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I Know More Than You

Holden, ME

#42 Aug 20, 2013
Fox News Idiot wrote:
There hasn't been a "tremendous decline in middle class....income level since 1969". What are the stats you have that say there has been. I remember 1969 very well. One car. One TV with 5 stations. No dinners out at restaurants. One telephone which sat on the living room table.
If people lived with the same requirements they had in 1969 the would be rich.
Why don't you provide some proof for once instead of pretending that we measure income by the number of TV channels we receive.
Boogie

Brattleboro, VT

#43 Aug 20, 2013
Mike Mulligan wrote:
Right, this isn’t smart, all it is is cut and paste...
You have to be able to better than that. After all you aren't a teen like IKMTY.
Boogie

Brattleboro, VT

#44 Aug 20, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you provide some proof for once instead of pretending that we measure income by the number of TV channels we receive.
Proof of what? No one said we measure income by the number of channels we receive. What the idiot said and you are defending is the commonly stated falsehood that somehow people had more income in the 1960's. You and Mike make a good couple.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#45 Aug 20, 2013
Why, nothing I bring up you won't believe?
I Know More Than You

Holden, ME

#46 Aug 20, 2013
Fox News Idiot wrote:
Proof of what? No one said we measure income by the number of channels we receive. What the idiot said and you are defending is the commonly stated falsehood that somehow people had more income in the 1960's. You and Mike make a good couple.
As usual, all bark and no bite.

Try following your own advice for once.
Quit WhiningAnd Get A Job

Newton Center, MA

#47 Aug 20, 2013
In the early 60's when Obama was a baby - Joe the average trained and decent paid laborer made $3.00 an hour
Today- Joe the average trained and decent paid laborer makes $17.50 an hour
Joe back then could get the same amount of necessities like his food & gas mileage on his car etc. as today!
Back then gas was .25 cents a gallon and the average car got half the mileage of todays (15 mpg) so Joe went 30 miles down the road to his job and back (60 mi.) with only $1.25 in gas
which leaves $2.75. His lunch at the cheap diner was only $1.25 and that leaves $1.50 for his food to bring home, the .50 cent gallon of milk and the .55 cents for the dozen eggs and the .45 cent loaf of cheap bread

Modern Joe with his hour's pay of $17.50 can also get 60 miles on his 30 mpg car for 2 gallons at $3.70 a gallon ($7.40) leaving $10.10
His lunch is at McDonald's dollar menu specials, a side salad and chicken sandwich and fries totals $3.30 leaving $6.80 for the $3.00 gallon of milk and the $1.50 eggs and the $2.30 loaf of cheap bread.
So whats the problem?

(OK besides the fact that the job is more scarce today thanks to the job-killing unfair trade scams benefitting the 'New World Order' global banksters like NAFTA & GATT which caused the outsourcing of many jobs and the sellout of our economy and destruction of the dollar by those global elite who own and run the unconstitutional private centrals banks like the U.S. "Federal" Reserve)
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#48 Aug 20, 2013
most of the jobs since the 2008 collpse ha been part jobs and lower pay..expanding 20 and 30 hour per week jobs.

That wasn't the 1960s I know...
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#49 Aug 20, 2013
most of the jobs since the 2008 collspse has been part time jobs and lower pay..expanding 20 and 30 hour per week jobs.

That wasn't the 1960s I know...
Joe

Chester, VT

#50 Aug 20, 2013
Boogie wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really but that doesn't mean that I can't see the folly in my own life. If we all did live that way we would be better off. Sent from my ipad.
Biff & Muffy the yuppies zoned out the so called middle class. Try building a 1950's subdivision today and see how far you get once the NIMBY nuts get involved. Plus nobody will build 1,000 square foot homes anymore, they try and build as big a house as they can on every lot they can build on.

State and local tax collection in 1980 was $370 billion, last years it was $2.5 trillion. Biff & Muffy the yuppies went on a government spending frenzy and drove taxes threw the roof and jobs out of the country.

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/statelocal...

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/

http://economyincrisis.org/

http://endoftheamericandream.com/
Joe

Chester, VT

#51 Aug 20, 2013
Quit WhiningAnd Get A Job wrote:
In the early 60's when Obama was a baby - Joe the average trained and decent paid laborer made $3.00 an hour
Today- Joe the average trained and decent paid laborer makes $17.50 an hour

His lunch is at McDonald's dollar menu specials, a side salad and U.S. "Federal" Reserve for desert
In 1960 Joe kept most of his money, now he forks over most of it in taxes if he can find a $17.50 an hour job which isn't likely.
$35,000 a year before taxes is poverty with a wife and 2 kids.

"Vermont ranks eighth in pretax wage equivalent of the welfare benefit package, at $42,350."
"Vermont ranks eighth in the hourly wage a full time worker would have to earn to receive the after tax benefits:$20.36."

http://www.benningtonbanner.com/columnists/ci...

If it's that great and so simple why don't more people sign up ?

http://7dvt.com/2013gimme-shelter-vermont-seq...

