La Mirada drops International Baccala...

La Mirada drops International Baccalaureate program

There are 17 comments on the Pasadena Star-News story from May 4, 2008, titled La Mirada drops International Baccalaureate program. In it, Pasadena Star-News reports that:

Five years ago, La Mirada High officials established a new, prestigious International Baccalaureate program to help stop the "brain drain" of students going to other districts.

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New Hampshire

Manchester, NH

#1 May 5, 2008
This program is neither as prestigious nor rigorous as one might think. It has an agenda and they want the smartest kids to be influenced by this agenda.

There is no need to turn our kids over to the WORLD COURT under UNESCO.

Good to see this go.
ABC

Westminster, CA

#2 May 5, 2008
If a child was in the baccalaureate program at LM

They now have a valid reason to "escape" to another district that offers what they now "need."

Yeah, it will be tougher at Sunnyhills - but it is the child's future.
parent

Oxnard, CA

#3 May 5, 2008
Thats a good move on La Mirada's part. Just my opinion, but it seems that Universities look more at AP and Honors classes taken along with GPA rather than IB program grads. I know of some pissed off parents who's children went through the IB program with promises of UC admission only to find out that it really didn't deliver on its promise.
not good

Acton, CA

#4 May 7, 2008
just one more reason kids can go to FJUHSD! Not good. Troy, Sunnyhills, La Habra, Fullerton, Sonora, all will win. Good job LM..........NOT.
Yes but-

Norwalk, CA

#5 May 7, 2008
If students leave LMHS to go to FJUHSD because LM doesn't offer IB, the student must gain admissions to IB and participate in the program. While IB is a good program for some students I would think twice about putting my students in this program due to following reasons:
1. The state of CA does not recognize IB as well as other states. Students in a "standard level" IB class (which is an advanced course) don't gain any college credit for passing exams in that course. Colleges (UC and Cal State included) don't even recognize most IB SL courses for honors credit (GPA). Conversely, they do award college credits and honors GPA credit for all AP courses.
2. Students in the IB program have difficulty participating in yearbook, athletics, ASB, etc. if they are a full IB diploma candidate. IB mandates that all students in the IB diploma program complete advanced courses in six academic areas (math, science, history, literature, foreign language, fine arts) This is fine for some students who are primarily academics and very well-rounded but difficult for students who want a more balanced high school experience. Students who participate fully in the IB diploma program are generally very stressed and frequently experience burnout.
3. The prestige of IB (the idea that it is superior to AP) is not endorsed by IB nor by most universities (especially in California). This fallacy is socially imposed. I think you do your student a great disservice by pushing them into a very difficult and stressful IB program if the student is not motivated to participate in the program on their own.
One last thought: The top IB grad from LM last year who now attends USC stated in his graduation speech last June, "...and to my classmates who have stayed by my side in the bubble known as IB...we have survived..." Do you really want high school to be an experience that your student must survive?
I recommend that you check out what LMHS replaced the IB program with: www.lamiradahighschool.com "Matador Scholar Academy"
LM Parent

Whittier, CA

#6 May 7, 2008
Great post!! "Yes but-"...you have done your homework and know your stuff. Last years graduating class was the first class to start the IB program back 5 years ago...and I applaud LMHS for "going for it", but the numbers are dwindling in the enrollment for it and it is time to move on. I'm not sure of the numbers, but I believe there were about 80 +/- 2004 freshman signed up for IB and only a handful that completed it by graduation 2007. Anyway, I am very encouraged by the "Matador Scholar Academy" and really like the programs they are offering the student i.e. Apple, Ace Acadamy etc... I am hoping they will be offering a really good Science program of some sort now that they have completed the new Science building...I have an 8th grader coming in next year that enjoys science.
not good

Pasadena, CA

#7 May 7, 2008
But he is at USC!!! He made it and he will be ready for anything that comes his way.But my point is this I see kids here in La Mirada going all over (I wish I could find out the numbers) this is just one more reason.
LM Parent

