Truth reason knowledge

Grantham, NH

#451 Mar 20, 2014
Creationist Claims That Scientists ‘Don’t Know Much About Evolution’ and Simply Accept it on Faith
March 19, 2014 By Hemant Mehta

"Creationist Jay Seegert of the Creation Education Center appeared on Creation Today to talk about Creationism.(Got all that?)

His revelation may take some of you by surprise: Apparently, scientists don’t really understand evolution. They just assume other scientists do understand it and therefore take evolution on faith.

"Well, it’s interesting, because most biologists aren’t even aware of these things. Most scientists certainly aren’t; they’re not even studying evolution. They’re making rocket fuel, fast computers. They’re curing diseases. They’re doing great things, but they don’t know much about evolution. They just assume that there are Ph.D. scientists out there who have studied it and proven it, and it’s good enough for them. So they have faith in those other scientists. And even many of the scientists who are studying evolution haven’t gotten to this level. They’re not that aware of these details."

By the way,“these details” that Ph.Ds are supposedly unaware of include things like DNA encryption and splicing… things biology students learn during their undergrad years. Information that’s hardly at a “level” too far out of reach for anyone in the field.

But back to Seegert’s main argument. Yes, there are many, many scientists researching aspects of evolution. Cell biologists and anthropologists and paleontologists (to name a few) are all scientists who understand and study evolution regularly. Those fields rely on our understanding of the theory of evolution to do their work. I would bet good money that a random graduate student working in a laboratory knows far more about evolution than Seeger does.

Reader Kevin added via email:

"I have a PhD in microbiology… and am working in a yeast genetics lab now studying evolution as it pertains to biofuel development…"

A geneticist, Seth, also added:

"Most topics people study in biochemistry and biology take evolution as a factual foundation, even if it is not their focus. The entire concept of model organisms, using things like worms, flies, yeast, or mice to learn about our own species is absurd in a reality where they were independently created. But accept that humans shared a common ancestor with a fruit fly some 900 million years ago and you find that you can use it to study human genes involved in Parkinson’s disease.

I doubt it is possible to get through any grad program without seeing at least one talk or lecture with Dobzhansky’s essay title presented as a quotation (“Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution“). It is absolutely the case.""...

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Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#452 Mar 20, 2014
I could throw Up.
I agree

Grantham, NH

#453 Mar 20, 2014
Mike Mulligan wrote:
I could throw Up.
The sheer ignorance makes me nausious as well

Grantham, NH

#454 Mar 23, 2014
SecularityUSA: Let's restore secular government. by 2016

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Grantham, NH

#455 Mar 23, 2014
Neil deGrasse Tyson Shows Why Small-Minded Religious Fundamentalists Are Threatened by Wonders of Universe
Adam Lee March 20, 2014

"The new Cosmos TV series airing on Fox is a worthy reboot of Carl Sagan's original. Following in Sagan's footsteps, host Neil deGrasse Tyson takes viewers on a voyage through the outer reaches of the solar system and beyond, showing how our sun is just one star out of a hundred billion in the majestic spiral of the Milky Way galaxy, and even the Milky Way itself is a speck in the observable universe. As in the original series, he compresses the history of the universe into a single year, showing that on that scale, the human species emerges only in the last few seconds before midnight on December 31.

Sagan's Cosmos was due for an update, and not just because our computer graphics are better. Since the original series aired, we've sent robotic rovers to Mars, sampling its rocks and exploring its history. We've detected hundreds of alien planets outside the solar system, finding them by the slight gravitational wobble they cause in their home stars, or by the brief dips in light as they pass across the star's face as seen from Earth. We've found the Higgs boson, the elusive and long-theorized particle that endows everything else with mass. We've discovered that the expansion of the Universe which began with the Big Bang is accelerating, driven by a mysterious force called dark energy. All these scientific advances deserve to be recognized and celebrated.

