Truth reason knowledge

Sunapee, NH

#495 Jul 21, 2014
Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction: researchers
By Scott Kaufman July 18, 2014

"A study published in the July issue of Cognitive Science determined that children who are not exposed to religious stories are better able to tell that characters in “fantastical stories” are fictional — whereas children raised in a religious environment even “approach unfamiliar, fantastical stories flexibly.”

In “Judgments About Fact and Fiction by Children From Religious and Nonreligious Backgrounds,” Kathleen Corriveau, Eva Chen, and Paul Harris demonstrate that children typically have a “sensitivity to the implausible or magical elements in a narrative,” and can determine whether the characters in the narrative are real or fictional by references to fantastical elements within the narrative, such as “invisible sails” or “a sword that protects you from danger every time.”

However, children raised in households in which religious narratives are frequently encountered do not treat those narratives with the same skepticism. The authors believed that these children would “think of them as akin to fairy tales,” judging “the events described in them as implausible or magical and conclude that the protagonists in such narratives are only pretend.”

And yet,“this prediction is likely to be wrong,” because “with appropriate testimony from adults” in religious households, children “will conceive of the protagonist in such narratives as a real person — even if the narrative includes impossible events.”

The researchers took 66 children between the ages of five and six and asked them questions about stories — some of which were drawn from fairy tales, others from the Old Testament — in order to determine whether the children believed the characters in them were real or fictional.

“Children with exposure to religion — via church attendance, parochial schooling, or both — judged [characters in religious stories] to be real,” the authors wrote.“By contrast, children with no such exposure judged them to be pretend,” just as they had the characters in fairy tales. But children with exposure to religion judged many characters in fantastical, but not explicitly religious stories, to also be real — the equivalent of being incapable of differentiating between Mark Twain’s character Tom Sawyer and an account of George Washington’s life.

This conclusion contradicts previous studies in which children were said to be “born believers,” i.e. that they possessed “a natural credulity toward extraordinary beings with superhuman powers. Indeed, secular children responded to religious stories in much the same way as they responded to fantastical stories — they judged the protagonist to be pretend.”

The researchers also determined that “religious teaching, especially exposure to miracle stories, leads children to a more generic receptivity toward the impossible, that is, a more wide-ranging acceptance that the impossible can happen in defiance of ordinary causal relations.”"
Cant Reason w Truthphobes

Rutland, VT

#498 Jul 23, 2014
a 'scientific' study with only 66 kids, and done by godless biased libscum, to 'prove' what?

And if it turns out that the libtwit's kid doesn't beLIEve the twisted garbage shoveled at them by the libs, like the 'Global Warming' AlGore-ythms, a fiction that's being debunked more every year as the planet is COOLING more and more due to the solar minimum that has begun, Or their kid doesn't beLIEve that the garbage that preborn babies are mere 'fetuses' with no rights, Or if the kid starts thinking on their own about politics and the Constitution and rights and comes to the conclusion (as our nation's founders did) that democracy is mob rule and NFG and that rights come from God and 'Healthcare' or Any welfare is Not one of them, etc. etc.-- then the lib parents send their kid to the Marxist Re-Education Camp to be brainwashed properly by lib mind-control experts.
'Diversity' is just another BS term thrown around by the flaming hypocrite lib sheeple, they don't Really want there to be a diversity of viewpoints especially when it comes to religious and political views, only their own twisted propAgenda must be instilled in the minds of the young
In light of a newly uncovered U.S. Army document that outlines plans for prisoners, including U.S. citizens, to be re-educated in detention camps, it’s worth reminding ourselves of the fact that Barack Obama’s political mentor, Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers, once called for precisely the same thing. ...
AbortionStops BeatinHeart

Rutland, VT

#501 Jul 23, 2014
Abortion Protesters Interrupt Church Service, Tell Pro-Choice Worshippers To ‘Repent’
(-They use the term the term "anti-choice" for pro-lifers, the preborn baby to them is just a mere 'fetus' with no God-given rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Note that it's from 'ThinkProgress' which is another extreme leftist group funded by Nazi collaborator and CFR member globalist billionaire George Soros)


Mayor’s office issues certificate recognizing abortion protest group for “service” to New Orleans
New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu issued an official welcome this week to Operation Save America, an anti-abortion organization that interrupted an Uptown church’s prayer service with its protests on Sunday and had plans to parade the alleged remains of a fetus around Jackson Square in the French Quarter.
Xtians vs Xtians

Port Huron, MI

#502 Jul 24, 2014
Abortion Protesters Interrupt Church Service, Tell Pro-Choice Worshippers To ‘Repent’
God botherers bothering other God botherers. Priceless.

