Forest fire fighters altruistic slaves?
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#21 Jul 2, 2013
Sounds like a bunch of listless white rich kids who don’t know who they are…need a badge of courage to know who they are.

And fire chiefs have the absolute power of tyrants
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#22 Jul 2, 2013
See, I think thunderstorms and erratic winds were very common around these Arizona forest fires.
So you back out and then evacuate everyone in the direction of the fire.
BLAME AL GOREs HOT AIR

Newton Center, MA

#23 Jul 2, 2013
"evacuate everyone in the direction of the fire."
-didn't really read the news did ewe?
they said the erratic winds suddenly shifted direction unexpectedly got stronger and blew the fire at them

"And fire chiefs have the absolute power of tyrants"
-they are govt. agents, is mikey now anti-govt.?
Joe Shlabotnik

Claremont, NH

#24 Jul 3, 2013
BLAME AL GOREs HOT AIR wrote:
is mikey now anti-govt.?
No. He just does not know what he is talking about.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#25 Jul 3, 2013
The problem is we got massive increases in wildfires, massive reductions in funding...we just don't have a coherent national strategy with forest fighting other than to provide dramatic feeds to the news media.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#26 Jul 3, 2013
Budget cuts trim federal wildfire spending
Posted: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 2:26 am | Updated: 4:45 am, Wed Jul 3, 2013.
Budget cuts trim federal wildfire spendingAssociated Press | 0 comments
This year's across-the-board budget cuts are slicing tens of millions of dollars from the federal government's funds for battling wildfires, reductions that have meant fewer firefighters and could cause agencies to dip into other programs designed to prevent future blazes.
The U.S. Forest Service's $2 billion-a-year firefighting budget, which comprises the bulk of the federal effort, has been reduced by 5 percent, a cut that has meant 500 fewer firefighters and 50 fewer fire engines than last year, agency officials say. The Interior Department's $37.5 million reduction has meant 100 fewer seasonal firefighter positions and other lost jobs as well, department officials say.
The reductions come as officials brace for a wildfire season they say might rival last year's, when about 9.3 million acres burned, one of the largest totals on record. The West in particular faces tinderbox conditions, which, combined with high winds, proved deadly last weekend when a wildfire killed 19 members of a firefighting crew outside Yarnell, Ariz.
"This reduces our capability and significantly constrains our work in fire response" and restoring land after fires, Interior Secretary Sally Jewell told the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee last month about the cuts.
So far, more than 22,000 wildfires have burned more than 1.5 million acres across the country, according to the government's National Interagency Coordination Center in Boise, Idaho, which helps oversee federal firefighting efforts.
Together, the Interior Department and the Agriculture Department, which includes the Forest Service, have around 13,000 firefighters.
The across-the-board budget cuts _ called the
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#27 Jul 3, 2013
sequester _ have affected most federal programs and are the product of a deficit-reduction stalemate between President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans. The budget reductions, which are scheduled to cut federal spending by $1.2 trillion over the coming decade, have forced many agencies to take steps, including putting thousands of workers on unpaid furloughs.
Congressional aides said that because of the sequester, the Fire Service's suppression fund _ which pays for overtime and other costs of fighting wildfires _ has been cut from $538 million this year to $510 million. The service was also facing a $50 million cut in its fire preparedness budget, the fund used to hire firefighters and buy equipment.
The Interior Department, whose firefighting budget was $832 million before the sequester, was saving money from its reduced hiring of seasonal firefighters.
Many are being hired for shorter periods to save money, Jewell testified. Including the seasonal firefighters, the department will have 250 fewer positions in its fire programs, officials said.
When faced with emergency expenses for fighting wildfires that drain their funds, both agencies would draw money from other accounts in their budgets. From 2002 to 2012, the Fire Service transferred $2.7 billion from other programs to pay for fighting fires,$2.3 billion of which Congress eventually restored. That "still led to disruptions within all Forest Service programs," Thomas Tidwell, chief of the Forest Service, told the Senate Energy panel last month.
Agency officials and environmental groups say such transfers can be harmful over time. For example, getting money to fight fires by taking it from programs for removing hazardous fuels from dry areas can make it likelier that future wildfires will occur.
"When we have emergencies burning, the U.S. government will continue to spend money on firefighting, even if they don't have the money," said Christopher Topik, director of the Restoring America's Forests project for The Nature Conservancy, the environmental group. "So then they'll take it out of these other kinds of accounts, which are the ones that actually reduce the risk. That's what will end up happening, and that's not a good policy."
Officials said the across-the-board cuts have had no direct impact on the 110 Hotshot crews around the country, the highly trained units based mostly in the West who respond to the worst wildfires. Most are financed and trained by the Fire Service and some by the Interior Department, but a handful _ like the Arizona crew whose members died _ are run locally.
"I don't know of any Hotshot crew that's been disbanded or not filled or been mothballed because of the sequester," said Tom Nichols, division chief for fire and aviation management of the National Park Service, a part of the Interior Department. "Because they really are our first line and our elite line for dealing with wildfires."
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#28 Jul 3, 2013
-they are govt. agents, is mikey now anti-govt?

