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Sunapee, NH

#1 Oct 1, 2013
The Fundraising Message That Ate America
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19158-the-f...
By William Rivers Pitt, Truthout
Tuesday, 01 October 2013
"On Monday afternoon, with a government shutdown looming, more than 200 disabled Americans swarmed the Longworth House Office Building in Washington DC and demanded that Speaker Boehner abandon his party's ongoing attempts to screw them over by defunding the Affordable Care Act.
He ignored them, of course.
And the government shut down at 12:01 a.m. Eastern time on Tuesday.
At exactly, precisely the same time as the Affordable Care Act activated itself. https://www.healthcare.gov/
Because Republicans.
GOP Rep. Peter King of New York, who generally spends all 365 days of the calendar year inventing new and interesting ways to sound like a crazy person, spent Monday imploring his fellow crazy people not to shut down the government over a law they had no chance of thwarting. There was a breath of hope in the hours before the shutdown hit that King and others might band together to pull their party back from the brink, but when push came to shove, their little insurrection managed to gather exactly six votes.
When Peter King is the voice of reason in your party, you have traveled to a strange and scary sector of deep, dark, cold space.
Things have come to a pretty pass indeed when all one needs in order to explain the House GOP's governing principles is a cat .gif. http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013...
But there it is, in a nutshell.
For the record, let it be noted that I said the following exactly one week ago: "They'll work it out one way or another before doom strikes us all, even if they just kick the can down the road a ways. Almost none of them have a real taste for Armageddon. This whole kerfuffle will get settled with a few ticks left on the clock, and the 'mainstream' news coverage will be breathless, and the gears will grind on."
Not so much with me and the predicting, there. I guess I forgot what country I'm in. A recent poll on the health care law showed a massive approval gap between "Obamacare" and "Affordable Care Act." The approval rating for the latter is a dozen points higher than the approval rating for the former, even though they are the same exact thing.
Because dumb. http://youtu.be/sx2scvIFGjE
Thanks to the GOP-controlled redrawing of a number of district maps across the country, and to the small-but-still-influential number of voters living in those districts who don't believe the dinosaurs existed because they are not mentioned in the Bible, we currently endure just enough members of Congress who think this debacle is a good thing.
A couple million people will wake up tomorrow not knowing when they will see their next paycheck. FHA loans for people looking to buy a home are on hold, as there won't be anyone at FHA to process the loans, because the housing market isn't important to the economy or anything. Medical research at the NIH is officially on hold, because tough luck if you're sick. The FDA won't be doing most of their routine food safety inspections, so eat up if you dare, unless you're poor, because food assistance programs like WIC are going to take a big hit. Oh, and buckle your hardhat on extra tight on Tuesday, because occupational safety and health inspectors will be sitting on their couches waiting for word on when they can go back to work again.
That's for openers, and P.S., the sequester is still happening, because screw you. If there were dinosaurs, Jesus would have mentioned them and stuff. I read that in a Texas high school textbook, so it must be true.
Because America." ...
Reality

Sunapee, NH

#2 Oct 1, 2013
continued from:
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19158-the-f...

..."A lot of people have a lot of ideas about why this cluster came to be. John Boehner is the weakest House Speaker in the history of the country; Ted Cruz is pulling the strings; GOP House members from preposterously gerrymandered districts don't have to worry about blowback from their constituents, because their constituents are barking mad.

Yes, yes, and yes...but that's hardly the whole story. A truly massive number of people are going to take it on the chin because of all this, but there is one very select group that is not complaining right now. They are, instead, stacking green paper in very large piles: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-shutdown-...

As Americans awoke to find Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) still conducting his all-night talkathon to stop President Obama's healthcare law on Wednesday, some also found a pleading email in their in-boxes.

"We can win this fight, but we must do our part," read the message from the Senate Conservatives Fund with the subject line "Still Standing." The group specializes in helping conservative Senate candidates - sometimes in campaigns against other Republicans. "If you want to help us continue to put pressure on wavering Republicans, please donate $5 or more," the message said. "We are doing everything we can to win this critical fight."

For candidates and groups on both sides, the budget fight comes at an opportune time - just before the Sept. 30 deadline for many of them to report how much they have raised. In Georgia, Michelle Nunn, daughter of legendary former Democratic Sen. Sam Nunn, is running for a U.S. Senate seat in a state where her party hopes to pick up a Republican seat. She contrasted today's Washington dysfunction with an earlier era, when collaboration and problem-solving were considered virtues.