Whittier, CA

#8 May 7, 2008
He would have gone to USC regardless of IB or not (just like his older brother did...who did not have IB, but AP/Honor classes). He is a smart kid, I know of other LM students that went or are going to big name Universities without the IB on their transcripts..."It can be done". I live in La Mirada and my children will go and are going to LMHS and I don't have a problem at all with that! They are doing great in academics and are involved in school activities.
ABC

Downey, CA

#9 May 8, 2008
THe Issue is FREEDOM. In public education students have little choice where they can go. Some local schools are the highest rated in the nation.

U.S. News and World Report Best High Schools 2008

Diamond Bar High
AP Pass Rate 82.0%

Rowland High
AP Pass Rate 73.6%

Whitney High
AP Pass Rate 89.8%

Long Beach Poly High
AP Pass Rate 71.9%

Lakewood High Bronze Level
Paramount High Bronze Level

Norwalk-La Mirada Unified School District Advanced Placement Pass Rates
LaMirada HIgh
AP Pass Rate 52%
192 attempted 99 passed

Norwalk High
AP Pass Rate 66%
148 attempted 97 passed

Glenn High
AP Pass Rate 74%
167 attempted 123 passed

Beginning in their junior year, the "smart matador" at La Mirada High School will take REAL college classes at Cypress/Cerritos/Fullerton Community College. Unlike high school AP they are taught by qualified college level instructors,(some high school teachers teach AP and do not even have a master's degree, at least one in the district is an "intern" without a real credential.)

Real college college classes take fewer hours, they run less than half a year and do not swing on a single test given in May. All you need is a "C." Many can be taken in summer session. Students receive college and high school credit simultaneously.

Economics
Art
U.S. History
Speech
Physics
Biology
Calculus
Health
English
Literature
Statistics
Spanish

It helps if you are on the championship (30 years of state recognition)La Mirada Forensic Team (Debate) because the school will throw up all sorts of arguments to help keep their own AP classes filled.

Students and Parents DO HAVE A CHOICE!
not good

Pasadena, CA

#10 May 8, 2008
What are the numbers for Troy,Sunny Hills,and other FJUHSD schools?
ABC

Long Beach, CA

#11 May 9, 2008
Why are some schools staffed with above 96% credentialed teachers and other schools staffed with friends and relatives?

PERCENTAGE of Fully Credentialed Teachers 2006-07

FULLERTON HIGH 100.0
WHITNEY HIGH 100.0
GAHR HIGH 100.0
LOS ALAMITOS HIGH 98.3
CERRITOS HIGH 97.8
BUENA PARK HIGH 97.6
TROY HIGH 97.1
SUNNY HILLS HIGH 96.9
LAKEWOOD HIGH 96.2



LA MIRADA HIGH 92.2
JOHN H. GLENN HIGH 86.1
NORWALK HIGH 84.7

http://data1.cde.ca.gov/dataquest/
I agree

San Francisco, CA

#12 May 9, 2008
ABC wrote:
Why are some schools staffed with above 96% credentialed teachers and other schools staffed with friends and relatives?
PERCENTAGE of Fully Credentialed Teachers 2006-07
FULLERTON HIGH 100.0
WHITNEY HIGH 100.0
GAHR HIGH 100.0
LOS ALAMITOS HIGH 98.3
CERRITOS HIGH 97.8
BUENA PARK HIGH 97.6
TROY HIGH 97.1
SUNNY HILLS HIGH 96.9
LAKEWOOD HIGH 96.2
LA MIRADA HIGH 92.2
JOHN H. GLENN HIGH 86.1
NORWALK HIGH 84.7
http://data1.cde.ca.gov/dataquest/
You get what you pay for...

Fullerton school ditrict teachers make alot more money than NLUSD teachers...
Anny Mouse

Long Beach, CA

#13 May 9, 2008
RE: You get what you pay for..