I just calls um as I sees it.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#29 Jul 3, 2013
I bet ¾ of citizens of Prescott Arizona are escapes from the rigors of diversity…a town mythology based on escapism.

Intensified us versus them...
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#30 Jul 3, 2013
"We used to make fun when they said Hotshot crews because those were generally just contract crews, but we had the title. The federal government called on us. We had the attitude too,” he remembered."
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#31 Jul 3, 2013
Hey< my wages and medical sucks, but everyone thinks I am a hero?

"There is no questioning their courage, or of their degree of training. Like smoke jumpers, the interagency Hotshot crews see themselves as an elite fraternity (though more and more women are joining up). They pride themselves on their élan, their professionalism, their preparation, and their deep bond. They are prepared to travel around the country, spending weeks in the wilderness fighting fires, often without relief. When I spent some time with an Incident Management team last summer in Montana, I met teams of Hotshots who had come from as far away as Pennsylvania. Many of these young firefighters sign on for economic need -- a reality during a time of chronic high unemployment nationally -- but it will will barely pay the bills. Hotshots earn something like $13 an hour -- though their paychecks grow during the fire season.

But what were the Granite Mountain Hotshots defending? Certainly not the lives of citizens who had already been alerted and evacuated."
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#32 Jul 3, 2013
They were defending properties -- expensive suburban homes built in the urban-wilderness interface that are no more secure than homes built on stilts along the seashore at Cape Hatteras, NC.
Boogie

Bennington, VT

#33 Jul 5, 2013
Mike Mulligan wrote:
They were defending properties -- expensive suburban homes built in the urban-wilderness interface that are no more secure than homes built on stilts along the seashore at Cape Hatteras, NC.
How do you know they were "expensive"? Prescott is far from "urban".
Boogie

Bennington, VT

#34 Jul 5, 2013
Mike Mulligan wrote:
I bet ¾ of citizens of Prescott Arizona are escapes from the rigors of diversity…a town mythology based on escapism.
Intensified us versus them...
What evidence do you have of that?
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#35 Jul 5, 2013
Boogie wrote:
<quoted text>
What evidence do you have of that?
What impeachment evidence do you have to say I am inaccurate?

All fire team members were white and non female?
Boogie

Bennington, VT

#36 Jul 5, 2013
Mike Mulligan wrote:
<quoted text>
What impeachment evidence do you have to say I am inaccurate?
All fire team members were white and non female?
I don't know that I have to impeach you if you don't even provide any evidence that is meanigful but: I have been to Prescott and even investigated Prescott as a place to move to. It has a small town feel. Very nice. It is white but it is modern and got no sense whatsoever that it was bigoted. It felt very much like Brattleboro-Keene-Greenfield. Is Brattleboro bigotted?
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#37 Jul 5, 2013
If you don't got any evidence, keep your mouth shut?
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#38 Jul 5, 2013
I’ll bet the resulting fire damageto Prescott property was the result of the disruption with firefighting…to deal with all those dead bodies.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#39 Jul 6, 2013
Scott

Brattleboro, VT

#40 Jul 6, 2013
Mike Mulligan wrote:
If you don't got any evidence, keep your mouth shut?
Yup that would sum it up. If you have no evidence then your opinions have to be based on some sort of internal bias that you have. You would be better of not commenting than commenting without evidence to support your opinion and thereby exposing your mean spirit.

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