"Name-calling. Brinksmanship. Political posturing," she wrote in a fundraising appeal. "With just days left to avert a government shutdown, Washington is yet again in paralysis." The solution? Send a donation, her missive said. And Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a favorite of many tea party followers, told his donors the Senate needed more like-minded members. Rubio had just the candidate in mind: conservative Republican Rep. Tom Cotton of Arkansas, who hopes to topple Democratic Sen. Mark Pryor.

"Your donation of $5,$10 or $20 will make a real difference," Rubio's note said.

If you think the Democrats haven't been banging this particular kettle drum, think again. No less than twelve fundraising emails have hit my mailbox since 8:00 a.m. Monday morning, two of which came from "Barack Obama" himself. "I need your help today," reads the one I got around dinnertime on Monday evening, "because all of the progress that has been made since 2008 has never been about what I can do for you, but what we can accomplish together. I need partners in the Senate and House who share that focus. And tonight's fundraising deadline is crucial. Chip in $25 or more right now before the midnight fundraising deadline to help Democrats finish what we started."

As I am not beloved by the denizens of the far right, I am not on any of their fundraising email lists...but I am going to assume that Republicans all across the country have spent the last 48 hours watching their in-boxes fill up with JESUS IS LORD COMMUNISTS AND SOCIALISTS WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AND FETUSES OBAMACARE IS A TROJAN HORSE FOR SHARIA LAW KENYA BIRTH CERTIFICATE HILLARY CLINTON GIVE US MONEY OR GOD WILL MAKE YOU GAY WHAAAAARGARBLE messages." ...
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Sunapee, NH

#4 Oct 1, 2013
Government Shutdown ... Brought to You by Citizens United
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19172-gover...
Tuesday, 01 October 2013
By The Daily Take, The Thom Hartmann Program |

"Citizens United has fundamentally changed the American political landscape.

In 2010, thanks to the infinite wisdom of the five right-wing Supreme Court justices, our democracy was changed forever.

With the Citizens United decision, we lost control over our government and democracy to millionaire moguls, billionaire tycoons and giant transnational corporations.

Yet, despite the complete takeover of our political landscape by corporations and billionaires like the Koch brothers, the mainstream media has remained dead silent about the devastating effects of the disastrous Citizens United decision.

As a result, the majority of Americans have no clue what Citizens United is, let alone the damage it's done to our democracy and way of life.

Basically, Citizens United lets a few dozen cranky right-wing billionaires, like Charles and David Koch, threaten every single Republican member of Congress with a Tea Party primary challenger.

The result is that Republicans, instead of working with Democrats to find a bipartisan middle road for the country, as they have traditionally done, have to compromise with and do the bidding of the right-wing billionaires and their Tea Party mouthpieces in Congress.

Otherwise, they risk losing their jobs to Tea Party challengers in the next election.

This isn't good for our country or our democracy.

It has fundamentally shifted both the nature of our government and the way that we govern.

And even worse, the billionaire stranglehold over our democracy has shifted the topics for discussion in Washington.

We no longer talk about the issues that matter to working-class Americans, like taxing the rich, rolling back the Reagan tax cuts, and building the infrastructure that the middle-class uses and desperately needs, like schools, roads, and hospitals.

Instead, debate in Washington is taken up by the issues that billionaires care about, like reducing regulations on pollution, reducing regulations on banking, cutting business taxes, making it easier for companies outsource and globalize, increasing the number of guest worker visas within the immigration bill...and the list goes on." ...

read the rest:
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19172-gover...
Alex

Newton Center, MA

#5 Oct 1, 2013
Hartmann will point out that the S.C. was wrong in passing the Citizens United ruling but claim they were right to say ObamaCare is constitutional.
It's not, and the Other high courts said so!
The same S.C. said not a few years ago that it was constitutional for the pigs to throw that woman in jail just cuz she wasn't using her seatbelt while driving!
And we all know the history of other sick rotten rulings that came from that court, like Roe vs. Wade the abortion one (which will be overturned whether ewe like it or not sue) and the S.C. ruling with Dred Scott etc. that said slavery is legal etc.
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"This isn't good for our country or our democracy."
-it's NOT a 'democracy'!!