The story of Cosmos is also the story of human beings. For the vast majority of our history as a species, we were wanderers, small hunter-gatherer bands. Civilization is a recent innovation, arising within the last few thousand years, and science is more recent still, appearing only in the last few hundred. But in just those few short centuries, we've made dramatic strides, from wooden sailing ships to space shuttles, bloodletting to bionic limbs, quill pens to the Internet. We've drawn back the curtain on ancient mythologies and glimpsed the true immensity of time and space. Compared to that vastness, we're unimaginably small and insignificant; yet we possess an intelligence and a power of understanding that, as far as we still know, is unique among all the countless worlds. As Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."

However, not everyone accepts this as a positive development. There have always been those who prefer a small, comprehensible cosmos, with human beings placed firmly at the center. The religious belief systems that posit such a universe were our first, fumbling attempts to explain the origin of the world, and they rarely share power gladly. Those who clash against conventional wisdom, who dare to suggest that the cosmos holds wonders undreamed of in conventional mythology, have always found themselves in grave peril from the gatekeepers of dogma who presume to dictate the thoughts human beings should be permitted to think."...

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Gott mit uns

Grantham, NH

#456 Mar 24, 2014
Creationists to Neil deGrasse Tyson: Evolution isn’t scientific, but the Book of Genesis is
Travis Gettys March 24, 2014

"Creationist Ray Comfort complained that Neil deGrasse Tyson had misrepresented the Bible.

The astrophysicist and host of Fox’s “Cosmos” said recently that using the Bible as a scientific source was problematic, because no one had ever scientifically proven a theory based on scripture.

Comfort said last week on his online “Comfort Zone” program that Tyson wasn’t qualified to make that determination because he’s not a theologian.

“You know, the word ‘science,’ it’s kind of a magical word,” Comfort said.“‘I believe in science.’ It just means knowledge, that’s all it means. There’s different areas of science, different areas of knowledge. When you say the Bible is not a science book, you’re saying it’s not a knowledge book? It tells us how God created the Earth!”

Knowledge, of course, is not quite all that defines science, which is characterized by systematic methods of observation in pursuit of new understanding.

But Comfort insisted the Bible was a science book because it described the origins of the universe.

“It gives us the basis for all creation, and it passes the scientific method,” he said.“It’s observable – Genesis – and testable. Evolution is not. You can’t observe something 60 million years old, but you can observe what Genesis says.”

For example, Comfort argued, the Book of Genesis mentions that animals reproduce other animals like themselves, and that can be observed on the fossil record.

“The Bible isn’t written as a science book, but it has scientific facts in it that can be relied upon, unchanging scientific facts,” he said.“It’s God’s word.”

Comfort’s guest, creationist fundraiser Alan Pearson, said Tyson’s comments revealed a flaw in scientific thinking.

“This is a reboot of the PBS series in the ‘70s with Carl Sagan, who said the cosmos is all that ever was and all that ever will be, which is ironic, because that is not a statement that can be proven in fact,” said Pearson, who directs fundraising for Comfort’s ministry.“That is a faith-based statement, if you will. So it’s kind of ironic, this whole thing being rebooted as it is.”

Comfort agreed that Tyson, like Sagan, seems like a nice fellow.

“Horrible statements come from nice guys,” Comfort said.“I mean, he’s just downgraded the word of God as just, you can’t trust it,[but] you can throw yourself blindfolded without reserve into the promises of God. You can trust the Bible. It’s God’s word.”"

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Grantham, NH

#457 Mar 24, 2014
Joe Biden Calls On Congress To Pass Gay Rights Bill:'The Country's Moved On'

"Vice President Joe Biden called on Congress Saturday to pass a measure to outlaw workplace discrimination against gays, saying it's outrageous that the country is even debating the subject.

Speaking to supporters of the gay advocacy group Human Rights Campaign on Saturday, Biden said it's "close to barbaric" that in some states, employees can be fired because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.

"Imagine 20 years from now as America looked back and say 'How in the hell can that ever been allowed?' The country's moved on, the American people have moved on," he said.

He said it was time for Congress to pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act — known as ENDA — which would bar employers with 15 or more workers from using a person's sexual orientation or gender identity as the basis for making employment decisions, including hiring, firing, compensation or promotion. Religious institutions and the military would be exempted."...

