Democrats try to shut down government...

Democrats try to shut down government AGAIN

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Rochester, VT

#1 Sep 21, 2013
Once again the Democrrats are out of touch with what it takes to grow a healthy economy. The slowest recovery in history and the Democrats still insist on funding the sacred cow that will cripple our economic engin.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/harry-r...
Atrueliberal

Brattleboro, VT

#2 Sep 21, 2013
The house has passed a bill. The senate should take it up and vote on it. Whether the government shuts down or not is in the hands of the Senate democrats.
Or Not

Brattleboro, VT

#3 Sep 21, 2013
Will this showdown be the 42nd or 43rd failed attempt to defund the ACA?
Free 4 me

Rochester, VT

#4 Sep 22, 2013
Or Not wrote:
Will this showdown be the 42nd or 43rd failed attempt to defund the ACA?
We can't afford Obama Care as designed and continue our same level of governments programming and debt. It's not politics, it's mathematics/economics. ADA passed in 1982 has yet to even come close to full funding for example. The promis was 40%. febp.newamerica.net/.../individuals-disabilit... ...
Jul 10, 2013 - Under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA), federal special education funds are distributed through three state grant ... In fiscal year 2013, which covers the school year 2012-2013, total IDEA funding was $11.98 billion,...

We can't fund what we have, how will we fund Obamacare!
Or Not

Brattleboro, VT

#5 Sep 22, 2013
Guess we'll see after the 42nd failed attempt.
Free 4 me

Rochester, VT

#6 Sep 22, 2013
Like I said, passing a law is very different than having the ability to pay for it. The burden falls on the school districts and states in the case of ADA because the federal government can't.
I Know More Than You

Woolwich, ME

#7 Sep 22, 2013
ConcernTroll wrote:
because the federal government can't.
Can't and won't are two different things.

Keep wringing your hands about it though.
Free 4 me

Rochester, VT

#8 Sep 22, 2013
IDEA I Meant
Free 4 me

Rochester, VT

#9 Sep 22, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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Can't and won't are two different things.
Keep wringing your hands about it though.
Try again when you understand the conversation.
Free 4 me

Rochester, VT

#11 Sep 22, 2013
Did the President not just appeal to raise the debt ceiling.
Or Not

Brattleboro, VT

#12 Sep 22, 2013
The ADA passed in 1990 and ADA Amendments Act passed in 2008. http://www.ada.gov/2010_regs.htm

The top 7 farm subsidy districts that collected over $61.3 Billion (1995-2012)are districts with Republican Representative in Congress.

http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php...

But the House in July 2013 did manage to pass billions in subsidies for farmers and agribusinesses.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...

We have plenty of money to pay for that??
Or Not

Brattleboro, VT

#13 Sep 22, 2013
Free 4 me wrote:
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Try again when you understand the conversation.
Pot, meet Kettle.
and for me

South Burlington, VT

#14 Sep 22, 2013
Free 4 me wrote:
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Try again when you understand the conversation.
The problem is that they really don’t understand.

Let’s make it more relevant and put it on a micro scale instead.


Every year Entergy Vermont Yankee donates about $500,000 to non-profit organizations in the area. The company will be producing energy through 2014 and we expect the company to maintain the same level of support through next year. But as the number of employee’s drops in the coming years there likely will be a change in local charitable giving.
The United Way of Windham County is the largest recipient of Entergy Vermont Yankee's annual charitable gifts. The group gets about $120,000 every year through VY employee donations which are matched by the company. "This is going to be a huge hit to this community," says United Way of Windham County Executive Director Carmen Derby.
~Knowing that Vermont Yankee is shutting down and knowing that they are your largest contributors, do you: 1) Increase your programming and expenditures in order to serve those impacted by the closing. 2) Maintain current expenditures and programs at the same level and hope that the money turns up from somewhere. 3) Cut back on non-essential programs now in an effort to maintain the most critical programs in the future?
and for me

South Burlington, VT

#15 Sep 22, 2013
Or Not wrote:
The ADA passed in 1990 and ADA Amendments Act passed in 2008. http://www.ada.gov/2010_regs.htm
The top 7 farm subsidy districts that collected over $61.3 Billion (1995-2012)are districts with Republican Representative in Congress.
http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php...
But the House in July 2013 did manage to pass billions in subsidies for farmers and agribusinesses.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...
We have plenty of money to pay for that??
She corrected to "IDEA" in a subsequent post (oops you missed that)

But yes you essentially grasped the point. To afford Obama Care without raising the debt ceiling and saddling our grandkids with it, we must cut deeply (or eliminate) sacred party partisan programs that are not critical to the wellbeing of our nation. Obama Care is an easily recognizable flashpoint and for that reason it is being held up for examination. Our government wastes millions on unproven programming all the time and we should make the first cuts there; but we can’t seem to reach an agreement on which programs get the ax. The choice we are left with is to not increase spending when revenue is flat or decreasing and Obama Care is an easy fat cow of a target. Why hunt mountain lion when you can hunt a cow?
I Know More Than You

Woolwich, ME

#16 Sep 22, 2013
and for me wrote:
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She corrected to "IDEA" in a subsequent post (oops you missed that)
But yes you essentially grasped the point. To afford Obama Care without raising the debt ceiling and saddling our grandkids with it, we must cut deeply (or eliminate) sacred party partisan programs that are not critical to the wellbeing of our nation. Obama Care is an easily recognizable flashpoint and for that reason it is being held up for examination. Our government wastes millions on unproven programming all the time and we should make the first cuts there; but we can’t seem to reach an agreement on which programs get the ax. The choice we are left with is to not increase spending when revenue is flat or decreasing and Obama Care is an easy fat cow of a target. Why hunt mountain lion when you can hunt a cow?
Get used to it, the Affordable Care Act isn't going away no matter how much the dimwitted teabaggers who have hijacked what's left of the Republican party and their ignorant followers may whine about it.
Dream on

South Burlington, VT

#17 Sep 22, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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Get used to it, the Affordable Care Act isn't going away no matter how much the dimwitted teabaggers who have hijacked what's left of the Republican party and their ignorant followers may whine about it.
And money grows on trees in your universe.
Dream on

South Burlington, VT

#18 Sep 22, 2013
Affordable Health Care Act is a misnomer, it can't be affordable when we our President is planning on increasing debt to pay for it.
I Know More Than You

Woolwich, ME

#19 Sep 22, 2013
Troll on wrote:
Affordable Health Care Act is a misnomer, it can't be affordable when we our President is planning on increasing debt to pay for it.
You are going to need universal coverage if you keep gnashing your teeth like that...
Atrueliberal

Brattleboro, VT

#20 Sep 22, 2013
Or Not wrote:
Will this showdown be the 42nd or 43rd failed attempt to defund the ACA?
First attempt to defund it but it wouldn't matter if it was the 100th, it is a bad law and needs to be held up so changes to it can be made.
Atrueliberal

Brattleboro, VT

#21 Sep 22, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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You are going to need universal coverage if you keep gnashing your teeth like that...
You should be the one concerned as you are going to be the generation that inherits this massive debt being created. I know my children are very concerned. Maybe you aren't old enough to understand but you should be very concerned.

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