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Palos Verdes Estates, school district in fight over lot

There are 22 comments on the Daily Breeze story from Apr 18, 2010, titled Palos Verdes Estates, school district in fight over lot. In it, Daily Breeze reports that:

The Palos Verdes Peninsula School District is attempting to sell two lots of land to bring in cash to the district.

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DodgersFan

Shreveport, LA

#1 Apr 19, 2010
"The district is suing the city of Palos Verdes Estates and the Palos Verdes Homes Association for the right to overcome an old deed restriction that says only school facilities may be built there.

"We need to make the best use of our assets, wherever they are." "We will even consider a Walmart MiniCenter"
Rememberer

Redondo Beach, CA

#2 Apr 19, 2010
This happened in HB about 30 years ago. They sold off a school on Prospect for homes. I've heard they now wish they had land for school expansion. School Boards tend to be short sighted.
PV resident

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#3 Apr 19, 2010
I don't think the Board entered this lightly. They have re-opened sites for schools, know what they need. Would a parking lot really be better? Would sports fields with people parking all around the houses be better? Do they want people walking past their kitchen windows all weekend? Houses don't seem like a bad idea. Seems to be a win-win.
really

Torrance, CA

#4 Apr 19, 2010
Really, now. What's with every kid driving to school anyway? What ever happened to the school buses? Why are we teaching children that it is ok to be so energy and gas and time wasteful? parents could take turns being on the buses if they feel the kids need adult supervision at all times. I know buses are expensive, but not as expensive as a car for each kid and all the gas and all the parents time and gas taking them to and from school each day. The lunch hour exodus is also a problem with everyone trying to go to Subway or Starbucks at Golden Cove. Bring your lunch and stay on campus. Imagine the waste of gas and parking nightmares when Trader Joe's opens up.
Sandra

San Pedro, CA

#5 Apr 19, 2010
One side says the land was given to the schools for open space. The other says it was given to the schools for building school buildings. Which one is right? What do the original documents say?
RPV parent

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#6 Apr 19, 2010
DodgersFan wrote:
"The district is suing the city of Palos Verdes Estates and the Palos Verdes Homes Association for the right to overcome an old deed restriction that says only school facilities may be built there.
"We need to make the best use of our assets, wherever they are." "We will even consider a Walmart MiniCenter"
That's your moronic thinking and not that from anyone who actually lives in PV.
RPV parent

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#7 Apr 19, 2010
really wrote:
Really, now. What's with every kid driving to school anyway? What ever happened to the school buses? Why are we teaching children that it is ok to be so energy and gas and time wasteful? parents could take turns being on the buses if they feel the kids need adult supervision at all times. I know buses are expensive, but not as expensive as a car for each kid and all the gas and all the parents time and gas taking them to and from school each day. The lunch hour exodus is also a problem with everyone trying to go to Subway or Starbucks at Golden Cove. Bring your lunch and stay on campus. Imagine the waste of gas and parking nightmares when Trader Joe's opens up.
Even when I went to school in PV in the 70's there were no buses run by the school district. When my kids were younger they rode the PV Transit bus. The one who is in school now goes to PV high and we live on the other side of the hill so she has her own car. We would like her to take other kids but she's not old enough yet. The school has no authority to say who can and cannot drive. I think the idea of using this land as a parking lot is a good backup if they can't sell.
HomeIsPalosVerde s

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#8 Apr 19, 2010
Maybe the neighbors and those who object to the sale, could form a group to buy the land from the PVPUSD and keep it "parklike".
Yup

Redondo Beach, CA

#9 Apr 19, 2010
The deed said to use it for the schools or it returns to the homeowners. Pretty clear. It was in the PV News....the original language...

