Agnostic

Brattleboro, VT

#145 Jan 4, 2013
Reality wrote:
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Who said science has all the answers? Not me.
I said that science has the best answers because when new evidence comes to light, unlike religious delusions, science adjusts it's answers.
Being agnostic requires you to say, that's probable enough for me to believe even though there is no good evidence for it. It is an act of faith to believe that there might be a god if you have no good evidence to support your claim.
Tell me, are you agnostic about the existence of leprechauns? How about the tooth fairy? Perhaps you like to believe that ghosts might haunt your house, or that bigfoot will be discovered any minute, or that people can move physical objects through telekinesis?
That my friend is just being intellectually dishonest and gullible.
As far as I an atheist can tell, there is no evidence to support any of those ridiculous supernatural claims and to operate as if they are somehow a valid possibility, is just, well, stupid.
And that is the difference between you and me. You like to faithfully "believe" that there might be a god and I understand that there is simply no good evidence to support such a ridiculous claim.
What evidence do you have that there is no god? There may be no evidence that there is a god except for the very find order and existence of our universe but there is no positive evidence of lack of god either.

Being agnostic doesn't assess any probability at all. It is simply saying that there is no evidence either way. Which is true.
Reality

Newport, NH

#146 Jan 4, 2013
Agnostic wrote:
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What evidence do you have that there is no god? There may be no evidence that there is a god except for the very find order and existence of our universe but there is no positive evidence of lack of god either.
Being agnostic doesn't assess any probability at all. It is simply saying that there is no evidence either way. Which is true.
The people who makes the extraordinary ridiculous claim of a supernatural god is the one who shoulders the responsibility of supplying the extraordinary evidence to prove the claim.

The burden of proof is theirs and theirs alone.

My evidence is that there simply is no good evidence to support the ludicrous claim of a supernatural god, in fact, in all of recorded history no such evidence has ever been uncovered.

The order and existence of our universe is in no way proof of any supernatural go or gods.

Being agnostic does indeed assess probability in assuming that a supernatural god is a valid probability. It is not.

It is no different that claiming that unicorns pee magical rainbows that make their chosen people blond and rich if they drink the magical rainbow pee.

Should we all be agnostic about that? No, the total lack of any evidence of unicorns who pee magical, wealth giving pee is proof enough to consider the ridiculous delision untrue.

Show me evidence of god or a unicorn peeing wealth and blonde hair giving pee and both me and science will adjust our reality, until then, stop expecting that any rational person will respect your ridiculous supernatural claims.
Over 3500 a Day Murdered

United States

#147 Jan 5, 2013
and that's just in the U.S.
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"when new evidence comes to light, unlike religious delusions, science adjusts it's answers."
-New evidence HAS come to light regarding babies in the womb, with tiny cameras we've been able to see the preborn in the womb-they don't just kick and move a bit but can hear and learn from talk outside and they suck their thumbs and they feel great PAIN when the abortionist's tools slice & dice them for removal- They try to SCREAM but cannot be heard, and yet scientific susieQ cares not at all about them and their plight

'Silent Scream'
wow

Newport, NH

#148 Jan 5, 2013
Over 3500 a Day Murdered wrote:
and that's just in the U.S.
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"when new evidence comes to light, unlike religious delusions, science adjusts it's answers."
-New evidence HAS come to light in the form of inaccurate, misleading propaganda!
'Silent Scream'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =gON-8PP6zgQXX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_Screa...

..." Medical community

Many members of the medical community were critical of the film, describing it as misleading and deceptive. Richard Berkowitz, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Medical Center, described the film as "factually misleading and unfair".[4] John Hobbins of the Yale School of Medicine called the film's use of special effects deceptive, a form of "technical flimflam." He pointed out that the film of the ultrasound is initially run at slow speed, but that it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm." Hobbins questioned the titular "scream", noting that "the fetus spends lots of time with its mouth open", that the "scream" may have been a yawn, and also that "mouth" identified on the blurry ultrasound in the film may in fact have been the space between the fetal chin and chest.[4]

Fetal development experts argued that, contrary to Nathanson's assertion in the film, a fetus cannot perceive danger or make purposeful movements. David Bodian, a neurobiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, stated that doctors had no evidence that a twelve-week-old fetus could feel pain, but noted the possibility of a reflex movement by a fetus in response to external stimuli such as surgical instruments. The size of the ultrasound image and of the fetus model used was also misleading, appearing to show a fetus the size of a full-term baby, while in actuality a twelve-week-old fetus is under two inches long.[4]
Pro-choice community

The film's success spurred a media response by pro-choice activists. Ron Fitzsimmons, of the National Abortion Rights Action League, stated that "it has forced us to respond."[4] In 1985, Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) produced a brochure in response, titled The Facts Speak Louder than "The Silent Scream", which described the video as "riddled with scientific, medical, and legal inaccuracies as well as misleading statements and exaggerations".[8][9][10] PPFA convened what it described as "a panel of internationally known and respected physicians" to review and critique the film, and issue a rebuttal of the claims made, including fetal pain, purposeful movement, and the titular "scream."[7][10] PPFA also produced its own film, in which women, doctors, and other experts responded to the claims made in The Silent Scream,[11] and which criticized it as portraying pregnant women as childlike and unfit to hold reproductive rights.[12]

