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Boogie

Brattleboro, VT

#102 Aug 31, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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Wake me up when you post the link where IBM actually announces it's leaving VT because VY is shutting down. Should be easy now that Entergy has actually announced it, right?
Being a stupid ideologue is no way to go through life.
And you know because you are an ideologue and you get your head handed to you on a regular basis.
Best of VT

Bethel, VT

#104 Aug 31, 2013
"Yes, because every business wants just two things in order to be successful, unreliable inadiquate very expensive energy costs and the slowest most difficult path possible to get its employees to work and products to market. IBM is ecstatic with the business environment in the state....they may never leave." Peter Shumlin
The Fix

Bethel, VT

#105 Aug 31, 2013
Transmission Upgrades to Ensure Grid Reliability Without Vermont Yankee

In many news reports, such as this one in the Burlington Free Press, the Vermont Electric Power Company (VELCO) who manages the transmission system, VELCO, has made statements about how the grid is going to be okay without Vermont Yankee.

Recently, I have found these statements more interesting, or perhaps, more ominous than I would have expected. Here's the main statement, echoed in many articles, but extracted from the Burlington Free Press article above with emphasis added by the blogger:

Christopher Dutton, president and chief executive officer of Vermont Electric Power Co. Inc., or VELCO, which manages the state’s electric transmission system, said his organization has been anticipating Vermont Yankee’s closing since 2010.

“From both a transmission grid reliability perspective and from a generation reliability perspective, Vermont Yankee’s closure will not have any adverse effect,” Dutton said.

VELCO and ISO New England, responsible for the wholesale electricity market throughout New England, identified about $30 million of projects that needed to be done to compensate for Vermont Yankee’s closing, Dutton said. He said all of those projects, except for a small upgrade on five miles of transmission lines in the southeast corner of Vermont connecting to Massachusetts, have been completed.

So, of all the gin joints in all...I mean, in all the possible transmission projects that VELCO could have done, they did this one. For VELCO, getting ready for Vermont Yankee to close took a very high priority. Interesting. And this started pretty much when Shumlin began his heavy campaign against Vermont Yankee, and when Green Mountain Power (owned by Gaz Metro, and a strong supporter of Shumlin) began to dominate the VELCO decision-making (VELCO is owned by the various utilities).

At the time the utilities were merging in Vermont, with Green Mountain Power (Gaz Metro) buying Central Vermont Public Service, there was a great deal of concern about Gaz Metro dominating VELCO. There were fears that this dominance would lead to transmission planning that hurt the smaller Vermont utilities (mostly cooperatives). The answer (not much of an answer really) was some kind of citizen-representative on the VELCO board.
http://yesvy.blogspot.com/2013/08/questions-i...
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#106 Aug 31, 2013
The Fix wrote:
Transmission Upgrades to Ensure Grid Reliability Without Vermont Yankee
In many news reports, such as this one in the Burlington Free Press, the Vermont Electric Power Company (VELCO) who manages the transmission system, VELCO, has made statements about how the grid is going to be okay without Vermont Yankee.
Recently, I have found these statements more interesting, or perhaps, more ominous than I would have expected. Here's the main statement, echoed in many articles, but extracted from the Burlington Free Press article above with emphasis added by the blogger:
Christopher Dutton, president and chief executive officer of Vermont Electric Power Co. Inc., or VELCO, which manages the state’s electric transmission system, said his organization has been anticipating Vermont Yankee’s closing since 2010.
“From both a transmission grid reliability perspective and from a generation reliability perspective, Vermont Yankee’s closure will not have any adverse effect,” Dutton said.
VELCO and ISO New England, responsible for the wholesale electricity market throughout New England, identified about $30 million of projects that needed to be done to compensate for Vermont Yankee’s closing, Dutton said. He said all of those projects, except for a small upgrade on five miles of transmission lines in the southeast corner of Vermont connecting to Massachusetts, have been completed.
So, of all the gin joints in all...I mean, in all the possible transmission projects that VELCO could have done, they did this one. For VELCO, getting ready for Vermont Yankee to close took a very high priority. Interesting. And this started pretty much when Shumlin began his heavy campaign against Vermont Yankee, and when Green Mountain Power (owned by Gaz Metro, and a strong supporter of Shumlin) began to dominate the VELCO decision-making (VELCO is owned by the various utilities).
At the time the utilities were merging in Vermont, with Green Mountain Power (Gaz Metro) buying Central Vermont Public Service, there was a great deal of concern about Gaz Metro dominating VELCO. There were fears that this dominance would lead to transmission planning that hurt the smaller Vermont utilities (mostly cooperatives). The answer (not much of an answer really) was some kind of citizen-representative on the VELCO board.
http://yesvy.blogspot.com/2013/08/questions-i...
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/brattleboro-v...
Scotty

