I am a retired veteran and had over twenty years in the military and I have nothing but respect for my fellow country men. Second I was only trying to make a point to funimule that they are no comparison with what goes on in Iraq and abortion. Third, I do not agree with the decision to go to war in Iraq, if you do then you have my sympathy. Fourth, the situation is way to far out of hand and the republicans cannot insure victory no more than anyone else, if they could then they should have already done so. This is alot of the problem now, I say fight for your country to the death but don't let them brain wash you into something that isn't true. Again, Afganistan yes, Iraq,hell no. Inspogd, I know you as a real person and have known you all my life and you know that there is no winning this war, how can you make people have respect for others when they have no value on their own lifes, you should know this as good as the next person. It is one thing to fight for freedom and your country, but to fight a personal grudge match and oil business is another.

As a retired veteran, you know what I'm talking about Knott, don't lose. You know that we are capable of winning this war at any time we so choose, and the same applied to Vietnam. We've lost too many, and after all the troops have been through, we can't just pull out again. I'm not saying that this war is right, or we entered for the right reasons, but I really hate to see it all for nothing in the end. If the reason is for oil, then let's go get it. If it's to wipe them out, then let's get it done. But, just don't have another Korea and Vietnam.

[Knott Head]

Agreed, let's get them and get it over with, because if we win and for the troops sake we must, then pull a Harry Truman on them or otherwise it will turn out just as Nam did.

[saltine]

Knott Head wrote:

To survivor and Inspogd; First off out of the bull pit, I am a retired veteran and had over twenty years in the military and I have nothing but respect for my fellow country men. Second I was only trying to make a point to funimule that they are no comparison with what goes on in Iraq and abortion. Third, I do not agree with the decision to go to war in Iraq, if you do then you have my sympathy. Fourth, the situation is way to far out of hand and the republicans cannot insure victory no more than anyone else, if they could then they should have already done so. This is alot of the problem now, I say fight for your country to the death but don't let them brain wash you into something that isn't true. Again, Afganistan yes, Iraq,hell no. Inspogd, I know you as a real person and have known you all my life and you know that there is no winning this war, how can you make people have respect for others when they have no value on their own lifes, you should know this as good as the next person. It is one thing to fight for freedom and your country, but to fight a personal grudge match and oil business is another.

You must have been in a support MOS or AF, NAVY,or CG. You obviously have very little knowledge of the STRATEGIC picture in the mid-east. To have left iraq alone for 16 MORE UN resolutions to fail or be ignored would somehow have been the answer? What country did you serve? france? I haven't seen anymore unarmed Americans killed here by islamic terrorists since 9-11, have you? I have spent my time over there and am recovering from injureies incurred there and ain't bitching! What has it cost you? Me... 3 friends. And they all would go again if given the chance.

[aint you special]

furnandeux wrote:

<quoted text>please read and understand the post before replying - it is written in plain english with no big words -

I understood, just got tired of reading before I got to that part. Maybe if you used big words I would have paid some attention. But anyway you put it war IS wrong, and never the answer to anything, hell I think I might go join the protesters.

[aint you special]

KY Dave wrote:

In the last 8 years what have the Republicans done to stop it?
Absolutely nothing!

And they never will, republicans = war. Just like republicans cruise mens bathrooms for other men.