"It has fundamentally shifted both the nature of our government... "
-which is a REPUBLIC. The Constitution says exactly what kind of govt. we are to have, yet one can scour the Constitution and not find the word democracy nor any form of that word, same with all 50 of the State constititions.
BTW sue, EACH of them, including Vermont's and NH's, proclaim that our rights/freedoms come from the Creator/God
The founders spoke out strongly Against democracy as a form of govt., including Jefferson and Ben Franklin who ewe've quoted out of context in ewe're religiophobic threads. The word literally means mob rule, and Franklin said: "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
-that quote is 'threatening' according to sheeple twits like ewe!

"And even worse, the billionaire stranglehold over our democracy has shifted the topics for discussion in Washington."

-libturds like Hartmann and that Soros-funded site will harp on those billionaires the Koch brothers but never admit that fatcat billionire George $oros funds THEM, he gave $$$ to create liberal media sites and more for liberal cause$.
This is sedition

Sunapee, NH

#6 Oct 2, 2013
Shutdown Isn't Symptom of Tea Party Ideology, It IS Tea Party Ideology
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-b-keega...
Michael Keegan 10/01/2013
"It's easy to wonder how a group of people hired to do one job -- simply to keep a country running -- could be bungling it so terribly. That is, until you remember that a powerful faction of those people were never interested in doing that one job in the first place.
Today's government shutdown, hitched to an unrealistic laundry list of demands, isn't a symptom of Tea Party ideology -- it is Tea Party ideology. The Tea Party and its allies in Congress have never been interested in using the government to solve problems. Instead, they believe that a functioning government is a problem in itself. And they are willing to risk untold damage to the country in order to get their way.
In previous partisan budget disputes, at least we've had the comfort of imagining that neither party wanted to completely destroy the government. Not so this time.
The Republican Party under Tea Party control is in such denial about reality that it is willing to deal a blow to the nation's economy just because it can't believe, and won't admit, that it lost the last the last two presidential elections. They're also hoping that their antics will play to their advantage in future elections, deliberately planning votes they hope will back vulnerable Senate Democrats into tight corners.
Just look at Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who somehow has managed to wrest control of the Republican Party after less than a year in the Senate. Cruz explained during his long imaginary filibuster last week that "if we listen to the American people, the vote would be 100 to 0 to defund Obamacare." Apparently, holding a national election in which the candidate who created Obamacare handily defeated the candidate who wanted to repeal it doesn't count as "listening to the American people."
In fact, Cruz told us (and then shamelessly denied that he had told us) that those who criticize his defunding efforts are just like Neville Chamberlain, who wanted the British people to "accept the Nazis" and "appease them."
Rep. John Culberson of Texas went even further, likening Republicans threatening to shut down the government to the 9/11 heroes on United Airlines Flight 93: "I said, you know like 9/11,'Let's roll!'"
Rep. Michele Bachmann, meanwhile, likened the all-out fight to defund Obamacare to helping free Americans from drug addiction, saying, "President Obama can't wait to get Americans addicted to the crack cocaine of dependency on more government health care."
This is the alternate reality that is driving the government shutdown.
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce -- far from a liberal group -- has warned that a shutdown will hurt business. Wall Street is skittish. Even the majority of Americans who oppose Obamacare don't want to see it fail. In all, Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to the plan to shut down the federal government to block the implementation of the ACA. A Quinnipiac poll this week found that 72 percent opposed the shutdown.
Now even Republican members of Congress are coming out to say that the shutdown is nuts and that it's entirely the fault of a party that's letting the Tea Party take the reins.
The Republican establishment and big business groups like the Chamber and worked to get Tea Party senators and congressman into power and encouraged the rigid anti-government ideology that fueled the movement. They got what they paid for. Unfortunately, the rest of us are now paying too."
Liberalthinker

