PSB issues certificate for installation of generator at VY
Posted in the Brattleboro Forum
#1 Jun 9, 2013
We would have given them the CPG in our own sweet time, but they pulled the legal card.
#2 Jun 9, 2013
Yep, the state folded like a cheap suit.
#3 Jun 9, 2013
All those left wing science pols are on the run.
#4 Jun 9, 2013
How's that PV analysis coming along?
Find Romney's transcript yet?
#5 Jun 10, 2013
I posted an analysis of the community solar project in Putney showing a ridiculously long payback. For some reason topix didn't want to let it go on. Maybe because I named names.
You can do the same thing. This is what you need to do. Go to the web site for the community solar project. They have one of those calculators which shows what you save each month depending on how many panels you buy and for what price. Then go online and find a savings calculator or and amortizaion calcualtor and you will be able to calculate the return on your investment given what you pay and the amount of savings on your electric bill each month.
You are going to have to do a little arithmatic Evan. Can you do arithmatic? When you are done come back on here and tell us whether you think you would invest your money that way. It was interesting that the first testimonial they used had the person quoted as saying "it will be good for my children and grandchildren" because that is how long it takes for you to get your money back.
#6 Jun 10, 2013
Should have replaced that line 25 years ago!
#7 Jun 10, 2013
hey know it all- how's that search for going for the records of Obama having gone to Occidental univ in California OR Columbia Univ in NY or ANYONE in the faculty, professors or students who remember him ever being there??
The govt. can't figure out where Obama went to school, can't provide any evidence tying Osama bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks nor figure out Abu Nidal nor the Tsarnaev bros (even tho Russia warned about those bros!) nor find where the rest of the terrorists are in this country, but they can figure out who YOU called and emailed and and what was said and typed etc.
So much for that 'Hope' & 'Change' sh't.
back when the Indonesian citizen Barry Soetoro AKA Barry Obama was in his early twenties and ALLEGEDLY attending those colleges...
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#8 Jun 10, 2013
SHUT DOWN TO KEEP PRICES ELEVATED
NEW YORK (Reuters
The year-long nuclear outage has already kept California wholesale prices higher than they should have been, according to an annual report from the grid's department of market monitoring.
Without San Onofre's output, the state relied on more expensive gas-fired generation and experienced significantly higher grid congestion costs that were borne by all customers, not just those in Southern California, the report said.
Thanks to an abundant supply of cheap U.S. natural gas produced from shale and California's ambitious goals to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, gas now supplies more than 60 percent of the state's power, up from 50 percent in 2000. Hydro, renewables and nuclear power make up the balance, according to federal data.
San Onofre produced enough power to supply more than a million average California homes and replacing its output could add roughly 360 million cubic feet per day (MMcf/d) of gas demand for the state, said energy analyst Teri Viswanath of BNP Paribas in New York.
Loss of the San Onofre plant and increased reliance on natural gas will challenge California's effort to cut carbon dioxide emissions.
Analysts said the state must now make sure the grid remains reliable without San Onofre. The plant not only supplied megawatts but allowed much-needed power from outside the state to flow to Southern California.
"All would breathe easier if more generating capacity were available in Southern California," said Hugh Wynne, senior research analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Co in New York.
This summer, companies completed several grid upgrades to help avoid potential rolling outage conditions in Southern California.
In addition, programs to curb electric use during periods of high demand have been expanded.
#9 Jun 10, 2013
Sure you did.
Sorry, but I never learned arithmatic (sic)
I gave a link to a "average" solar installation but your comments only showed your ignorance, i.e., property taxes and insurance.
#10 Jun 10, 2013
NEW YORK (Reuters)- California's growing reliance on natural gas to fuel its power plants will increase and power prices will remain elevated following Southern California Edison's decision to retire a crippled nuclear power plant.
Both reactors at the 2,150-megawatt (MW) San Onofre plant will be permanently closed due to uncertainty over the cost and timing of restarting one of the units, said SCE, a unit of California energy company Edison International, on Friday.
