I Know More Than You

Laconia, NH

#101 May 8, 2013
Scotty the Git wrote:
I've done nothing except insult others and refuse to discuss things rationally yet make demands of other posters which I am unwilling to do myself.
Thanks for making my point yet again.

How's that analysis coming?

Ready to actually start having a discussion?

I didn't think so.
Markiemark

Bennington, VT

#102 May 9, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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Thanks for making my point yet again.
How's that analysis coming?
Ready to actually start having a discussion?
I didn't think so.
Ready. You were defending solar power DIY projects. Give me the payback analysis so we can discuss it.
I Know More Than You

Laconia, NH

#103 May 9, 2013
Markiemark aka Fox News Idiot wrote:
Ready. You were defending solar power DIY projects. Give me the payback analysis so we can discuss it.
I gave you a payback analysis. Evaluate it or shut the fark up.
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Brandon, VT

#104 May 10, 2013
"New hydro can take anywhere from 5 to 15+ years to get licensed....

And with the current FERC leadership preferring natural gas plants over all other generation sources to back up wind, it is highly doubtful significant new hydro would be licensed....permitting new hydro would be close to impossible. This is probably why upgrading existing hydro is more popular."

http://yesvy.blogspot.com/2013/05/hydro-some-...
I Know More Than You

Laconia, NH

#105 May 10, 2013
I Am A Moron wrote:
"New hydro can take anywhere from 5 to 15+ years to get licensed....
And with the current FERC leadership preferring natural gas plants over all other generation sources to back up wind, it is highly doubtful significant new hydro would be licensed....permitting new hydro would be close to impossible. This is probably why upgrading existing hydro is more popular."
http://yesvy.blogspot.com/2013/05/hydro-some-...
Do you just quote her blog at random hoping it might be useful since you are too stupid to make your own conclusions?
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Brandon, VT

#106 May 10, 2013
Markiemark wrote:
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Ready. You were defending solar power DIY projects. Give me the payback analysis so we can discuss it.
I looked into this some years ago and was told by a rep from southern VT that cost value depended on the number in the household / consumption. After some discussion, he thought that it would take anywhere from 15 to 20 years for us to break even (not inclusive of interest on loans). So the reason to convert really came down to an ideology of, "do it because it's the right thing to do (environmentally)". Well I think that it has been shown that claim is called into question as well...he was a salesman of the product after all.
Markiemark

Bennington, VT

#107 May 10, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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I gave you a payback analysis. Evaluate it or shut the fark up.
You didn't give me an analysis. You gave me a link to a site where part of the analysis could be done and it was a site which had a pro solar bias.

Have fun at school today.
I Know More Than You

Laconia, NH

#108 May 10, 2013
I Am A Moron wrote:
I looked into this some years ago and was told by a rep from southern VT that cost value depended on the number in the household / consumption. After some discussion, he thought that it would take anywhere from 15 to 20 years for us to break even (not inclusive of interest on loans). So the reason to convert really came down to an ideology of, "do it because it's the right thing to do (environmentally)". Well I think that it has been shown that claim is called into question as well...he was a salesman of the product after all.
Wow, someone told you something once. That's pretty compelling.

Use any one of the calculators out there, run your own numbers, then get back to us with your assumptions and results.

Oh wait, that would take some smarts and a little bit of effort so you won't bother.
I Know More Than You

Laconia, NH

#109 May 10, 2013
Markiemark aka Fox News Idiot wrote:
You didn't give me an analysis. You gave me a link to a site where part of the analysis could be done and it was a site which had a pro solar bias.
Have fun at school today.
If it had a such a "pro solar bias" and was using fraudulent numbers, it should be trivial for you to do a simple analysis of how the calculator was gaming the numbers since it's just simple math.

Oh wait, you're the liar and fraud here so I guess I will never see your counter analysis. Just like I will never see that link to Romney's college transcripts you swore you saw.
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Brandon, VT

#110 May 10, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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Wow, someone told you something once. That's pretty compelling.
Use any one of the calculators out there, run your own numbers, then get back to us with your assumptions and results.
Oh wait, that would take some smarts and a little bit of effort so you won't bother.
Do those calculators include feed in tariffs and all the layers upon layers upon layers of fees & taxpayer money used to prop it up, or do they work with real costs instead? You didn't provide a link to any of those calculators you mentioned, please provide one with actual costs subtracting inflated utility rates paid to solar.
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Brandon, VT

#111 May 10, 2013
The average 5-kWh system costs $30,000 with system design, equipment, and installation2. With financing, the Incentive Rebate, and the Federal Tax Credit, this system can be as low as $18,375. Here’s how:
1.16% off the total cost with the Vermont Small Scale Renewable Energy Incentive Program: This standout “Incentive Program” offers Vermont solar PV and hot water customers a cash rebate of 75 cents per watt of solar capacity (energy generated by the system) installed. Your installer will handle the paperwork, and simply deduct this amount from the overall price of the system. At the current 75 cents per Watt rebate, that is $3,750 off the total cost3.
2.Another 30% off the total cost with the Federal Tax Credit for solar energy systems: The federal government offers a 30% Income Tax Credit for solar PV and hot water systems to eligible homeowners and businesses with taxable income. This is equal to $7,875, and is in addition to the Incentive Rebate.
3.Then it’s free: After the system is paid off, your electricity will be 90-100% free!
http://www.revermont.org/main/vermont-solar-c...
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Brandon, VT

