GOP bill aims to retool immigrant bir...

GOP bill aims to retool immigrant birthright citizenship

There are 152 comments on the Pasadena Star-News story from Feb 15, 2010, titled GOP bill aims to retool immigrant birthright citizenship. In it, Pasadena Star-News reports that:

Republican lawmakers in Congress are sponsoring a bill that seeks to abolish birthright citizenship for children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents.

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Warren

Los Angeles, CA

#1 Feb 16, 2010
"The would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify the interpretation of the 14th Amendment." It is about time we address this issue. People like Joe Baca shouldn't be allowed to hold office. Baca put his race in front of the best interest of our Country.
Shared Sacrifice

Boston, MA

#2 Feb 16, 2010
This type of proposal is consistent with many (perhaps most) European countries, not that I look to Europe as the benchmark for the U.S. However, if we continue pursuing European-type social policies and providing European-style entitlements, then we will be forced to limit the pool of eligible recipients.

"This bill is unconstitutional," said Rep. Joe Baca, D-San Bernardino. "It would change one of the most basic principles that our nation was founded on: If you were born in the United States, you're an American." ---The Congressman clearly has his U.S. history mixed up. The 14th Amendment was not part of the FOUNDING documents. The 14th Amendment was very important, though, in providing rights to descendents of slaves.

Back to this current proposal: Americans need to make a choice related to limited resources. Loosely granting citizenship becomes an economic problem. So we need to either reform entitlement eligbility or we need to reform citizenship requirments.

I like what the Rep. from Santa Clarita said: The current rules encourage illegal immigrants to have a child right away. Well, many illegal immigrants are often poor. Having a child is expensive. Starting a family while poor often creates many long-term financial challenges. We really need to reform these laws that encourage this type of decision making.
TYB STUCK IN CALI

Pasadena, CA

#3 Feb 16, 2010
I remember about 2-3 years ago KNBC had a series on how women from South Korea and Taiwan would pay to be flown into CA in the last trimester, give birth and then return to their home country, citizenship in hand. They did it to avoid their sons compulsary military service and also to give their kids a heads up in case life in the home country went south. Depending on the parts of the US, illegal immigrants from Eastern Europe also try the anchor baby method. No other country allows this -especailly not MEXICO! As a liberal Democrat I think the 14th Amendment should be looked at, as the writer could not have forseen what would happen....
Homeowner

Pasadena, CA

#4 Feb 16, 2010
It's sad that freeloading parents use this tactic to squat in the country.
silsal

Glendora, CA

#5 Feb 16, 2010
It's about time - stop the abuse of our system and protect children from being born out of wedlock and for the wrong reasons.
John

San Diego, CA

#7 Feb 16, 2010
I agree that you "cannot be subject to the jurisdiction thereof" (i.e. of being in the U.S. if you ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TO BEGIN WITH!). Pass the amended law, and let the Supreme Court deal with it in 5 years!
TEA

United States

#8 Feb 16, 2010
http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citize...

In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

Here is the proof children born to Illegal ALIENS are NOT U.S. citizens: "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens"<, there it is Illegal ALIENS. "It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States."

This was settled law in 1866!!!

Time to strip away U.S. birth certificates from children born to Illegal ALIENS and that includes all the ones already issued. Replace them with certificates of LIVE BIRTHS with the mothers home country as their citizenship.

This is proof positive that babies born to Illegal ALIENS are NOT U.S. citizens.
Jesus

El Monte, CA

#10 Feb 16, 2010
This needs to happen. We can't keep paying for anchor babies.
Jesus

El Monte, CA

#11 Feb 16, 2010
anchor babies

Since: Dec 08

Kerrville, TX

#13 Feb 16, 2010
.It will not happen until we can control our borders. It will not happen as long as there is the word amnesty. It will happen when we finally take back control of our government. It will happen when Political Correctness is extinct. It will happen when the liberal movement is proven to be the vector of moral leprosy which infects our country.
shooter

West Covina, CA

#15 Feb 16, 2010
Why is this bill being sponsors and proposed by GOP only now? Why not 30 years ago before Reagan gave amnesty to 4 millions illegal?
usa

West Covina, CA

#19 Feb 16, 2010
This is not enough. They should rewrite the law and deport all illegal Mexicans in the USA.
Gary Nelson

Yorba Linda, CA

#20 Feb 16, 2010
ALWAYS BAIT THE IMMIGRANTS. bUT LET'S NOT TAX TO INCREASE LEGITIMATE PREVENTION. jUST TARGET AND HURT TO GET A FEW MORE ANGRY TEA BAGGERS VOTES. THIS IS NOT A SOLUTION. JUST A POLITICAL SCAM....AS USUAL. A KNEE jerk REACTION.
SIGH

Santa Ana, CA

#21 Feb 16, 2010
Phew. My mail order bride wont be deported.
annoyed

United States

#23 Feb 16, 2010
I'm 25 and was born to parents who were illegal at the time (not from mexico, by the way). They're U.S. citizens now, but I guess because I was born to "aliens" my citizenship rights should be taken away right?
It's such a slap in the face to have things like this happen and the country reverts to past methods of discriminating against a people. I know economics is the issue - and it's understandable - but no matter how you want to spin it, it's completely racist.

It's really sad to see people fight to take away the citizenship of a 4 year old.
Junping Jim

Pasadena, CA

#24 Feb 16, 2010
With the Demorats in power, that will never happen. The illegal alien community is very much a part of their political base.
Steve

Baldwin Park, CA

#25 Feb 16, 2010
I'm impressed with the GOP. With all the scandals and set bakcs they've had, they still manage to pass bills. Democrat's should take notes.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#28 Feb 16, 2010
This bill well never pass its to stupid, whats next, well being brown be outlawed,god what's the world coming to,TO MANY HATE'RS!!!!!!!

“a good community is OUR job”

Since: Mar 09

Pasadena

#29 Feb 16, 2010
Shared Sacrifice wrote:
"This bill is unconstitutional," said Rep. Joe Baca, D-San Bernardino. "It would change one of the most basic principles that our nation was founded on: If you were born in the United States, you're an American." ---The Congressman clearly has his U.S. history mixed up. The 14th Amendment was not part of the FOUNDING documents..
Excellent catch!
annoyed wrote:
I'm 25 and was born to parents who were illegal at the time (not from mexico, by the way). They're U.S. citizens now, but I guess because I was born to "aliens" my citizenship rights should be taken away right?
It's such a slap in the face to have things like this happen and the country reverts to past methods of discriminating against a people. I know economics is the issue - and it's understandable - but no matter how you want to spin it, it's completely racist.
It's really sad to see people fight to take away the citizenship of a 4 year old.
Need to work on your reading comprehension skills. The bill would NOT be retroactive, ie if you are already a citizen, it would not be taken away.

But, let's take your case.. if it happened in the future after this bill passes. Your illegal parents have a baby (you). None of you would be legal. If later, your parents apply and are granted citizenship, you would be included. So, there really is no problem here.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#30 Feb 16, 2010
Junping Jim wrote:
With the Demorats in power, that will never happen. The illegal alien community is very much a part of their political base.
Exactly!

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