Bennington, VT

#7 Oct 2, 2013
This is sedition wrote:
Shutdown Isn't Symptom of Tea Party Ideology, It IS Tea Party Ideology
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-b-keega...
Michael Keegan 10/01/2013
"It's easy to wonder how a group of people hired to do one job -- simply to keep a country running -- could be bungling it so terribly. That is, until you remember that a powerful faction of those people were never interested in doing that one job in the first place.
Today's government shutdown, hitched to an unrealistic laundry list of demands, isn't a symptom of Tea Party ideology -- it is Tea Party ideology. The Tea Party and its allies in Congress have never been interested in using the government to solve problems. Instead, they believe that a functioning government is a problem in itself. And they are willing to risk untold damage to the country in order to get their way.
In previous partisan budget disputes, at least we've had the comfort of imagining that neither party wanted to completely destroy the government. Not so this time.
The Republican Party under Tea Party control is in such denial about reality that it is willing to deal a blow to the nation's economy just because it can't believe, and won't admit, that it lost the last the last two presidential elections. They're also hoping that their antics will play to their advantage in future elections, deliberately planning votes they hope will back vulnerable Senate Democrats into tight corners.
Just look at Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who somehow has managed to wrest control of the Republican Party after less than a year in the Senate. Cruz explained during his long imaginary filibuster last week that "if we listen to the American people, the vote would be 100 to 0 to defund Obamacare." Apparently, holding a national election in which the candidate who created Obamacare handily defeated the candidate who wanted to repeal it doesn't count as "listening to the American people."
In fact, Cruz told us (and then shamelessly denied that he had told us) that those who criticize his defunding efforts are just like Neville Chamberlain, who wanted the British people to "accept the Nazis" and "appease them."
Rep. John Culberson of Texas went even further, likening Republicans threatening to shut down the government to the 9/11 heroes on United Airlines Flight 93: "I said, you know like 9/11,'Let's roll!'"
Rep. Michele Bachmann, meanwhile, likened the all-out fight to defund Obamacare to helping free Americans from drug addiction, saying, "President Obama can't wait to get Americans addicted to the crack cocaine of dependency on more government health care."
This is the alternate reality that is driving the government shutdown.
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce -- far from a liberal group -- has warned that a shutdown will hurt business. Wall Street is skittish. Even the majority of Americans who oppose Obamacare don't want to see it fail. In all, Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to the plan to shut down the federal government to block the implementation of the ACA. A Quinnipiac poll this week found that 72 percent opposed the shutdown.
Now even Republican members of Congress are coming out to say that the shutdown is nuts and that it's entirely the fault of a party that's letting the Tea Party take the reins.
The Republican establishment and big business groups like the Chamber and worked to get Tea Party senators and congressman into power and encouraged the rigid anti-government ideology that fueled the movement. They got what they paid for. Unfortunately, the rest of us are now paying too."
And it was ideology the democrats used to jam obamacare down our throats. Could it be they really believe that obamacare is a bad law?

Would you have been so angry if it was Tip O'Neil and the democrats shutting the government down for ideological reasons?
Extortion

Sunapee, NH

#8 Oct 2, 2013
Shutdown: A multi-billion dollar hit to economy
http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/30/news/economy/...
By Chris Isidore @CNNMoney October 1, 2013

"A government shutdown could cost the still-struggling U.S. economy roughly $1 billion a week in pay lost by furloughed federal workers. And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

First, there are the estimated 800,000 federal employees who will be off the job. That's roughly the same number of workers employed by all the auto assembly lines and auto parts factories across the country.

But economists say the impact will come not just from those lost wages, but also from related businesses cutting back or halting their operations. That will lead to a pullback in spending by employees of affected companies.

Then, there's the impact from increased business uncertainty that trims investments and disrupts financial markets.

The total economic impact is likely to be at least 10 times greater than the simple calculation of wages lost by federal workers, said Brian Kessler, economist with Moody's Analytics. His firm estimates that a three to four week shutdown will cost the economy about $55 billion.

That would mean that the economic impact from a month-long shutdown would be roughly equal to the combined disruption caused by Hurricane Katrina and Superstorm Sandy, not counting the property damage that accompanied those storms.

"What's maddening is this is all totally voluntary. It's totally unnecessary," said Kessler. "...

read the rest:
http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/30/news/economy/...
Justice

Sunapee, NH

#9 Oct 2, 2013
Liberalthinker wrote:
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And it was ideology the democrats used to jam obamacare down our throats. Could it be they really believe that obamacare is a bad law?
Would you have been so angry if it was Tip O'Neil and the democrats shutting the government down for ideological reasons?
You are missing the point, there is a seditious conspiracy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seditious_conspi...

"Seditious conspiracy (18 U.S.C.§ 2384) is a crime under United States law. It is stated as follows:
“ If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both."

being committed by a small fascist minority in the republican party that is actively attempting to overthrow and destroy the federal government. They are attempting to prevent, hinder and delay the execution of the Affordable health care law.

Moreover this fascist minority is openly attempting to destroy and replace the federal government with a theocratic dictatorship.