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Grantham, NH

#458 Mar 29, 2014
Steven Pinker and Rebecca Newberger Goldstein: The long reach of reason
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Published on Mar 17, 2014

"Here's a TED first: an animated Socratic dialog! In a time when irrationality seems to rule both politics and culture, has reasoned thinking finally lost its power? Watch as psychologist Steven Pinker is gradually, brilliantly persuaded by philosopher Rebecca Newberger Goldstein that reason is actually the key driver of human moral progress, even if its effect sometimes takes generations to unfold. The dialog was recorded live at TED, and animated, in incredible, often hilarious, detail by Cognitive.

TEDTalks is a daily video podcast of the best talks and performances from the TED Conference, where the world's leading thinkers and doers give the talk of their lives in 18 minutes (or less). Look for talks on Technology, Entertainment and Design -- plus science, business, global issues, the arts and much more."

Grantham, NH

#459 Mar 30, 2014
Flawed religious logic:

Kissing Hank's A55


Grantham, NH

#460 Mar 30, 2014
Autism 'begins long before birth'
Helen Briggs 26 March 2014

"Scientists say they have new evidence that autism begins in the womb.

Patchy changes in the developing brain long before birth may cause symptoms of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), research suggests.

The study, in the New England Journal of Medicine raises hopes that better understanding of the brain may improve the lives of children with autism.

It reinforces the need for early identification and treatment, says a University of California team.

US scientists analysed post-mortem brain tissue of 22 children with and without autism, all between two and 15 years of age.

They used genetic markers to look at how the outermost part of the brain, the cortex, wired up and formed layers.

Abnormalities were found in 90% of the children with autism compared with only about 10% of children without.

The changes were dotted about in brain regions involved in social and emotional communication, and language, long before birth, they say.

The researchers, from the University of California, San Diego and the Allen Institute for Brain Science in Seattle, say their patchy nature may explain why some toddlers with autism show signs of improvement if treated early enough."...

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Grantham, NH

#461 Mar 31, 2014
This Week in Science
NaturalNews dot Com

Rutland, VT

#462 Mar 31, 2014
2 Studies Show Inflammation in Pregnancy Linked to Autism and Vaccines
Flu shots during pregnancy lead to 4,250 percent increase in fetal deaths
Shocking Stories From Pregnant Women Who Have Had Miscarriages After Taking The Swine Flu Vaccine

22 Medical Studies That Show Vaccines Can Cause Autism
"Therefore, unless an expecting mom is about to enter a high risk area (like remote parts of Asia or Africa), getting a vaccine while pregnant or breastfeeding should be avoided."
Prevent-Autism dot org
12 Signs That Something Big Is Happening To The Earth’s Crust Under North And South America

Grantham, NH

#463 Mar 31, 2014
NaturalNews dot Com wrote:
2 Studies Show Inflammation in Pregnancy Linked to Autism and Vaccines
Flu shots during pregnancy lead to 4,250 percent increase in fetal deaths
Shocking Stories From Pregnant Women Who Have Had Miscarriages After Taking The Swine Flu Vaccine
22 Medical Studies That Show Vaccines Can Cause Autism
"Therefore, unless an expecting mom is about to enter a high risk area (like remote parts of Asia or Africa), getting a vaccine while pregnant or breastfeeding should be avoided."
Prevent-Autism dot org
12 Signs That Something Big Is Happening To The Earth’s Crust Under North And South America
People who spread these lies have the blood of countless dead children on their hands who needlessly die from preventable disease.