While the grid agency has warned that the loss of San Onofre could cause rolling outages this summer as use of air conditioners soars, old and new power plants fueled by natural gas will likely pick up the slack.
"Any time you have a large plant closure, it affects both existing plants as well as future planning to replace the energy the plant was producing," said John Chillemi, west region president of NRG Energy Inc, which has more than 5,000 MW of gas-fired generation in California at 11 sites.
"I can tell you that when (San Onofre) first went off-line, NRG experienced increases in power generation at our southern California-based energy stations," said Chillemi.
Because the San Onofre reactors have been shut since January 2012, analysts said there should be little immediate impact to electricity or gas markets from SCE's decision not to seek regulatory approval to restart the nuclear plant.
"We kind of knew San Onofre might not come back this summer. Now we know for certain," said Paul Patterson, energy analyst at Glenrock Associates in New York.
#11 Jun 11, 2013
Go to the link for the company shown in the article. What's the problem with that? Even withoug the taxes and insurance the payback is very very long. Would you invest your money that way?
#12 Jun 11, 2013
People Before Profits!
San Onofre Is Dead And So Is Nuclear Power
Nuclear Dominoes Fall In California And Kentucky
Southern California Edison (SCE) has abandoned plans to restart its two nuclear reactors at San Onofre. The announcement this morning comes exactly one week after termination of operations at the Paducah, Kentucky, uranium enrichment plant, which for decades had provided the fuel for San Onofre. It drops the number of operating nuclear reactors in the U.S. below one hundred for the first time since the early 1980s.
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#13 Jun 11, 2013
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#14 Jun 11, 2013
There you go attempting to change the conservation again by telling others to do what you refuse to. Hypocrite.
Although PV can be a "good" investment, I'd wager that's not the primary reason most people are installing them.
#15 Jun 11, 2013
Show me how solar can be a "good" investment. You want some analysis (since you obviously can't do it yourself): If you buy enough solar panels in the "community solar" project to save you $123/mo it will cost you after incentives just over $20k. Divide 20,000 by 123 and see how long it takes you to get your money back before you start making money. If you add in the value of the money you could have earned somewhere else it will be even longer. If you borrow the $20k at 4% for ten years you will be paying more per month for the loan than you get in electricity savings.
Solar is not a good investment. Read the Reformer today for an absolutely ridiculous article about a home PV set up. That fool is spending so much it will take him 40 years to get his money back.
#16 Jun 11, 2013
There are many pro-nukies who have solar now, like that house right near Bratt high school. They've had their roof covered in solar panels for 2+ years now and they've had a Vermont Yankee sign out front too.
So are you saying that these nukies by BUHS made a dumb mistake to invest in the solar units that power them?
I saw chickens being raised in their fenced in yard too.
#17 Jun 11, 2013
I already did.
You could do better having the panels installed at your own house but you are paying for convenience it seems.
The rest of your "analysis" is laughable. You don't even calculate a rate of return which is your pet peeve.
The best part is you just proved yourself a liar:
"It would take much more than $30k to save $100 a month. The last calcualtion I saw said it would take 22 years to get your money back and then the equipment would all have to be replaced and you would start all over."
Time to move those goalposts again...
#18 Jun 12, 2013
That's the point you fool. There is no rate of return. It takes so many years to get your capital back out of the investment the rate of return is 0.
And it isn't any better for your DIY system.
#19 Jun 13, 2013
And this is why I call you an idiot. It's not out of malice, it's just a simple fact.
Expected life of the system is minimum of 30 years and given your very simplistic initial assumptions on a system you specifically picked, results in a IRR of ~6% with a ROI of ~125%.
These results show you to be a liar and a fraud once again.
#20 Jun 13, 2013
You posted that for $30k you could save $100/month. How is that better than the $20k that saves $123/mo. Both are a bad deal but the community solar net metering development is better than doing your own project on your home.
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