Author and journalist Katie Roiphe described the video as "extremely suspect propaganda" and "essentially a horror movie that used frank distortions."[3] Political scientist and pro-choice activist Rosalind P. Petchesky described "its visual distortions and verbal fraud" and said it "belongs in the realm of cultural representation rather than... medical evidence."[2]" ...
Agnostic

Brattleboro, VT

#149 Jan 5, 2013
wow wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_Screa...
..." Medical community
Many members of the medical community were critical of the film, describing it as misleading and deceptive. Richard Berkowitz, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Medical Center, described the film as "factually misleading and unfair".[4] John Hobbins of the Yale School of Medicine called the film's use of special effects deceptive, a form of "technical flimflam." He pointed out that the film of the ultrasound is initially run at slow speed, but that it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm." Hobbins questioned the titular "scream", noting that "the fetus spends lots of time with its mouth open", that the "scream" may have been a yawn, and also that "mouth" identified on the blurry ultrasound in the film may in fact have been the space between the fetal chin and chest.[4]
Fetal development experts argued that, contrary to Nathanson's assertion in the film, a fetus cannot perceive danger or make purposeful movements. David Bodian, a neurobiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, stated that doctors had no evidence that a twelve-week-old fetus could feel pain, but noted the possibility of a reflex movement by a fetus in response to external stimuli such as surgical instruments. The size of the ultrasound image and of the fetus model used was also misleading, appearing to show a fetus the size of a full-term baby, while in actuality a twelve-week-old fetus is under two inches long.[4]
Pro-choice community
The film's success spurred a media response by pro-choice activists. Ron Fitzsimmons, of the National Abortion Rights Action League, stated that "it has forced us to respond."[4] In 1985, Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) produced a brochure in response, titled The Facts Speak Louder than "The Silent Scream", which described the video as "riddled with scientific, medical, and legal inaccuracies as well as misleading statements and exaggerations".[8][9][10] PPFA convened what it described as "a panel of internationally known and respected physicians" to review and critique the film, and issue a rebuttal of the claims made, including fetal pain, purposeful movement, and the titular "scream."[7][10] PPFA also produced its own film, in which women, doctors, and other experts responded to the claims made in The Silent Scream,[11] and which criticized it as portraying pregnant women as childlike and unfit to hold reproductive rights.[12]
Author and journalist Katie Roiphe described the video as "extremely suspect propaganda" and "essentially a horror movie that used frank distortions."[3] Political scientist and pro-choice activist Rosalind P. Petchesky described "its visual distortions and verbal fraud" and said it "belongs in the realm of cultural representation rather than... medical evidence."[2]" ...
You atheists have no problem killing babies I see. Why do you dispute that mass murderers tend to be atheists?
I Know More Than You

Keene, NH

#150 Jan 5, 2013
Fox News Idiot wrote:
You atheists have no problem killing babies I see. Why do you dispute that mass murderers tend to be atheists?
I see "babies" is yet another word you don't understand.
Agnostic

Brattleboro, VT

#151 Jan 6, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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I see "babies" is yet another word you don't understand.
Evan, It is only abortion supporters like you who want to assign fabricated definitions of what is and what is not human life so they can rationalize their lack of guilt.

Tell me, are you sorry your mother didn't abort you? Do you think anyone alive is sorry their mother didn't abort them? 40 million human beings are dead and can't express their answer to that question.
I Know More Than You

Keene, NH

#152 Jan 6, 2013
Fox News Idiot wrote:
Evan, It is only abortion supporters like you who want to assign fabricated definitions of what is and what is not human life so they can rationalize their lack of guilt.
Tell me, are you sorry your mother didn't abort you? Do you think anyone alive is sorry their mother didn't abort them? 40 million human beings are dead and can't express their answer to that question.
No wonder you morons got your clocks cleaned in the election.

I know at least one person who is sorry you didn't get aborted...
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#153 Jan 6, 2013
More garbage...
DehumanizedWithT erm Fetus

Danvers, MA

#154 Jan 6, 2013
garbage, that's right mikey, over 3,500 of them every day get sliced diced and tossed in the garbage

oh but some of them get sold for medical experimentation
'Aborted Babies Are Being Chopped Up And Sold To Researchers All Over America'
With The Full Approval Of The Obama Administration
http://www.infowars.com/aborted-babies-are-be...
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Twins Caught Fighting in the Womb
ABC News Dec 3, 2012
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sc...
Sibling rivalry can apparently begin even before birth and researchers in London have remarkable footage of twins fighting for legroom in the womb.

The footage shows the legs of the smaller of the two fetuses extending into the space of the larger fetus, as if trying to push it back or kick at it, although it's not certain what is really going on between the fetuses.

"If you've got two fetuses in the womb, they can't possibly stay in their own space," Dr. Marjorie Greenfield, division chief of general obstetrics and gynecology at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland, told ABCNews.com .