This is much more than an ideological disagreement, they should be brought up on charges and sentenced to the full extent of the law.
This is sedition

Sunapee, NH

#10 Oct 2, 2013
Christian TV host asks God for ‘military takeover’ of Obama’s presidency
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/01/christi...
By David Edwards Tuesday, October 1, 2013

"A Christian TV host this week called on God to consider a “military takeover” of President Barack Obama’s government because it could be the only way to save the country from tyranny.

On his Monday Internet broadcast, Morning Star TV’s Rick Joyner predicted that democracy was “doomed” unless the Lord imposed martial law.

“The balance of powers in the legislative and judicial branches were supposed to balance and keep in check, hold in check, the potential tyranny from the executive branch overstepping their bounds,” Joyner explained.“The people are not always right, it depends on what people they are. And another thing the founders warned about is this thing will only work for a moral and a religious people. You remove morality, you remove the religious influence, and it cannot work.”

“We’re headed for serious tyranny, a terrible tyranny right now,” he continued.“But guess what? The kingdom is coming, the Kingdom of God is coming. And America is not the Kingdom of God. I think we have been used in some wonderful and powerful ways by God, we’ve been one of the most generous nations in history. We’ve done so much good.”

“That’s why I appeal to the Lord: Don’t let us be totally destroyed, please raise up those who will save us. And as I’ve been telling friends for a long time, no election is going to get the right person in there because the system is so broken.”

Joyner added that the “only hope is a military takeover, martial law.”

“And that the most crucial element of that is who to the martial [sic] is going to be,” he said.“I believe there are noble leaders in our military that love the republic and love everything we stand for. And they could seize the government.”"

Watch this video from Morning Star TV, broadcast Sept. 30, 2013:

good interview

Sunapee, NH

#11 Oct 2, 2013
Obama Cleverly Uses CNBC Interview to Turn Wall St Against Boehner and the Tea Party
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/02/obama-...
By: Jason EasleyOct. 2nd, 2013

"President Obama went on CNBC today, and cleverly worked to ramp up the pressure on Speaker Boehner and the tea party by turning Wall Street against the party that they fund.

Video of the full interview: http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/02/obama-...

John Harwood of CNBC asked the president if Wall Street was correct to react calmly to the government shutdown.

Obama said:

No I think this time’s different.I think they should be concerned. I had a chance to speak to some of the financial industry who came down for their typical trip, and I told them that it is not unusual for Democrats and Republicans to disagree. That’s the way the Founders designed our government. Democracy’s messy, but when you have a situation in which a faction is willing potentially to default on US government obligations then we are in trouble. If they’re willing to do it now, they’ll be willing to do it later.

"One thing that I often hear is,‘Well, Mr. President even if they’re being unreasonable, why can’t you just do something that makes them happy now?” And I have to remind people, what I have to remind people is what we are debating now would keep the government open for 2 months. We would then be going through this exact same thing in the middle of Christmas shopping season, which I don’t think many businesses would be interested in. We saw what happened in 2011, and then we’d have go through it again six months from now, and six months after that. And one thing I know the American people are tired of, and I have to assume the vast majority of businesses are tired of is this constant governing from crisis to crisis, so in that sense, do we have to break that fever? Absolutely. We have to stop doing that."

President Obama wasn’t trying to scare Wall Street, but he did let them know what Republican behavior is going to cost them. Obama went on CNBC for a reason. He was intentionally reaching out to the financial sector to put heat on the House Republicans. The president didn’t target all House Republicans, just the faction of 80 that are insisting on getting rid of the ACA.

The walls are closing in on Boehner and the tea party. Obama knows that Boehner may not listen or care about anyone else, but he jumps when corporate America snaps their fingers. The president has made it very clear that he will not negotiate over the CR or the debt limit. The president’s message hasn’t changed. Republicans will get nothing in exchange for reopening the government.

President Obama and the Democrats are surgically cutting off the base of support for Republican Party. Obama has boxed Boehner and the tea party in. Speaker Boehner only has one option to get out of this. He has got to pass a clean CR and reopen the government."
This is sedition

Sunapee, NH

#12 Oct 2, 2013
Send the Bill For the Shutdown to the Evangelicals
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschaeffer/2...
October 2, 2013 By Frank Schaeffer

"Don’t like the shutdown? Send the bill to the evangelicals. People schooled to live in a make-believe magical facts-be-damned world took over the Republican Party. The Tea Party is the pro-life evangelical subculture reborn with a few libertarian nuts thrown in. I’m talking about the bedrock mostly southern and mountain state evangelical conservatives that are anything but conservative. The pro-life, home-school, anti-government far right is the evangelical movement. And it’s radically anti American. Without this movement the 40 extremists in congress who are the radical right of the far right would not have been elected.