"Boy, I've never seen an issue so divisive. It's like a civil war, isn't it? Even amongst my friends, who are all very intelligent; they're totally divided on abortion. It's unbelievable. Some of my friends, for instance, think these pro-life people are annoying idiots. Other of my friends think these pro-life people … are evil 'ph'ucks. How are we going to come to a consensus? You ought to hear the arguments around my house:'They're annoying, they're idiots.''They're evil, they're 'ph'ucks!' Brothers, sisters, come together! Can't we once just join hands and think of them as evil-annoying-idiot-'ph'ucks? I beseech you. But that's me." - Bill Hicks, comedian
GSoros Had Plane ShotDown

Rutland, VT

#503 Jul 24, 2014
but sueQ, the 'other God botherers' are apostate hypocrite God's Word-Hating & blaspheming dogs who support the death of the preborn and having it paid for with tax $$-- They certainly deserve the rebuking they get from the righteously pious Real Christians
What 'bothers' God is how He gave everyone a heart to care but ewe sheeple have hardened cold hearts that turn away from the truth

BTW, anyone with a clue knows that 'the late' Bill Hicks is really Alex Jones
I hear Richard Dawkins is really Emma Watson with makeup-

Fact: Bob Marley’s “I Shot The Sheriff” is about birth control. Bob Marley didn’t want his girlfriend to take birth control pills. The doctor who prescribed the pills was the sheriff.
Passing Through

Port Huron, MI

#504 Jul 25, 2014
BTW, anyone with a clue knows that 'the late' Bill Hicks is really Alex Jones
"And since Alex Jones is lying..."

Big surprise!

No wonder you get so many Nuts and Clueless.

Sunapee, NH

#505 Jul 25, 2014
Right-Wing Christians Tell Kids 'Convert or Go to Hell,' Then Accuse Liberals of Indoctrinating Christian Kids
Amanda Marcotte July 23, 2014

"For the masochists among us who tune into right-wing media, you soon learn that the all-time favorite fear pundits and preachers love to trot out is that “they” are coming for your children.

Whether it’s liberal college professors supposedly turning kids to Marxism or gay people who are accused of recruiting, over and over you hear the claim that the children of conservatives are in serious danger of being talked into everything from voting for Democrats to getting gay-married.

It’s a peculiar thing to obsess over, and not just because it suggests conservatives have an unhealthy unwillingness to allow their children to grow up and think for themselves. It’s because the imagined conspiracies of liberals trying to “indoctrinate” kids are total phantoms. A little digging shows that accusations of indoctrination are usually aimed at attempts to educate or simply offer support and acceptance. While there are always a few rigid ideologues who are out to recruit, by and large liberals are, well, liberal: More interested in arguing and engaging than trying to mold young people into unthinking automatons.

But I think I know where conservatives get the idea that other people are sneaking around trying to indoctrinate children into unthinking ideologies. It’s because they themselves are totally guilty of it, both in terms of trying to recruit other people’s children and trying to frighten their own children about the dangers of exploring thoughts outside of the ones approved by their own rigid ideologies.

Parents in Portland, Oregon were alarmed to hear that a group calling itself the Child Evangelism Fellowship's Good News Club has been targeting children as young as five for conversion to their form of Christianity. The group pretends to be similar to more liberal and open-minded groups, claiming they are just trying to teach their beliefs but aren’t trying to be coercive. However, it’s hard to believe, in no small part because they admit they run around scaring children by telling them they are “sinners” who are hellbound unless they convert and start trying to convert others.

One mother, Mia Marceau, told the Associated Press about her 8-year-old son’s encounter with the group.“Within a few hours, however, she didn't like what the group was telling her 8-year-old son and his friends: They were headed to hell, needed to convert their friends and were duty-bound to raise money for the organization.” Those kinds of tactics aren’t about encouraging free discourse, but about creating a cult-like mentality that discourages questions and free thought.

Accusing liberals of “indoctrination” of children does serve one very valuable purpose for conservatives: It gives them cover to launch initiatives to actually indoctrinate children into rigidly Christian or right-wing views." ...

read the rest:
GlobalClimateSca m dot Com

Rutland, VT

#506 Jul 26, 2014
Passing Through wrote:
<quoted text>
"And since Alex Jones is lying..."
Big surprise!
No wonder you get so many Nuts and Clueless.
tell us exactly what did Jones lie about?
btw, I don't really think AJ is BH, I posted that as sarcasm to show how anti-truthers will spread total BS like that to distract from the Truths that matter

"The Truth is 'hate' to those who hate the Truth"
(sheeple just can't deal with it)

Port Huron, MI

#507 Jul 26, 2014
<quoted text>

"The Truth is 'hate' to those who hate the Truth"
Let me hand you a mirror.

Port Huron, MI

#508 Jul 26, 2014
And hold it up to your "truth".
Infowars dot Com

Newton Center, MA

#509 Jul 27, 2014
yeah that's why ewe can't deal with it, too busy rolling on the floor (what nuts in need of ECT do)
I see ewe can't back up ewe're claim as I asked, so ewe just puke up More BS
The World Is Doomed By Western Insouciance
(another great article by Paul Craig Roberts)
European governments and the Western media have put the world at risk by enabling Washington’s propaganda and aggression against Russia. Washington has succeeded in using transparent lies to demonize Russia as a dangerous aggressive country led by a new Hitler or a new Stalin, just as Washington succeeded in demonizing Saddam Hussein in Iraq, the Taliban in Afghanistan, Qaddafi in Libya, Assad in Syria, Chavez in Venezuela, and, of course, Iran.
The real demons–Clinton, Bush, Obama–are “the exceptional and indispensable people” above the reach of demonization. Their horrific real crimes go unnoticed, while fictitious crimes are attributed to the unexceptional and dispensable people and countries.
Obama Calls For Collectivized New World Order
During a fundraiser in Seattle this week, President Barack Obama called for a “new order” based around a collectivized system in order to quell people’s concerns about geopolitical strife and the economy.
[collectivism is the dictionary definition of socialism. Obama admits on page 100 of his own book that he preferred to hang around with the Marxist extremist professors at the schools he went to. Marx is defined as the world's most infamous socialist extremist (communist)]