Rutland, VT

#464 Apr 1, 2014
psycho susieQ, it's the same with vaccines as it is with guns,
as in, there's no 'debate' as to whether or not have more 'gun control', certainly not to the point where it's no longer an enumerated Constitutional (2nd Amendment) Right and people 'have to' give up their firearms,
NOR is there a debate on whether to mandate vaccines on people
Either one comes down to the same simple rule ewe'all need to understand...
Come to take our guns, and we give them bullets first.
Come near us or our kids with any vaccinations, and we shove them up ewe're arse sideways.
"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God" was a motto suggested by Ben Franklin for the Great Seal of the United States, but never used.
Thomas Jefferson liked the motto "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" so much, he used it on his personal seal
Should Christians Obey Criminal Government?
Some Obama Supporters Still Think It’s “Racist” to Oppose Obamacare
Criticism has nothing to do with Affordable Health Act being a train wreck
Truth reason knowledge

Grantham, NH

#465 Apr 1, 2014
The House of Representatives Committee on Science is turning into a national embarrassment
Ashutosh Jogalekar March 31, 2014

"A few days back I wrote a post explaining why I am all for private support of basic science, especially in an age when government funding and support is flagging. My feelings were simply reinforced when I came across this news piece documenting the shameful behavior of Republican members of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology in denying climate change and harassing John Holdren, President Obama’s science advisor.

The debacle was part of a hearing in which the members were supposed to discuss the upcoming 2015 budget with Holdren. Instead the proceedings turned into a mixture of hostile heckling and insulting sarcasm. This was black comedy that would have been mildly humorous had it not been real. The Republican members of the committee made it clear that not only do they lack the slightest interest in addressing climate change but they are about as ignorant about the nuances of science as a stone. Leading the charge was Texas congressman Randy Weber:

" Several members, for example, appeared to be trying to mock rather than engage Holdren on climate change.“I may want to get your cellphone number, Dr. Holdren,” said Representative Randy Weber (R–TX),“because, if we go through another few cycles of global warming and cooling, I may need to ask you when I should buy my long coat on sale.”

Weber, a freshman from the Galveston area, began his interrogation by asking Holdren whether “when you guys do your research, you start with a scientific postulate or theory and work forward from that? Is that right?” Holdren gamely played along, explaining that “it depends on the type of science, but the notion of posing a hypothesis and then trying to determine whether it is right is one of the tried and true approaches in science, yes.”

But Weber’s question was really just a setup for his concluding statement.“I just don’t know how you all prove those theories going back 50 or 100,000 or even millions of years,” Weber said."

Perhaps Weber also wants to discount theories in astronomy, cosmology and paleontology? After all even those theories are based on evidence going back millions of years. I don’t know Weber’s views on evolution but I would be hardly surprised if he turns out to be in favor of “teaching the controversy”.

The farce continued with another Republican member trotting out the tired old examples of global cooling and dinosaurs:

“I remember in the ’70s, that [cooling] was the threat, the fear,” Posey recalled. Then he pivoted.“I’ve read that during the period of the dinosaurs, that the Earth’s temperature was 30° warmer. Does that seem fathomable to you?”

From the described exchange it seems that the members have zero interest in knowing the truth or understanding how science works. Sadly this rancor, ignorance and lack of respect for science and scientists is business as usual for Republican members of the House committee. After all, the subcommittee responsible for climate change is, quite appropriately enough, led by a climate change denier (this literally sounds like something out of Orwell). 17 out of 22 members of the larger committee either deny that climate change is happening or question that human activities are responsible for it; the chairman of the committee himself is skeptical about global warming."...
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Grantham, NH

#466 Apr 1, 2014
continued from:

..."And of course, let’s not forget committee member Paul Broun who thinks evolution is a “lie from the pit of hell”.

No wonder that scientists like me find it refreshing when we hear about billionaires appreciating and funding basic research. Pretty much all politicians in this country seem to have lost respect not just for the findings of science but for the basic nature of the scientific method, but let’s be clear: one party disproportionately more than the other is holding science back. It’s a little surreal to see people like Weber, Broun and Smith on the science committee but such is the age we live in. Nonetheless, the prevarications, ignorance and feet-dragging in that party reflect poorly on the entire political establishment. When none other than the House Committee on Science is stacked with people who literally live in the Middle Ages in their ignorance of science, hearing a kind word about science coming from any direction is a breath of fresh air."

Grantham, NH

#467 Apr 1, 2014
Neil deGrasse Tyson Blasts Creationism In New 'Cosmos' Episode (VIDEO)

"Just days after creationist groups complained their views had been excluded from Neil deGrasse Tyson's "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey," it seems they finally got some airtime on the show. But they might not be too pleased with how it all went down.

