Making The Case For War
WWYD

Bethel, VT

#1 Aug 26, 2013
http://www.reformer.com/opinion/ci_23931012/r...

Has anyone read the Brattleboro Reformer editorial making a plea for staying out of Syria in spite of using the syrian government gassing its own people? It is very "Rand Paul".

How do you feel about the situation?

At a gas station in Brattleboro Vermont, a man filling up across from me asked how angry I was about our recently invading Iraq (I have a VT Vet plate). I told the man that before we were finished, we would be at war with Syria. He laughed in my face. Now that we are at the crossroads I agree with the editorial that I am tired of war and very worried for the future of our men and women living with the mental and physical consequences of deployment. The short term easy solution would be for the US to embrace isolation and remove ourselves from the region. But how do we live in a world of every man for himself? What are the consequences of standing on the sidelines and watching the murder of innocents, does that make us no better than the perpetrators? Do we keep to ourselves until the day they "bomb Pearl Harbor"? What will we do then?
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#2 Aug 26, 2013
With our enormous budget deal and massive cuts...how many planes, ships, tanks and soldiers you want to prematurely retire in order to pay for the billions itís going to cost us to fight Syria?

I donít think the Reformer stands for anything...all they want to do is to stay non-controversial to appease their advertising and stay touristy happyland for the sleepy readership.

These guys donít have a proactive moral or ethical voice...welcome to the abandoned desert of plain vanilla big corporate media...
WWYD

Bethel, VT

#3 Aug 26, 2013
How soon we forget 9/11, the real question is can we "afford" not to be involved? Your point about the Reformer is interesting though.
WWYD

Bethel, VT

#4 Aug 26, 2013
Syria crisis: UN inspectors' convoy hit by sniper fire
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-2...
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#5 Aug 26, 2013
It is muchĒ biggerĒ than national security and moral war making.

What kind of a world are we going to live in if we create a climate of artificial priorities, budgets, limitation...

We create limitations in order to set an agenda....

If limitations are what we set our lifeís sail to...if tens of millions of our lives are solely set by survival priorities?
WWYD

Bethel, VT

#6 Aug 26, 2013
"But in his latest comments on the crisis, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said any intervention in Syria without a UN mandate would be a "grave violation of international law".

Have we surrendered our sovereignty?

Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#7 Aug 26, 2013
Russian puffery...
WWYD

Bethel, VT

#8 Aug 26, 2013
Mike Mulligan wrote:
Russian puffery...
Or a new world order.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#9 Aug 26, 2013
Russia is a piss ant compared to us.

Fundimentally they lack independant or equal institutions as us...
Journey

Bethel, VT

#10 Aug 26, 2013
Mike Mulligan wrote:
Russia is a piss ant compared to us.
Fundimentally they lack independant or equal institutions as us...
And China?
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#11 Aug 26, 2013
So what is wrong with a new world order?

A set of principles which all the civilized nations agree to...world institutions which we all participate in...

A world wide commonality on the value of humanity?
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#12 Aug 26, 2013
I think China is in better shape than Russia...massive world trade and commerce that created gargantuan development and modernity...China knows that world interconnectivity and communication are going to only guarantee their future.

Enormous numbers of people in China woke up to the modern world.

Their institutions are weak...but their connections with the outside world are strong...
They yet havenít been tested in the mother of all existential crisis clothed in their new found development and modernity...

There is no going back to the old days with China...
Journey

Bethel, VT

#13 Aug 26, 2013
China has a good track record when it comes to profiting from recent U.S. military interventions. The U.S. may have done the heavy lifting in overthrowing the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, but once Afghanistan and Iraq were opened up, it was Chinese firms that profited from being able to compete for access to key natural resource deposits in both countries. And post-Arab Spring governments have deepened ties with Beijing as a form of geopolitical insurance against a warier Washington....
http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/1...
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#14 Aug 26, 2013
China can barely keep a half a step ahead of country wide riots and revolution...the awaking backward rural and isolated poverty stricken peoples...billions of them...if their economy canít keep up with giving them a better life.

Their panicky quest for outside resources is part of this...

You got to wish them good luck on their grand endeavor and help them in any way possible...

If China goes belly up, we go belly up...they are proverbial too big to fail. We are married to each other...

I donít ascribe to the up versus them philosophy ...if somebody else makes a few pennies off work then your turn them into enemies....

In many ways they are just like us!
Butch

Brattleboro, VT

#15 Aug 26, 2013
I'm #1 Tea Party Patriot

Looking forward to another campaign of SHOCK AND AWE!!! I just can't wait. War is the health of the economy and it should help turn things around economically.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#16 Aug 26, 2013
You know the only way to create deterrent for a future madman feeling his survival is at stake...is you are going to have to annihilate the military and government of Syria...

So far it seems Obama only has the guts to just do enough to not rile the American public.

Right, they did a test of openly using chemical weapons just a few months ago...we turned our eyes from it even when Obama dared Syria not to cross the red line.

Our destruction of Syria has to be breathtaking in scope for the good of our collective future...

The government of Syria has to collaspe within days and before a week is out...
Journey

Bethel, VT

#17 Aug 27, 2013
I don't understand, are there two Mike Mulligans posting?
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#18 Aug 27, 2013
Or really really, how many people are in Mike's mind...
Community Disorganizer

Newtown, CT

#20 Aug 27, 2013
Obozo is bucking for another Nobel Peace Price.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#21 Aug 28, 2013
Mike Mulligan wrote:
I think China is in better shape than Russia...massive world trade and commerce that created gargantuan development and modernity...China knows that world interconnectivity and communication are going to only guarantee their future.
Enormous numbers of people in China woke up to the modern world.
Their institutions are weak...but their connections with the outside world are strong...
They yet havenít been tested in the mother of all existential crisis clothed in their new found development and modernity...
There is no going back to the old days with China...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/opinion/loo...

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