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Hypocrisy Lobby

Sunapee, NH

#43 Apr 1, 2014
Hobby Lobby Supreme Court case: Would open the door for Christian Scientists
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/northwestvoices...
April 1, 2014 Barry Zimmerman

..."While it surprises me that this case has even made it to the Supreme Court, I am amused by the notion that a ruling in favor of the plaintiffs would open the door to a very rapid growth in the followers of Mary Baker Eddy and the Christian Scientists. Businesses would seek to exempt themselves from all health-care-benefit offerings to employees on the basis of their Christian Science religious beliefs that illness is spiritual, and not physical. Thus, no insurance to cover physical treatment is necessary for employees.

What a competitive advantage that would be for those businesses (again at the expense of their employees), all because our society continues to have this inexplicable need to cater to a few bad apples who still can’t grasp the notion that in America, there is a long-established separation of church and state that has served this nation well."
Talking Points

Burlington, VT

#45 Apr 2, 2014
Not sure why the above post triggered a Topix profanity alert, is "Pelosi" now considered profanity?
God Bless Hobby Lobby

Rutland, VT

#47 Apr 2, 2014
Talking Points wrote:
Not sure why the above post triggered a Topix profanity alert, is "Pelosi" now considered profanity?
no doubt cuz it ain't proper to say 'intrauterine' in mixed company
oh shit I just said it too
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look at all the obsessive posting here of the paranoiac fearful religiophobic rants...
I think Somebody needs a new Hobby
like the Real profane one here
'profane' means

characterized by irreverence or contempt for God or sacred principles or things; irreligious.
not devoted to holy or religious purposes; unconsecrated; secular (opposed to sacred ).
unholy; heathen; pagan, also common or vulgar.
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"Vermont is considering a law that all automobiles have snow tires. Everybody good with that?"
-so as long as I have 'All-Season' tires then snow season is covered
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The War On Men: 10 Ways Masculinity is Under Attack
And why the elite – not women – are to blame
http://www.infowars.com/the-war-on-men-10-way...

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10 Ways True Feminism is Under Attack
The Real War on Women
http://www.infowars.com/10-ways-true-feminism...
Talking Points

Burlington, VT

#48 Apr 2, 2014
I guess that 26 year olds don't want to live in their parent's basements on their healthcare plans. 48% of young persons distrust big government.
God Bless Hobby Lobby

Rutland, VT

#49 Apr 2, 2014
so that means the other 52% are total obliviots
The Founding Fathers of this government, ALL of em, distrusted big government!
Talking Points

Burlington, VT

#50 Apr 2, 2014
God Bless Hobby Lobby wrote:
so that means the other 52% are total obliviots
The Founding Fathers of this government, ALL of em, distrusted big government!
No, only 2% responded that they trusted big government. The rest are undecided.
Talking Points

Burlington, VT

#51 Apr 2, 2014
3. Did enough healthy, young people get private insurance to balance out the costs of sicker people?

As of March 1, about one-quarter of nationwide private insurance enrollees were between the ages of 18 and 34, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. This matters because if only those who are heavy users of health care get covered, their medical bills will drive up future premiums. The White House originally hoped that 40 percent of those who bought the insurance would be young people, using age as an imperfect proxy for health.

The final share may or may not tick up much higher than 25 percent, but several health insurance companies recently have said their new customers were trending younger near the end of the enrollment period. EHealth reported the share of customers aged 18-34 rose from 39 percent during the first half to 45 percent during the second half.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/02/obam...
Talking Points

Burlington, VT

#52 Apr 2, 2014
PHARMA & HEALTHCARE | 3/28/2014 @ 8:36AM |390,148 views
How Much Does Obamacare Rip Off Young Adults? We Ran The Numbers. Here Are The Results.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/201...
Gott mit uns

Sunapee, NH

#53 Apr 3, 2014
A Hobby Lobby Win Would Put Birth Control Coverage In Jeopardy At 71 Other Companies
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/04/02/34...
Tara Culp-Ressler April 2, 2014

"If Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood Specialties — the two for-profit companies that are asking the Supreme Court to grant them a religious exemption from Obamacare’s birth control coverage requirement — are successful in their legal battle, it could open up the door for businesses across the country to start chipping away at their workers’ insurance benefits. There’s no telling exactly how many companies would attempt to employ the same “religious freedom” arguments to deny their employees coverage for certain health services.

But it is pretty apparent who will be affected first: The people who work at the dozens of other companies that tried to get their birth control objections in front of the Supreme Court.

Since the spring of 2012, 71 other companies have attempted to challenge Obamacare’s birth control provision in court. Gretchen Borchelt, the senior counsel and director of state reproductive health policy at the National Women’s Law Center (NWLC), told Mother Jones that a ruling in favor of Hobby Lobby would most immediately affect the estimated 22,000 people who work at those businesses. After all, their bosses have obviously already tried to seek this loophole.

NWLC has been tracking the ongoing contraceptive lawsuits closely, and by their count, over 100 lawsuits have been filed in federal court based on the same claims that Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Woods are making. That includes cases brought by both for-profit and non-profit employers. Aside from Hobby Lobby, 46 of these cases involving for-profit companies are still pending, and their outcomes may directly depend on how the Supreme Court rules.",,,

read the rest:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/04/02/34...