As Andrew Sullivan writes: http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/01/the...

“But there is something more here. How does one party that has lost two presidential elections and a Supreme Court case – as well as two Senate elections - think it has the right to shut down the entire government and destroy the full faith and credit of the United States Treasury to get its way on universal healthcare now? I see no quid pro quo even. Just pure blackmail, resting on understandable and predictable public concern whenever a major reform is enacted. But what has to be resisted is any idea that this is government or politics as usual. It is an attack on the governance and the constitutional order of the United States.”" ...

read the rest:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschaeffer/2...
Community Disorganizer

Newtown, CT

#13 Oct 2, 2013
Wall Street is worried Obozo is going to cut off their $85,000,000,000 monthly welfare payment; that's billions! Obama will probably $100 million soon after leaving office, maybe even buy his own 747.
PrisonPlanet dot Com

Newton Center, MA

#14 Oct 2, 2013
We get it, susieQ from NH hates the Constitution- which disallows forced govt. mandates on individuals like ObamaCare
Obviously not everyone in the 'Live Free or Die' State wants to live free
This is sedition

Sunapee, NH

#15 Oct 3, 2013
Tea Party Republican -- Linked Religious Right Leader Calls for 'Military Takeover'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/re...
Posted: 10/03/2013 9:55 am

""We estimate that between 28 percent and 34 percent of officers and NCOs (non-commissioned officers) in the U.S. military would either back or be extremely sympathetic to Joyner" -- Mikey Weinstein, founder and head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation

Amidst chaos in Washington, while Republicans in Congress are accused of holding the "full faith and credit" of the United States hostage through the current government shutdown, a leader of the newly emerging, reorganized religious right who has ties to prominent Tea Party Republicans has just called for a "military takeover."

In a September 30, 2013 broadcast, as reported by Raw Story and Religious Right Watch, Morningstar Ministries head Rick Joyner -- a leading prophet and apostle in the theocratic movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation who has ties to former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin [see: 1, 2] and other leading Tea Party-aligned Republicans -- publicly issued a call for a coup - a "military takeover" of the United States government and the imposition of martial law.

In an interview with former Reagan administration lawyer Michael "Mikey" Weinstein -- who formed the civil rights watchdog organization the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) after discovering a pattern of coercive evangelizing at his former alma mater, the United States Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs -- Weinstein told me his organization estimated that between 28 percent and 34 percent of officers and NCOs in the United States military were adherents to a supremacist form of Christianity known as dominionism who might back or at least be sympathetic to evangelist Joyner's call for a coup.

"It is a terrible mistake to dismiss Joyner as merely fringe. The opposite is true," explained Weinstein, who emphasized that there are dozens of dominionist evangelical para-church organizations engaging in what MRFF views as predatory evangelizing in the military. "Complacency is complicity," warned Weinstein, who called Rick Joyner's call for a military takeover a "red line" and also a "wretched" form of "sedition."" ...

Read the rest:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/re...
what a jerk

Sunapee, NH

#22 Oct 3, 2013
Tea Party congressman berates Park Ranger at WWII Memorial
http://voices.suntimes.com/early-and-often/te...
By Craig Newman October 3, 2013

"The World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C., has turned into a bit of a government shutdown celebrity over the last couple of days.

The U.S. Park Service, which administers the memorial, has taken a hit just like numerous other federal agencies as Congress and President Obama play budgetary chicken. Unable to fund staffing or maintain the National Parks in the wake of funding shortfalls and furloughs, the WWII Memorial had been closed to the public.

The problem? A slew of veterans who had been winging their way to D.C. on so-called Honor Flights were being turned away. That is, until the Park Rangers, in a clever bit of constitutional bravado, began letting the vets in under the auspices of protecting First Amendment rights. In fact, as Lynn Sweet reported, a group of Illinois veterans gained access Wednesday – with some help from the Illinois congressional delegation.

So, making the most of a bad situation. Job well done by the rangers, right?

Wrong. Or so said Texas Tea Party Republican Congressman Randy Neugebauer. Rep. Neugebauer chose a different route to gain access for the memorial veterans – by blaming and attempting to shame the Park Rangers trying to perform their duties under incredibly difficult circumstances.