Brattleboro, VT

#107 Sep 1, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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Thanks for proving my point that you are stupid and a liar.
From your link:
"Tiger was both ungrammatical (IBM is an ‘it’, not a ‘they’) and inaccurate. Bombardier perhaps hinted in spin-doctor/corporate-bureaucr atese American. She never plainly declared that IBM would close the plant if Vermont Yankee closes its doors.
And the plant’s public spokesman, Jeff Couture, said (via e-mail),“we have never said that IBM would leave Vermont if Vermont Yankee closes. We said that we are concerned about the rising cost of electricity in Vermont, which is likely to go higher if or when Vermont Yankee closes.”
That’s essentially what Tim Baechle, IBM’s Manager of Energy, Environmental and Chemical Programs, told House Natural Resources and Energy Committee Chairman Tony Klein last week."
Market forces outside the control of Montpelier have rendered the power cost issue moot. IBM isn't going anywhere because of VY, come up with another red herring.
Oh really? Montpelier doesn't control the SPEED program which has caused rates to go up? Montpelier includes the PSB you ninny.
I Know More Than You

Holden, ME

#108 Sep 1, 2013
Fox News Idiot wrote:
Oh really? Montpelier doesn't control the SPEED program which has caused rates to go up? Montpelier includes the PSB you ninny.
Apparently that point sailed right over your pointy little head. Why am I not surprised.

Still waiting for that link to the IBM announcement that they are leaving VT since VY announced they will be shutting down.

I have a feeling that this will play out the same as your Romney transcript lie.
I Know More Than You

Holden, ME

#109 Sep 1, 2013
Fox News Idiot wrote:
Of course they didn't blame Shumlin. It would not be smart for Entergy even if it is true. Why is it lying if you didn't give your whole analysis in the press release?
Again my naiveté shows through.
Why am I not surprised that you have a different definition of lying that everyone who is not a pathological liar?

http://digital.vpr.net/post/citing-economics-...

In Vernon, William Mohl, Entergy’s president of nuclear operations, said the news brought tears from some long-time employees. Mohl blamed the closure on the energy market, not the ongoing legal battle with the state.

“This decision was based on the economics of the plant. Not operational performance. Not litigation risk, nor political pressure,” he said.“Simply put, the plant costs exceed the plant revenue and this asset is not financially viable.”
Community Disorganizer

Newtown, CT

#110 Sep 1, 2013
“This decision was based on the economics of the plant. Not operational performance. Not litigation risk, nor political pressure,” he said.“Simply put, the plant costs exceed the plant revenue and this asset is not financially viable.”

Sound like a quote IBM will be issuing when they start packing their bags.
I Know More Than You

Holden, ME

#111 Sep 1, 2013
Community Disorganizer wrote:
“This decision was based on the economics of the plant. Not operational performance. Not litigation risk, nor political pressure,” he said.“Simply put, the plant costs exceed the plant revenue and this asset is not financially viable.”
Sound like a quote IBM will be issuing when they start packing their bags.
I'm still waiting for the link to the IBM announcement that they are walking away from a multibillion dollar facility because VY is shutting down on ~15 months.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#112 Sep 1, 2013
So why is the NEISO market 20% higher this Sunday than last Sunday!
Scott

Brattleboro, VT

#113 Sep 1, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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Apparently that point sailed right over your pointy little head. Why am I not surprised.
Still waiting for that link to the IBM announcement that they are leaving VT since VY announced they will be shutting down.
I have a feeling that this will play out the same as your Romney transcript lie.
I never made a post involving IBM except to say that maybe the democrats in Montpelier will drive them out of state next. Once VY is gone they will find someone else to pick on guaranteed. Not every poster who disagrees with you is the same person knucklehead.
Scott

Brattleboro, VT

#114 Sep 1, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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Why am I not surprised that you have a different definition of lying that everyone who is not a pathological liar?
http://digital.vpr.net/post/citing-economics-...
In Vernon, William Mohl, Entergy’s president of nuclear operations, said the news brought tears from some long-time employees. Mohl blamed the closure on the energy market, not the ongoing legal battle with the state.
“This decision was based on the economics of the plant. Not operational performance. Not litigation risk, nor political pressure,” he said.“Simply put, the plant costs exceed the plant revenue and this asset is not financially viable.”
You are so stupid your parents must be embarrassed to call your their kid. You should get a little more experience before you post. Why don't you wait until you are out of high school at least.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#115 Sep 1, 2013
Right, VY deserves to be shut down. We don’t deserve to have the NEISO we got.
StJohnSaid IBM WouldLeave