In which case we have WORLD CLASS administrators in the NLMUSD.
ABC

Long Beach, CA

#14 May 13, 2008
Yes Butt you sound like a school counselor.

Sunday's L.A. Times had a GREAT article. AP is becoming history.

Los Angeles Times OPINION
Bursting the AP bubble
By Tom Stanley-Becker
May 8, 2008
EXCERPTS

I'M AN AP DROPOUT. When classmates in my Advanced Placement U.S. history course take the AP exam Friday, I won't be with them. When they pick up their pencils and start filling in those little bubbles, I'll be reading the words of George Kennan, Lillian Hellman, Harry Truman and Paul Robeson --.

for a paper I'm writing on the Cold War.

In class, we cannot stray from the AP regimen. A few weeks ago, we were rushing through the 1960s with lightning speed.

In applying to college, my classmates are learning that many schools grant no AP credits at all -- even for a perfect exam score of 5 -- and others only for some subjects.

Instead of studying history, we study for the AP exam. And along the way, our education has come to resemble the production of Model Ts on Ford's assembly line, with the College Board cracking down by auditing AP syllabuses before allowing schools to put the official AP trademark on student transcripts.

So I became an AP dropout; and I'm not alone. According to Education Week, since 2006, more than 2,000 high schools across the country and around the world have dropped the AP curriculum to march to their own drummers.

Tom Stanley-Becker is a junior at the University of Chicago's University High School and an editor on his school paper, the Midway.
Snarkish

Panorama City, CA

#15 Mar 29, 2013
Perhaps Michelle Green and her twin-planet b-o-o-b-s are behind this. Since she's not the smartest person in the room (or the school), she'd rather not have subject material she cannot understand. It's surprising they've kept PE-- if you've seen her, you'd know she has no clue what exercise is. God bless her soul.
Snarkish ie twin-planet

Whittier, CA

#16 Mar 29, 2013
Snarkish wrote:
Perhaps Michelle Green and her twin-planet b-o-o-b-s are behind this. Since she's not the smartest person in the room (or the school), she'd rather not have subject material she cannot understand. It's surprising they've kept PE-- if you've seen her, you'd know she has no clue what exercise is. God bless her soul.
Really, you think that Michelle Green has something to do with LMHS dropping IB program. That was in 2008 that they ended it and wrote that article. I think you let your "twin-planet" fetish get in the way of thinking!
Curious

Los Angeles, CA

#17 Apr 1, 2013
ABC wrote:
Yes Butt you sound like a school counselor.
Sunday's L.A. Times had a GREAT article. AP is becoming history.
Los Angeles Times OPINION
Bursting the AP bubble
By Tom Stanley-Becker
May 8, 2008
EXCERPTS
I'M AN AP DROPOUT. When classmates in my Advanced Placement U.S. history course take the AP exam Friday, I won't be with them. When they pick up their pencils and start filling in those little bubbles, I'll be reading the words of George Kennan, Lillian Hellman, Harry Truman and Paul Robeson --.
for a paper I'm writing on the Cold War.
In class, we cannot stray from the AP regimen. A few weeks ago, we were rushing through the 1960s with lightning speed.
In applying to college, my classmates are learning that many schools grant no AP credits at all -- even for a perfect exam score of 5 -- and others only for some subjects.
Instead of studying history, we study for the AP exam. And along the way, our education has come to resemble the production of Model Ts on Ford's assembly line, with the College Board cracking down by auditing AP syllabuses before allowing schools to put the official AP trademark on student transcripts.
So I became an AP dropout; and I'm not alone. According to Education Week, since 2006, more than 2,000 high schools across the country and around the world have dropped the AP curriculum to march to their own drummers.
Tom Stanley-Becker is a junior at the University of Chicago's University High School and an editor on his school paper, the Midway.
So are kids at lm high stil taking ap courses ?

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