They need to sign up for more of the 80 means tested government programs that just pass out money.
Boogie

Brattleboro, VT

#52 Aug 21, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual, all bark and no bite.
Try following your own advice for once.
Feel free to produce the "facts" that contradict my post. I already know you can't. Just like doing a financial analysis of a solar project. You can't do it. Don't feel bad though. Most 15 year olds can't do one either. Or are you 16 now?
Bruce

Brattleboro, VT

#53 Aug 21, 2013
WHAT MUST BE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT THERE IS USUALLY ANOTHER SIDE TO ALL THE MEDIA STORIES.
THOSE OF US WHO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON ARE AWARE OF HOW TRULY WARPED THE LARGER
SOCIETY IS. THINK OF SOME PEOPLE'S OBSESSION WITH USING THE WHIP AS A SEXUAL TOOL AS WELL
AS THE BONDAGE AND SADO MASOCHISM GROUPS OUT THERE; PUT INTO THAT THE LOUSY JUNK DIETS,
ENTERTAINMENT INTAKES, MESSED UP HORMONES (WHORE MOANS?) AND YOU HAVE A PARTICULARLY
TOXIC MIX!!! ALSO THINK OF THE EGG SUCKING DOG--INCURABLE....THE ASS LICKING AND GENERAL
ORAL TONGUE FETISH WITH PIERCING ALL OVER THE PLACE FROM THE TONGUE TO THE CROTCH TO THE
LIPS, NOSE, EYELIDS....NEED I SAY MORE??? AND WITH OBAMACARE JUST AROUND THE CORNER AND
FINANCIAL TROUBLES.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#54 Aug 21, 2013
Bruce wrote:
WHAT MUST BE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT THERE IS USUALLY ANOTHER SIDE TO ALL THE MEDIA STORIES.
THOSE OF US WHO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON ARE AWARE OF HOW TRULY WARPED THE LARGER
SOCIETY IS. THINK OF SOME PEOPLE'S OBSESSION WITH USING THE WHIP AS A SEXUAL TOOL AS WELL
AS THE BONDAGE AND SADO MASOCHISM GROUPS OUT THERE; PUT INTO THAT THE LOUSY JUNK DIETS,
ENTERTAINMENT INTAKES, MESSED UP HORMONES (WHORE MOANS?) AND YOU HAVE A PARTICULARLY
TOXIC MIX!!! ALSO THINK OF THE EGG SUCKING DOG--INCURABLE....THE ASS LICKING AND GENERAL
ORAL TONGUE FETISH WITH PIERCING ALL OVER THE PLACE FROM THE TONGUE TO THE CROTCH TO THE
LIPS, NOSE, EYELIDS....NEED I SAY MORE??? AND WITH OBAMACARE JUST AROUND THE CORNER AND
FINANCIAL TROUBLES.
Come on,censor him. What are you waiting for?
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#55 Aug 21, 2013
(so mine will stay)

Come on,censor him? What are you waiting for?
Get some perspective

Brattleboro, VT

#56 Aug 21, 2013
It was announced today that just a quarter of this year’s high school graduates who took the ACT tests have the reading, math, English and science skills they need to succeed in college or a career, according to data the testing company released Wednesday.

That's nationally. We are failing as a nation, this isn't just a VT issue.
Dam Right

Brattleboro, VT

#57 Aug 22, 2013
We need to make our schools like rich kid's private schools.

Money is no object...
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#58 Aug 22, 2013
oops
No lie

Bethel, VT

#59 Aug 22, 2013
Get some perspective wrote:
It was announced today that just a quarter of this year’s high school graduates who took the ACT tests have the reading, math, English and science skills they need to succeed in college or a career, according to data the testing company released Wednesday.
That's nationally. We are failing as a nation, this isn't just a VT issue.
I don't live in the rest of the nation, I live in Vermont. It isn't enough to point fingers at others poor performance to justify our own failings. Are you advocating a race to the bottom?
Perspective

Brattleboro, VT

#60 Aug 22, 2013
Uh, no. I'm not even slightly advocating that. The point is that some folks here tend to push the idea that somehow Vermont is faring much worse that the rest of the nation. Which is not true. We of course need to strive to very much improve things in Vermont. But not get into these pity/blame fests, usually underpinned by political hatreds.

I look forward to hear how you redefine what I said this time though.
Joe

Chester, VT

#61 Aug 22, 2013
Dam Right wrote:
We need to make our schools like rich kid's private schools.
Money is no object...
Typical boomer, he thinks money fixes everything.
Reality is Bush babies don't fail and they have an incentive to do their school work, daddy will hook them up if they get a degree.
There is only so many spots at the top and the Bush Babies will get them no matter how much is spent on education.

The American lottery system is rigged so Bush babies always get a winning ticket and for show the masters of the money let a few peasants win so it doesn't look rigged and sucker nation falls for it.

Keep the suckers dreaming they will win or their children will win or their grandchildren will win and work the suckers to death while robbing them blind and have some shrills to yell commie or socialist stuff if any other the peasants even mentions it's all a scam besides the one that works for the 1 percent.

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