In the episode, entitled "A Sky Full of Ghosts," Tyson uses the example of the Crab Nebula, which is about 6,500 light years away from Earth, to debunk this creationist belief. As he explains, we can see the light of celestial beings much, much further away than the Crab Nebula, which proves that our universe is much older than a few thousand years.

"If the universe were only 6,500 years old, how could we see the light from anything more distant than the Crab Nebula?" Tyson asks during the episode. "We couldn’t. There wouldn’t have been enough time for the light to get to Earth from anywhere farther away than 6,500 light years in any direction. That’s just enough time for light to travel a tiny portion of our Milky Way galaxy."

Scientific evidence indicates that the universe is actually about 13.8 billion years old.

Tyson's comments may have been a bit out of character for the celebrated astrophysicist. In a March interview with The Huffington Post, Tyson said he typically doesn't make it his business to correct people's scientific misconceptions.

"As an educator, I try to get people to be fundamentally curious and to question ideas that they might have or that are shared by others," he told HuffPost Science. "In that state of mind, they have earned a kind of inoculation against the fuzzy thinking of these weird ideas floating around out there. So rather than correct the weird ideas, I would rather them to know how to think in the first place. Then they can correct the weird idea themselves. I don't just tell them no. That's pontifical.""

Creationist Danny Faulkner of the Christian group Answers in Genesis said during a March 20 appearance on "The Janet Mefferd Show" that Tyson seemed to shy away from any mention of creationism in his Fox series. "Consideration of special creation is definitely not open for discussion, it would seem," Faulkner said.

But Tyson proved Faulkner wrong in last Sunday's installment of "Cosmos" when he addressed -- and soundly attacked -- one of creationism's core tenets: That the universe, based on biblical sources, is only about 6,500 years old. Just check out the "Cosmos" video above.
Truth reason knowledge

Grantham, NH

#468 Apr 2, 2014
'Conspiracist' climate change study withdrawn amid legal threats
April 2, 2014 Peter Hannam

"Lunar landings? Made in Hollywood. Smoking causes cancer? No way. And as for climate change, better not ask.

Or rather, better not study - at least if the case of a Swiss-based journal is any guide.

" It means that if a paper is published that the climate deniers don't like the look of, they can bombard the journal with complaints or threats"

Climate change academics say the decision by a publisher to retract their paper examining the links between conspiracy theorists and denial of global warming because of legal threats could have a “chilling effect” on research.

Frontiers in Psychology last month retracted the paper, Recursive fury: Conspiracist ideation in the blogosphere in response to research on conspiracist ideation “in light of a small number of complaints”, the journal said on its website.

A year-long investigation “did not identify any issues with the academic and ethical aspects of the study,” it said. However, the probe found “the legal context (to be) insufficiently clear”.

The paper, though, is being carried by the website of the University of Western Australia (UWA), where one of its authors, cognitive scientist Stephan Lewandowsky, was based.

“Sadly, it has turned into a routine for outsiders with no scientific standing to approach, bully, or intimidate journals, editors, and academics,” said Professor Lewandowsky, now at the UK’s University of Bristol.

One person commenting on the Frontiers’ website asked for the ‘‘full details of the investigation,’’ saying the paper had been ‘‘derogatory and insulting’’ by naming people as conspiracy theorists who were ‘‘merely pointing out errors in the previous paper’’.

According to Graham Readfearn of , the legal threats were that the paper was defamatory.

Scientific rejection

The genesis of the rejected paper was a 4000-word paper in Psychological Science in 2012 by Professor Lewandowsky and co-authors that explored the links between an endorsement of free-market economics and a rejection of climate change science.

Support for free markets was also a predictor of rejection of mainstream science in other fields, such the link between smoking and cancer, the authors wrote.

Endorsement of a range of conspiracy theories, such as a belief NASA faked the moon landing in a Hollywood studio or that the FBI had killed US civil rights campaigner Martin Luther King Jr., also predicted a climate change denial stance.