It was VERY clear that it couldn't be sold to raise money. I guess the Board figures it is debatable, so they will try.
Daniel

Santa Monica, CA

#10 Apr 19, 2010
And next up for consideration, sell Malaga Cove Intermediate School. You could stuff a whole bunch of homes in there. Think of the tax revenue! Jobs for the sinking economy!
The restrictions on the land use were imposed for a specific reason. The mindset of the current school board is that reason. This is a waste of money and effort.
LAUSD dropout

Palos Verdes Peninsula, CA

#11 Apr 19, 2010
In the end, the lawyers will be the only winners.
WestSideJesse

Glendale, CA

#12 Apr 19, 2010
I love how PV always has some kind of drama going on! Way too many people with too much money and time on their hands, always looking for something to complain about. When the big one hits, it will be nice to see that entire hill crumble quickly into the ocean and the drama will cease!
Anon For A Cause

Santa Monica, CA

#13 Apr 19, 2010
The reported new city attorney for PVE, Christi Hogin, has plenty of experience in ignoring deed restrictions and pushing forth for whatever the school district wants.
Malibu High School now has illegal night lights in complete violation of the Coastal Act restrictions. The recent contractual agreements - armored with deed restrictions - weren't even two years old before the school began to install illegal temporary lights paid for by a few parents. Now the fight is supposedly over in the town, as the city has Christi Hogin "massaging" the Local Coastal Plan to envelop the lights and the surrounding neighborhood is inflamed and divided.
Miraleste grad

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#14 Apr 19, 2010
Daniel wrote:
And next up for consideration, sell Malaga Cove Intermediate School. You could stuff a whole bunch of homes in there. Think of the tax revenue! Jobs for the sinking economy!
The restrictions on the land use were imposed for a specific reason. The mindset of the current school board is that reason. This is a waste of money and effort.
Obviously Daniel hasn't been to PV lately. The old Malaga Cove school was recently repaired to keep it from falling into the ocean. The reason this has gone to court is because the restrictions are seen as no longer being valid. With about $3mil to gain this isn't a waste of time.
RPV Resident

La Mirada, CA

#15 Apr 19, 2010
The school district doesn't have the money to maintain their lifestyle. So like true modern Americans, instead of reducing expectations, they pawn whatever they can get their hands on to maintain the status quo. After everything's pawned, then what? Sell blood? Hold bake sales?

The financial problems won't go away, and neither will the new houses covering what used to be beautiful open space. Once again, short-sighted thinking prevails.
LAUSD dropout

Palos Verdes Peninsula, CA

#16 Apr 19, 2010
WestSideJesse wrote:
I love how PV always has some kind of drama going on! Way too many people with too much money and time on their hands, always looking for something to complain about. When the big one hits, it will be nice to see that entire hill crumble quickly into the ocean and the drama will cease!
Guess you're the worst of the worst, too lazy even to steal. You just want someone else's nice things to wash up on shore for you. Keep dreaming scum-ball.
pvsupportr

Gardena, CA

#17 Apr 19, 2010
The action truly shows the lack of common sense on behalf of the District officials and the current Board. At a time when financial support of the community is desperately needed to maintain classroom programs, the idiots in charge decide they would rather spend the money donated by parents of children in the District on a lawsuit against the very community that donates instead of spending it in the classroom where it belongs. The PEF raises $2million every year to support the District and this lawsuit will alienate the donor base.
Perhaps the District and the Board need the money to decorate that "Taj Mahal" of a new board room they've built at Malaga Cove. Yes, we all understand that that money cannot be spent on classroom programs but why not spend it to improve school sites where children sit everyday in outdated classrooms. Start speaking up PV community...
IMO

Redondo Beach, CA

#18 Apr 19, 2010
Miraleste grad wrote:
<quoted text>
The reason this has gone to court is because the restrictions are seen as no longer being valid.
Oh, and who suddenly thinks "the restrictions are...no longer being valid?"

Not the people who deeded the land in the first place - they specifically worded it so that this WOULD NOT happen!
Lives in RPV

Los Angeles, CA

#19 Apr 20, 2010
In response to "pvsupportr"

In my opinion, the PEF led by its executive director Andrea Sala, already alienated many potential donors by supporting the $165 tax increase. They should have taken the position that they are encouraging community involvement rather than a compulsatory approach that comes with taxes. They should have stayed neutral. How many out there don't give to PEF because they feel they contribute enough through taxes?
Long Time Resident

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#20 Apr 20, 2010
If Ms. Ryan wants to keep the lot next to her house open so her kids can play on it, then she needs to ante up the dollars to buy the land herself. This is a lot that's only practical use is residential lots. If the District can sell and use the money for the 16 other schools and their building needs, that is reasonable and fiscally correct. Good for the Board to take on the fight.(all except Mr. Collatus that couldn't take the heat and recused himself)

Anyone else find it funny that the DB rounded up kids to stand on the empty lot for a picture trying to portray that it is actually used?

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