Greenfield is hesitant to call the movement fighting, but she still finds the video interesting.

"Twins have been kicking in wombs for millennia," said Greenfield. "Only now we're able to experience it like this."
Agnostic

Brattleboro, VT

#155 Jan 6, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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No wonder you morons got your clocks cleaned in the election.
I know at least one person who is sorry you didn't get aborted...
The only reason Romney won was he got very little of the minority vote. He won everyone else by 15.5 million votes. If Romney had been black he would have won.
I Know More Than You

Keene, NH

#156 Jan 6, 2013
Fox News Idiot wrote:
The only reason Romney won was he got very little of the minority vote. He won everyone else by 15.5 million votes. If Romney had been black he would have won.
That's as stupid as saying; "The only reason the Red Sox lost is because the Yankees scored more runs than they did."

So tell me, who is your "Great Brown Hope?" America isn't getting any whiter in case you haven't noticed.
Alan Keyes 2016

Danvers, MA

#157 Jan 6, 2013
and Reverend Manning for VP
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&ou...
Ambassador Keyes
http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm
^there's two audio files of a couple different talks with Alan Keyes there

also there is a talk with Mychal Massie-
The Nationally recognized political activist, columnist, and chairman of the National Leadership Network of Black Conservatives-Project 21, Mychal Massie examines the persistent pattern of lies and narcissistic personality of Barack Obama
I Know More Than You

Keene, NH

#158 Jan 6, 2013
Alan Keyes 2016 wrote:
and Reverend Manning for VP
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

That would be hilarious!
Alex

Danvers, MA

#159 Jan 6, 2013
Hillarious is a whole lot better than HILLARYous

Guess what-Keyes is a nuketard like ewe!
Keyes and Ron Paul are similar regarding nukedom, both support it. Both are also skeptics of the Theory of man-made global warming.

In 2000, Alan Keyes completed a survey given to then-presidential candidates by the Washington-based Sustainable Energy Coalition. Keyes responded that he supports establishing a high-level nuclear waste facility at Yucca Mountain. Additionally, Keyes noted support for new plant construction, as well as the relicensing of existing plants, but "not as a mandatory requirement [and] provided the nuclear plants are not built with tax dollars."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/politics/voterguid...

Of course that was before Fuktupshita Japan, I don't know if he's still as nuketarded now
Reality

Newport, NH

#160 Jan 6, 2013
Agnostic wrote:
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If Romney had been black he would have won.
Speaks volumes about your ingnorance.
Agnostic

Bennington, VT

#161 Jan 7, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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That's as stupid as saying; "The only reason the Red Sox lost is because the Yankees scored more runs than they did."
So tell me, who is your "Great Brown Hope?" America isn't getting any whiter in case you haven't noticed.


But both are true. The differnce is that one doesn't matter...the red sox losing...and the other does....Romney losing because of a racially motivated vote.

America doesn't have to get whiter. We just need minorities to vote for competence as opposed to voting for racial reasons. Of course there is the possibility that whites will start voting for racial reasons and then it will be republicans forever.
reality

Newport, NH

#162 Jan 7, 2013
Agnostic wrote:
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But both are true. The differnce is that one doesn't matter...the red sox losing...and the other does....Romney losing because of a racially motivated vote.
America doesn't have to get whiter. We just need minorities to vote for competence as opposed to voting for racial reasons. Of course there is the possibility that whites will start voting for racial reasons and then it will be republicans forever.
Someone who believes that the earth was created near Kolob over a period of 6000 years, and then magicly moved to its present position in our solar system is clearly not competent to lead or represent the people of this secular nation.
Agnostic

Bennington, VT

#163 Jan 7, 2013
reality wrote:
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Someone who believes that the earth was created near Kolob over a period of 6000 years, and then magicly moved to its present position in our solar system is clearly not competent to lead or represent the people of this secular nation.
You better check your facts. The Mormons believe that science shows that age of the earth and that the bible isn't literal in it's writing regarding the age of the world. Pretty much the same as most organized christian churches. Last I checked Obama was part of an organized christian church. Are you saying that he isn't competent too?

I love it when you get off the wall pedantic. Better luck next time.
civilized

Newport, NH

#164 Jan 7, 2013
Agnostic wrote:
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You better check your facts. The Mormons believe that science shows that age of the earth and that the bible isn't literal in it's writing regarding the age of the world. Pretty much the same as most organized christian churches. Last I checked Obama was part of an organized christian church. Are you saying that he isn't competent too?
I love it when you get off the wall pedantic. Better luck next time.
That some mormons have had to concede to the truths of science due to it's overwhelming evidence on things like the age of the earth or that there is no conceivable way that the earth was created near the non-existent Kolob before magically flying into it's spot in our solar system only speaks to how ridiculously false the entire religion actually is.

And one does not become a bishop like Romney in the LDS church by questioning the LDS church or it's flawed religious superstitions.

Perhaps Obama is not the best qualified to be leader of the free world, but he is obviously much better qualified than anyone who wears magic underwear and thinks some mythical Jesus is going to return and rule part time from Missouri.

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