Professor Lewandowsky and co-authors then studied how internet bloggers reacted to their initial work, producing the Recursive Fury paper that Frontiers published in February 2013 and has now retracted.

“The extent and vehemence of contrarian activity provided a particularly informative testbed for an analysis of how conspiracist ideation contributes to the rejection of science among web denizens,” the authors wrote."...

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Grantham, NH

#469 Apr 3, 2014
No woo: Wikipedia rejects holistic healing because science
March 29, 2014 Michael Stone

"Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales responds to a petition promoting alternative medicine by declaring Wikipedia will not pretend the work of “lunatic charlatans” is equivalent to true scientific discourse.

The petition asks Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, to “Create and enforce new policies that allow for true scientific discourse about holistic approaches to healing.”

The petition goes on to claim:“Wikipedia is widely used and trusted. Unfortunately, much of the information related to holistic approaches to healing is biased, misleading, out-of-date, or just plain wrong.”

Members of the alternative medicine community signing the petition are pledging not to donate to Wikipedia if something doesn’t change about how they’re being treated by the internet’s go to encyclopedia.

Wales’ response to the petition is direct, and to the point:


No, you have to be kidding me. Every single person who signed this petition needs to go back to check their premises and think harder about what it means to be honest, factual, truthful.

Wikipedia’s policies around this kind of thing are exactly spot-on and correct. If you can get your work published in respectable scientific journals – that is to say, if you can produce evidence through replicable scientific experiments, then Wikipedia will cover it appropriately.

What we won’t do is pretend that the work of lunatic charlatans is the equivalent of “true scientific discourse”."

Wales is right: Science is rigorous. Information based on third-party, published, peer-reviewed work is an appropriate minimum standard. If alternative medicines and practices cannot meet this minimum standard, they should not be treated as being equivalent to those medicines and practices that can meet the minimum standard.

Perhaps Tim Minchin said it best:

"Do you know what they call alternative medicine that has been proven to work?“Medicine.”"
BiggerGovt -BiggerTyranny

Rutland, VT

#470 Apr 3, 2014
[QUOTE who="PC Libtwittery, Screeching, Socialist Crapola"]'Conspiracist' climate change study withdrawn amid lack of evidence of man-made climate change- Sun found to be the culprit causing Global Cooling
Smoking causes cancer? No way. And as for climate change, better not ask.

Support for free markets was also a predictor of rejection of mainstream science in other fields, such the link between smoking and cancer, the authors wrote.

Hitler said smoking causes cancer, and he had his Nazi scientists wage a war on cancer which he believed was mainly caused by smoking, and smoking was widely banned in Nazi Germany, even in private cars
He also insisted that coffee caused cancer*
Passive smoking is, of course, the primary battle cry of today's nanny state tyrants.
So, ewe agree with Hitler,
I see

The Nazi War on Cancer
NY Time book review
Today's Anti-Smoking Purge Is Borrowed From The Nazis
Smoking is healthier than socialist fascism

11 Reasons Why You Should Drink Coffee Every Day
Love coffee but not the toxicity? Minimize health risks with these tips
What are the benefits of coffee enemas?
Science-Based Medicine
Question: I see a naturopathic doctor for chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia. She recommended coffee enemas. Suzy, I’m a faithful reader, do you think this is safe?
V.A., Seattle, Washington

Answer: Yes. Coffee enemas are used by holistic physicians for all sorts of conditions including cancer. Lots of people find help with constipation, fatigue and liver detoxification concerns. I know this sounds bizarre because you prefer to taste your coffee, not insert it rectally! Agreed. You may be hearing about coffee enemas today, but they are nothing new and complications from coffee enemas are highly unusual. Hey, I just thought of a new franchise concept called Starbutts … entrance in the rear.

Seriously, coffee enemas may help relieve constipation, insomnia and cognitive problems; they may eliminate (or control) parasites, candida and other pathogens (without disrupting intestinal flora). Coffee enemas are frequently used in natural cancer protocols such as the Gerson Therapy ( ). Coffee enemas were outlined as a treatment in the revered “Merck Manual,” a thick book that physicians used as their primary reference for decades, until the mid 1970s.





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