#112 May 10, 2013
Like I said before, it's a money sucking scam.
Amount of Sunshine Vermont Gets Each Month
http://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Vermont...
Sure looks like we’re going to need backup power and I really don’t think that's going to be "free" unless you know of another government payback program that I am unaware of....
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Brandon, VT

#113 May 10, 2013
So that's 2295 hours or 159 days of sun a year in VT. What shall we do about the other 206 days?
I Know More Than You

Laconia, NH

#114 May 10, 2013
I Am A Moron wrote:
Do those calculators include feed in tariffs and all the layers upon layers upon layers of fees & taxpayer money used to prop it up, or do they work with real costs instead? You didn't provide a link to any of those calculators you mentioned, please provide one with actual costs subtracting inflated utility rates paid to solar.
Of course the calculator included the current the incentives, just because you don't like them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Try reading the whole thread for a change and you will see the link.

Do you give the grocery store another $3+ per gallon of milk because the subsidies given to dairy farms keep the price low? I didn't think so.

Here's an idea, why don't YOU post a link (or provide your own cash flow analysis) instead of expecting the harder working, smarter people to keep supporting you ignorant teabaggers.
I Know More Than You

Laconia, NH

#115 May 10, 2013
I Am A Moron wrote:
Like I said before, it's a money sucking scam.
Amount of Sunshine Vermont Gets Each Month
http://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Vermont...
Sure looks like we’re going to need backup power and I really don’t think that's going to be "free" unless you know of another government payback program that I am unaware of....
I had hoped you weren't so stupid that you actually thought I was proposing to replace our baseload power plants with residential solar but I guess I was wrong.

Here's a hint, I'm not proposing that so quit making strawman arguments.
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Brandon, VT

#116 May 10, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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Of course the calculator included the current the incentives, just because you don't like them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Try reading the whole thread for a change and you will see the link.
Do you give the grocery store another $3+ per gallon of milk because the subsidies given to dairy farms keep the price low? I didn't think so.
Here's an idea, why don't YOU post a link (or provide your own cash flow analysis) instead of expecting the harder working, smarter people to keep supporting you ignorant teabaggers.
So what you are saying is that you agree me again, that if I install Solar, I am in fact paying twice for the system in order to have the government redistribute a bit of my own money back to me and to pay entirely for those homeowners systems who don't pay into the governments circular system because they are low income and actually do get it for free; and If I don't choose to purchase solar I am still compelled into buying solar for those who are ignorant of the scam and decide to buy...sounds like a lose lose to me.
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Brandon, VT

#117 May 10, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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I had hoped you weren't so stupid that you actually thought I was proposing to replace our baseload power plants with residential solar but I guess I was wrong.
Here's a hint, I'm not proposing that so quit making strawman arguments.
Nice try on a spin, but I was speaking to individual private ownership.
I Know More Than You

Laconia, NH

#118 May 10, 2013
I Am A Moron wrote:
So what you are saying is that you agree me again, that if I install Solar, I am in fact paying twice for the system in order to have the government redistribute a bit of my own money back to me and to pay entirely for those homeowners systems who don't pay into the governments circular system because they are low income and actually do get it for free; and If I don't choose to purchase solar I am still compelled into buying solar for those who are ignorant of the scam and decide to buy...sounds like a lose lose to me.
Of course I don't agree with you. That's has to be one of the worst summaries I've seen posted here and that saying a lot.

Solar has subsidies, nuclear has subsidies, coal has subsidies, oil has subsidies, corn has subsidies, and so on and so on.

The gov't has always used tax policy along with incentives, subsidies, etc. to help and promote industries and/or behaviors. Why do you hate solar so much more than the others?

I noticed you still haven't provided any supporting analysis. I have a feeling you never will.
NukedomRipsEwe OffBigtime

Bellows Falls, VT

#119 May 10, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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Of course I don't agree with you. That's has to be one of the worst summaries I've seen posted here and that saying a lot.
Solar has subsidies, nuclear has subsidies, coal has subsidies, oil has subsidies, corn has subsidies, and so on and so on.
The gov't has always used tax policy along with incentives, subsidies, etc. to help and promote industries and/or behaviors. Why do you hate solar so much more than the others?
I noticed you still haven't provided any supporting analysis. I have a feeling you never will.
nuclear has the HIGHEST % of $ub$idie$ of em all
So far we've been lucky that no solar panel arrays have ever had a meltdown causing mega-cancers in people
I Know More Than You

Laconia, NH

#120 May 10, 2013
Village Idiot wrote:
nuclear has the HIGHEST % of $ub$idie$ of em all
Go peddle your lies somewhere else moron, preferably in traffic.

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