The Washington NBC affiliate caught the confrontation, perhaps even more shameful than the congressional inaction that led to the shutdown in the first place. Watch the video, where Neugebauer upbraids a ranger and tells her she should feel shame. For doing her job.



“How do you look at them and… deny them access?” said Neugebauer.

“It’s difficult,” responded the Park Service employee.

“Well, it should be difficult,” replied the congressman, who was carrying a small American flag in his breast pocket.

“It is difficult,” responded the Park Service employee.“I’m sorry, sir.”

“The Park Service should be ashamed of themselves,” the congressman said.

“I’m not ashamed,” replied the ranger.

The crowd then begins to confront Rep. Neugebauer. For his part, the congressman tweeted two references to the memorial and the need for veterans access, though he didn’t address his outburst:

https://twitter.com/RandyNeugebauer

Thanks to Rep. Neugebauer, we now know who is to blame for the shameful shutdown – one that apparently has real implications for real people. Not Congress, of course. Not petty vendettas, fights over the Affordable Care Act and legislative brinkmanship designed to grind the machine to a halt. Certainly not the complete lack of leadership nor a sense of public responsibility.

No, it’s the Park Rangers. Now that the cause is identified, maybe we can put all this ugliness behind us.

Should National Parks be closed? Of course not. But that’s where we’re at. Then again, the government shouldn’t be shut down, either. But the way to fix the problem surely can’t be by verbally abusing workers who likely aren’t even getting paid for their service. The low-rent theatre is beneath the veterans and the attitude is disrespectful to federal workers caught in the middle."
this is sedition

Sunapee, NH

#24 Oct 4, 2013
Leading Christian Hard-Liner Calls for Military Takeover in U.S.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/leadi...
By David Neiwert October 04, 2013

"Rick Joyner, one of the leading lights of the Christian Dominionist movement, recently told his television audience that democracy has failed in America, and that the nation’s only hope, in light of the looming “tyranny” of the Obama administration, is “a military takeover – martial law.”

Said Joyner:“There’s no way our Republic can last much longer. It may not last through Obama’s second term. There are a lot of people who feel that it can’t. That there are forces right now that are seeking to undermine and to destroy the Republic. There’s almost a glib and almost a joyful disregard of the Constitution and belittling of the Constitution. We can’t make it without that. It’s our foundation, our moorings. We’re headed for serious tyranny…

“I think we’ve been used in some wonderful and powerful ways by God. We’ve been one of the most generous nations in history. We’ve done so much good. And that’s why I appeal to the Lord:‘Don’t let us be totally destroyed, please raise up those who will save us!’ And as I’ve started telling friends for a long time, no election is going to get the right person in there that’s going to restore us, because the system is so broken, so undermined right now, the whole system.

“I believe our only hope is a military takeover – martial law.”

One of the more disturbing aspects of this pronouncement is the fact that Joyner — who heads up the dominionist Oak Initiative, which seeks out “Christian leaders” and then tries to place them within the halls of government, including the military — is also a close associate of retired Gen. Jerry Boykin.

Boykin is best remembered as the general who, while helping to oversee the invasion of Iraq, told an audience that Islamic extremists hated the United States “because we’re a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christians.… And the enemy is a guy named Satan.”(Boykin also told another audience that he tracked down an Islamic terrorist successfully because “I knew that my God was bigger than his.”) More recently, he has gained attention for claiming that President Obama is secretly plotting a Marxist takeover of America through his health-care reforms.

Boykin’s is the first name listed on the board of Joyner’s Oak Initiative. He regularly broadcasts a TV program under the auspices of the Initiative, and has appeared in public and on TV with Joyner many times

In one of these, they were joined by Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council — where Boykin in 2012 was named executive vice-president — http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/7336320... in a discussion of how to get ordinary Christians involved in “the battle that America’s in today”, and Boykin urged them to form a modern-day Spartan army, http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/molon... - declaring “Molon Labe”(“Come and take them”):“Well, I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m at the point now where I am ready to say ‘Molon labe!’ to those in Washington, to those in the special interest groups that want to take my liberties, that want to rob my grandchildren of the ability to have the kind of America that I grew up in. I’m at the point where I’m saying,‘Molon labe!”" ...
this is sedition

Sunapee, NH

#25 Oct 4, 2013
continued from:
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/leadi...