Port Huron, MI

#510 Jul 27, 2014
Com wrote:
yeah that's why ewe can't deal with it, too busy rolling on the floor (what nuts in need of ECT do)
Google "alex jones lies"

Do you get a kickback from a psych hospital when you suggest ECT to everyone that doesn't see things your way?
TheDailySheeple dot Com

Newton Center, MA

#511 Jul 27, 2014
yup, same as last time ewe pulled the same sh't, ewe couldn't back up the BS with any particular facts but only linked to More BS from ewe're fellow truthphobic internet kooks
According to Ewe in #504 post, the ones Here with the most disparaging 'judge' icons on their posts are liars-gee, how scientific!
Like I asked ewe B4- Try going to Alex's site and point out exactly how any news articles there are lying
25 Recent Events Causing WW3 They Want You To Forget
Activist Post (which Infowars sometimes links to)

Sunapee, NH

#512 Jul 27, 2014
INR4 (Kamloops May, 2014) Jerry Coyne

" Published on Jun 15, 2014

Jerry DeWitt at Imagine No Religion 4, Kamloops BC, May 2014
Topic: Science & Religion are NOT Compatible"

Port Huron, MI

#513 Jul 27, 2014
dot Com wrote:
yup, same as last time ewe pulled the same sh't, ewe couldn't back up the BS with any particular facts but only linked to More BSl
It was a link to a Google search. Get a clue and some help for your obsession with AJ. ECT perhaps?

"A Circular Conversation happens when both parties have opposing positions on an issue, dig in, and reiterate the merits of their position ad nauseum. It doesn’t end with resolution, it ends either with one or both people giving up from sheer exhaustion."

Sunapee, NH

#514 Jul 28, 2014
Quotes, I think that perhaps the Dunning-Kruger effect explains this crank's behavior more accurately:

..."Justin Kruger & David Dunning.
Unskilled and unaware of It: how difficulties in recognizing one's own incompetence lead to inflated self-assessments. "...
Cog Diss Much Huh

Newton Center, MA

#515 Jul 28, 2014
still waiting to see any Truth, Reasoning or Knowledge here (other than that which I've posted)
same with sueQ's other one, the paranoiac Christian 'Plot' thread here- no proof of any such sinister plot has been given after 1,300 posts in it!

hey Q- this is the kinda sh't ewe love and f*ing agree with right?!-
MSNBC Host Compares Illegal Immigration Opponents to Race Segregation Advocates
Melissa Harris-Perry exemplifies network's plummeting ratings
During a segment on her Saturday show, the host likened Texas Governor Rick Perry’s decision to send National Guard troops to the border to Arkansas Governor Orval Faubas’ move to use Guard troops to prevent black children from attending Little Rock Central High School, which was racially segregated, in 1957.
U.S.‘News’ Media Propagandize for War Against Russia
The whole system is rigged to lie.
Israel - Founded By And Living On Terror
By Rev. Ted Pike

Port Huron, MI

#516 Jul 28, 2014
Cog Diss Much Huh wrote:
No one posts the truth but you?


Someone could post that humans breathe oxygen and you'd have an AJ page saying we don't.

You're hopeless.

Chester, VT

#517 Jul 28, 2014
Best of Christopher Hitchens Part 8

&fe ature=share
Ewe Cant Handle The Truth

Newton Center, MA

#518 Jul 29, 2014
<quoted text>
No one posts the truth but you?
Someone could post that humans breathe oxygen and you'd have an AJ page saying we don't.
never said no one else here has truth
in fact just recently I said this Vern here has some truth
I recall even psycho sueQ posting some truth in the past, about nukes/radiation danger
she hates it when her fellow atheists like Bill Maher tell truth about vaccine dangers or the or about abortion being murder etc.

and ewe hate certain truths - admit it
speakin of oxygen and AJ, I googled and found...
Federal government used premature babies in ‘oxygen’ study
Their fate in the study may as well have rested with the flip of a coin
June 2014

'Climate science' is an oxymoron.
Time for Zero Tolerance of Green agendas

There is No Such Thing as a Safe Vaccine and there Never Will Be
"the very nature of our immune systems and what vaccinations do to artificially stimulate immunity makes safe vaccinating an oxymoron."
at today->
Daily Beast Labels Alex Jones “Moon Landing Denier”
Media outlet uses guilt by association in an effort to smear Rand Paul

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