Newton Center, MA

#116 Sep 1, 2013
"...Vermont summer-resident/economist August St. John predicting, in the 1970’s and ‘80’s, that IBM would soon be focusing future investment away from its governmental-problem-scarred Essex Junction site to friendlier fields (Fishkill) in the Hudson River valley. The phrase he used for ending investment and shrinking employment was “withering on the vine”, avoiding a bluntly overt shut-down for image and political reasons, but steadily reducing its value until eventual disposal became easier."
http://truenorthreports.com/exeunt-negotium
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Is this where the IBM - VY supposed connection notion comes from?
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Among other prognostications in the future-economy-of-Vermont area, he [St. John] predicted (and was hooted at) that IBM would find Vermont a progressively (pun intended) less attractive as a place for capital investment and job-creation, and that Big Blue would therefore divert such future efforts elsewhere. Fishkill subsequently proved him right.
At a hearing on the Shumlin-engineered Senate demand that Entergy put up double, again, the $400 million that they already have escrowed to decommission Vermont Yankee at some point in the future, Shumlin called IBM lobbyist John O'Kane a liar. Shumlin claimed that O'Kane lied when he said that Vermont Yankee would have to come up with significant cash, now, to meet the requirements of the bill. O'Kane was insulted and left the hearing as Shumlin began to realize what a gaffe he had just pulled and started furiously backpedaling.

"This time, though, he [Shumlin] went beyond his typical anti-nuke rant and insulted a representative of Vermont's largest employer."

http://www.truenorthradio.com/editorials/edit...
Native Vermonter

South Burlington, VT

#117 Sep 2, 2013
“The current [upward] trajectory of electricity prices is likely to continue as Vermont mandates production from much more expensive renewables and provides a variety of subsidies to producers of renewable energy. Electricity from wind can cost up to 20 cents per kilowatt hour and solar between 20 and 30 cents. Compare that to the current wholesale price of electricity from Hydro-Quebec, which costs about six cents per kilowatt hour [similarly for natural gas]. Vermont recently decided not to purchase electricity from the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, which was selling electricity to the state for less than five cents a kilowatt hour”(Electricity Prices in Vt Among Nation’s Highest).

Vermonters should only be paying 8˘/kWhr, not the 18˘/kWhr they’re paying now, nor the 20˘/kWhr they’ll be paying in the next few years.

Who Told Vermont to be Stupid. Forbes.com
Community Disorganizer

Newtown, CT

#118 Sep 2, 2013
"Who Told Vermont to be Stupid."

Nobody, it's comes natural to the NIMBYs and aging burnt out hippies!
I Know More Than You

Holden, ME

#119 Sep 2, 2013
Fox News Idiot wrote:
You are so stupid your parents must be embarrassed to call your their kid. You should get a little more experience before you post. Why don't you wait until you are out of high school at least.
So predictable...

Every time you are caught in yet another lie or post something ignorant and get called on it, your only recourse is insults.
Scott

Brattleboro, VT

#120 Sep 3, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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So predictable...
Every time you are caught in yet another lie or post something ignorant and get called on it, your only recourse is insults.
I resort to insults only because it is the only language ignorant teenagers understand. Your intelligence is so limited you don't know what you don't even know. How does someone get so arrogant like you are when you have barely lived a decade and a half. What do you think? That you will have learned everything you need to know by next year? Typical teenage liberal.
Scott

Brattleboro, VT

#121 Sep 3, 2013
Scott wrote:
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You are so stupid your parents must be embarrassed to call your their kid. You should get a little more experience before you post. Why don't you wait until you are out of high school at least.
As for what I posted. I clearly said that it would not be in the best interests of Entergy to say that Vermont was a procuring cause of the shutdown. Even if it was true. To not say it is not lying. To not say it is judicious. Being judicious is something you don't have enough experience or education to understand.
I Know More Than You

Holden, ME

#122 Sep 4, 2013
Fox News Idiot wrote:
As for what I posted. I clearly said that it would not be in the best interests of Entergy to say that Vermont was a procuring cause of the shutdown. Even if it was true. To not say it is not lying. To not say it is judicious. Being judicious is something you don't have enough experience or education to understand.
It's clear you never even watched the news conference or read the transcripts before shooting your mouth off (or you are too stupid to comprehend what they said, it's a toss up.)

You got caught by me yet again and have done nothing but fire off insults ever since. Business as usual.

Keep blaming those socialists in Montpelier if it helps you sleep at night.

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