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#54 Apr 3, 2014
Talking Point wrote:
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You are very confused. This administration altered the definition of pregnancy (among other things) and proceeded create and pass a massive law that strips away America's freedom to choose the insurance (or not) of their choice. We support the return of of our rights to select, pay for and use the insurance of our choosing.
Seventy five percent of Americans oppose this law.
You are the one illiterate as to how our government works. Your right wing blogger won't let you know the republicans are at war with women. They lie to you racism to accept any lie they say about the President.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#55 Apr 3, 2014
Talking Points wrote:
3. Did enough healthy, young people get private insurance to balance out the costs of sicker people?
As of March 1, about one-quarter of nationwide private insurance enrollees were between the ages of 18 and 34, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. This matters because if only those who are heavy users of health care get covered, their medical bills will drive up future premiums. The White House originally hoped that 40 percent of those who bought the insurance would be young people, using age as an imperfect proxy for health.
The final share may or may not tick up much higher than 25 percent, but several health insurance companies recently have said their new customers were trending younger near the end of the enrollment period. EHealth reported the share of customers aged 18-34 rose from 39 percent during the first half to 45 percent during the second half.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/02/obam...
I'll bet the first one who is in a car wreck and has hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt will encourage the others...and the youth vote for democrats as it is....

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#56 Apr 3, 2014
Hypocrisy Lobby wrote:
Hobby Lobby Supreme Court case: Would open the door for Christian Scientists
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/northwestvoices...
April 1, 2014 Barry Zimmerman
..."While it surprises me that this case has even made it to the Supreme Court, I am amused by the notion that a ruling in favor of the plaintiffs would open the door to a very rapid growth in the followers of Mary Baker Eddy and the Christian Scientists. Businesses would seek to exempt themselves from all health-care-benefit offerings to employees on the basis of their Christian Science religious beliefs that illness is spiritual, and not physical. Thus, no insurance to cover physical treatment is necessary for employees.
What a competitive advantage that would be for those businesses (again at the expense of their employees), all because our society continues to have this inexplicable need to cater to a few bad apples who still can’t grasp the notion that in America, there is a long-established separation of church and state that has served this nation well."
It's a can of worms the rich won't allow to happen. This is where the tea party throws the fundamentalists under the bus in the name of corporate profits I insurance.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#57 Apr 3, 2014
Hypocrisy Lobby wrote:
Hobby Lobby Invests In Abortion Pill Manufacturers
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/01/hobb...
Laura Bassett 04/01/2014
"The owners of Hobby Lobby, a Christian-owned craft supply chain, were so offended by the idea of having to include emergency contraceptives and intrauterine devices in their health insurance plans that they sued the Obama administration and took the case all the way up to the Supreme Court. But Mother Jones reported on Tuesday http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/h... hat the company's retirement plan has invested millions of dollars in the manufacturers of emergency contraception and drugs used to induce abortions.
Hobby Lobby's 401(k) employee retirement plan holds $73 million in mutual funds that invest in multiple pharmaceutical companies that produce emergency contraceptive pills, intrauterine devices, and abortion-inducing medications.
The companies Hobby Lobby invests in include Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, which makes the Plan B morning-after pill and ParaGard, a copper IUD, as well as Pfizer, the maker of the abortion-inducing drugs Cytotec and Prostin E2. Hobby Lobby's mutual funds also invest in two health insurance companies that cover surgical abortions, abortion drugs, and emergency contraception in their health care policies.
Hobby Lobby's attorneys argue that the provision in the Affordable Care Act that requires most employers to cover contraception in their health plans infringes on the company's right to exercise religious freedom because the company's owners believe that emergency contraception and IUDs are actually forms of abortion. Medical studies have debunked this claim. http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/02/22/17...
Mother Jones reported that all nine of the mutual funds Hobby Lobby's retirement plan holds include investments that clash with the owners' religious beliefs about abortion. "
Well looked here. Hypocrisy, thy name is Hobby Lobby....great find.
christian values

Sunapee, NH

#59 Apr 7, 2014
Bedtime Bible Stories



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Published on Apr 7, 2014

America's Best Christian, Mrs. Betty Bowers, reads her children Bible-based bedtime stories -- and realizes that, with all its gratuitous violence and pornography, if God hadn't written the Bible, Conservative Christians would be trying to keep it OUT of public libraries not IN to public schools!"
Sep of C-S DoubleStandard

Rutland, VT

#60 Apr 7, 2014
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Well looky here. Hypocrisy, thy name is SusieQ....great find.
yeah she won't deal with the hypocrisy pointed out in the thread here* about a certain religion being pushed in a tax-supported venue, nor with that 'Christian' church using its venue to push a political agenda!
*- http://www.topix.com/forum/city/brattleboro-v...
Gott mit uns

Sunapee, NH

#61 Apr 7, 2014
Redneck Fundamentalist explaining the proper place for Christian women



... Indiana megachurch preacher who is now serving 12 years in jail for sexually assaulting a teenage parishioner explaining the proper place for Christian women.
Gott mit uns

Sunapee, NH

#62 Apr 7, 2014
Jack Schaap Sentenced: Indiana Pastor Gets 12 Years For Sexual Relationship With Teen Parishioner

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/jack...

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#65 Apr 9, 2014
Gott mit uns wrote:
Jack Schaap Sentenced: Indiana Pastor Gets 12 Years For Sexual Relationship With Teen Parishioner
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/jack...
Always makes me see such hypocrisy when they talk about how there should be no same-sex marriage because marriage is between a man and woman...apparently, they extend it to underage girls are a side part of their marriage...what a crock of hypocrisy.
reality

Sunapee, NH

#66 Apr 30, 2014
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
Always makes me see such hypocrisy when they talk about how there should be no same-sex marriage because marriage is between a man and woman...apparently, they extend it to underage girls are a side part of their marriage...what a crock of hypocrisy.
Nobody does hypocrisy like the religious!
Larry

Montpelier, VT

#67 May 1, 2014
There's more cut and paste here than actual discussions.

This is from my left wingnut web search!
This is from my right wingnut web search!

Nobody reads those links. For obvious reasons.

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