..."However, even if Boykin agrees with Joyner that a military coup is what’s needed to save America, it is worth keeping in mind that it appears Boykin – who at one time was the nation’s deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence – now has very little influence within the Pentagon. He was, after all, investigated and rebuked by the Department of Defense for his remarks about Islam. More recently, his bigoted remarks about Islam resulted in an Egyptian mob attacking Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s motorcade.

Joyner is not the first conservative to suggest a military coup as a means to overthrow President Obama. In July 2009 http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/rush-... while discussing the military coup that had just occurred in Honduras, Rush Limbaugh semi-jokingly suggested that our own military leaders should follow suit, since Obama was “doing everything he could to ensure the defeat of the U.S. military,” later adding:“And if we had any good luck, Honduras would send some people here and help us get our government back.”

Limbaugh’s show is broadcast daily on Armed Services Radio."

Cross-posted at Hatewatch. http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/10/03/lead...
Reality

Sunapee, NH

#26 Oct 5, 2013
Why Government Matters, By Elizabeth Warren
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/why-governme...
By karoli October 04, 2013

"Just before everyone's attention shifted from the Republican government shutdown to the tragic incident with Miriam Carey, Elizabeth Warren delivered this speech on the Senate floor. She is so great at speaking truth with class and passion.

My favorite part comes at about 3 minutes in when she reminds us that government matters:


" But time and time again throughout our history we have re-affirmed the simple truth that government matters.

So Mr. President, to those who have forced us to the brink, to those who rail against a make-believe government, to those who seem to rejoice in anarchy, to those who salivate at the chance to shut down our government because of their extremist views have left them disconnected from the experiences of the American people, it is time to hear a simple message.

You can do your best to make government look like it doesn't work when you stop it from working.

You can do your best to make government look paralyzed when you paralyze it.

You can do your best to make government look incompetent and ineffective through your incompetence, and ineffective through your ineffectiveness.

But sooner or later, the government will reopen. Because this is a democracy, and this democracy has already rejected your views.

We have already chosen to do these things together because we all know that we are stronger when we come together.

When this government reopens, when our markets are safe again, when our scientists can return to their research, when our small businesses can borrow, when our veterans can be respected for their service, when our flu shots resume and our Head Start programs get back to teaching our kids, we will have rejected your views once again.

We are not a country of anarchists. We are not a country of pessimists and ideologues whose motto is "I've got mine, the rest of you are on your own. We are not a country that tolerates dangerous drugs, unsafe meat, dirty air or toxic mortgages.

We are not that nation. We have never been that nation and we will never be that nation."

Amen, Senator Warren."
Shut Down Psycho SusieQ

Jersey City, NJ

#27 Oct 5, 2013
sicko psycho susieQ's sinister senator sez:

"when our flu shots resume"
-25 mcg of mercury per flu shot according to the insert that comes with it. Mercury is a heavy metal and very toxic to the body. WTFU
VacLib.org
ThinkTwice.com

"We are not a country that tolerates dangerous drugs"
-but ewe push em on children anyway, the hdangerous vaccines and the SSRI pills that cause so many suicides and most of the people who go postal- PHUUUCCKK EWE> HYPOCRITE BIATCH!!

"when our veterans can be respected for their service"
-and you feds respect them by kicking them out of the war memorials we all paid for! And now they admit the fact that Obama/our govt. backs and funds al-Qeada- the very terrorists that supposedly attacked us on 9/11 !!

"and our Head Start programs get back to teaching our kids"
-lots of folks teach their children with homeschooling, no BS fed govt. program involved, and those children tend to be a LOT smarter than the sheeple kids from the Public Fool System!

"Because this is a democracy, and this democracy has already rejected your views."
-that alone is why no one should listen to this extremist congresscritter biatch, she didn't read the Constitution she took an oath too nor cares what it Actually says- We are to be a REPUBLIC (Article 4 sec. 4) not a God-damned Democracy (mob rule)

BTW- it's not really a govt. shutdown at all- If only it was!

Government Shutdown? 36 Facts Which Prove That Almost Everything Is Still Running
http://www.infowars.com/government-shutdown-3...
(but susieQ doesn't let facts get in her way)

Government Shutdown Not Slowing Down Warmongers
http://www.infowars.com/government-shutdown-n...
Halfway There

Brattleboro, VT

#28 Oct 5, 2013
How to spot a sociopath.
10 red flags

http://bit.ly/K3sJhE

"They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.

They are master wordsmiths.

They are never wrong. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will go on the attack.

They are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it.

Most will become angry or aggressive when their integrity is questioned.

It would appear there's one in our midst...

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