Lawsuit threat cancels $200,000 char...

Lawsuit threat cancels $200,000 charity event.

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stupid people

Burlington, VT

#1 Dec 7, 2012
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/20262865/l...

HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow)-
A threatened lawsuit had put a halt to what's become a Christmas tradition for members of the Moanalua High School orchestra.

For the past six years, the award-winning group and volunteers from the New Hope Church have raised more than $200,000 for a charity that treats poor people in Africa.

But that all came to a halt on Monday when the Department of Education decided to cancel the concert just four days before the event.

In a letter to the Department of Education, Mitch Kahle, founder of the Hawaii Citizens for the Separation of State and Church, took issue with the involvement of New Hope Church, which handles ticket sales and sells those tickets at its services.

"The issue here is an entanglement between a public school and a Christian church," said Kahle.

"And one of the things about the constitution is that it prohibits the involvement of public schools and churches."

Concert volunteer Chad Brownstein said that this year's event has sold more than 600 tickets and would have generated about $30,000 in sales and donations.

"(The students) could have done something that they're good at it and benefit others instead of themselves," Brownstein said.

"So I'm very disappointed that they won't be getting that lesson through that concert anymore."

Concert organizers are still looking at other locations but chances of finding a new place before Christmas that are very slim.

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stupid people

Burlington, VT

#2 Dec 7, 2012
Chad Brownstein ∑ Video Editor at New Hope Christian Fellowship

100% of all funds collected (ticket sales and donations) from Moanalua's Gift of Hope Charity Concert has gone to various charities. New Hope has not benefitted financially from any of these concerts. In fact, many expenses for the concert, including snacks and meals for the students, has been incurred by volunteers, who, yes, attend New Hope.

In the past the concert has supported local charities, though the last few years the beneficiary has been Mercy Ships, a non-profit humanitarian aid organization that provides free medical care to those that need it most, regardless of age, gender, religion, etc.

I help with the event coordination of this concert because I am an alumni of Moanalua and a past Music Department President, and believe in giving back to those that have given me so much. My friends and co-workers support me in...

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I Know More Than You

Goffstown, NH

#3 Dec 7, 2012
Headline should have read "Constitution cancels $200,000 charity event."
Idiot Patrol

Manchester, NH

#4 Dec 7, 2012
The churches provide for charities. The government provides charity. Maybe the government needs to get out of the charity business?

Let Mitch Kahle, founder of the Hawaii Citizens for the Separation of State and Church, provide the difference in donations.
IM4 Sep ofAtheismAndStat e

United States

#5 Dec 7, 2012
New Hampsturd Public Fool System victim said
"Headline should have read "Constitution cancels $200,000 charity event." "
-actually if the Supreme Law of the Land as the Constitution calls itself were truly followed there'd be no Dept. of Ed nor most other unlawfully existing fed agencies that suck tax$$ and provide no real meaningful use

IP says
"Maybe the government needs to get out of the charity business?"
Davy Crockett came to that realization!
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/ellis1.html
the youtube version of the story-


The damned Dept. of Ejumacation doesn't educate a single child, it's just one of the bloated govt. bureaucracie$ that a President Ron Paul would have done away with. The Fed is thought of as a federal agency cuz of its name but is privately run by the banksters and is totally unconstitutional but the sheeple think these things can't be done away with yet we Must to survive, and tell the banksters we Do Not owe them that contrived Dept of trillion$!
But alas,
The Bleat Goes On
Uh Helloooo

Burlington, VT

#6 Dec 7, 2012
Good grief, if you don't like these concerts then don't go to them! Why should you be allowed to keep others from volunteering their time to help others? Participation is optional and if the hall is on town property then pay the town a token rental
hypocrites

Claremont, NH

#7 Dec 7, 2012
Just another case of christian privilege. Funny how they are always so shocked and offended when they are asked to obey the law.

How about we stop classes five times a day so that muslim prayers can be shouted from every loudspeaker in the school? Your christian children can "opt out" of course as long as they obediently stand there facing mecca in silence and respect the sovereignty of the one true god allah.

We are a muslim country after all, it says "in allah we trust" right on our money, the state legislature has just declared this "the year of the koran"! Every courthouse and federal building must display a sign depicting the teachings of our one true god allah on every buildings entrance or face a year in prison.

There are still laws on the books of most states that would disqualify from holding public office anyone who denies that our one true lord allah's absolute and eternal sovereignty over every man woman and child.

Doesn't feel too good being on the receiving end of true religious discrimination, does it?

Hypocrites.
hanging with the big guy

Burlington, VT

#9 Dec 8, 2012
hypocrites wrote:
Just another case of christian privilege. Funny how they are always so shocked and offended when they are asked to obey the law.
How about we stop classes five times a day so that muslim prayers can be shouted from every loudspeaker in the school? Your christian children can "opt out" of course as long as they obediently stand there facing mecca in silence and respect the sovereignty of the one true god allah.
We are a muslim country after all, it says "in allah we trust" right on our money, the state legislature has just declared this "the year of the koran"! Every courthouse and federal building must display a sign depicting the teachings of our one true god allah on every buildings entrance or face a year in prison.
There are still laws on the books of most states that would disqualify from holding public office anyone who denies that our one true lord allah's absolute and eternal sovereignty over every man woman and child.
Doesn't feel too good being on the receiving end of true religious discrimination, does it?
Hypocrites.
Just like the multitudes that are already opting out of the pledge of allegiance without criticism? What I really admire is those students who willingly sing both Christmas and Hanukah songs at assemblies this time of year because they understand that itís ok to help people with differences celebrate what is important to them. Friendship and acceptance are very powerful messages. Why must you cancel others holiday traditions in order to be fulfilled?
Gott mit uns

Claremont, NH

#10 Dec 8, 2012
hanging with the big guy wrote:
<quoted text>Just like the multitudes that are already opting out of the pledge of allegiance without criticism?What I really admire is those students who willingly sing both Christmas and Hanukah songs at assemblies this time of year because they understand that itís ok to help people with differences celebrate what is important to them. Friendship and acceptance are very powerful messages. Why must you cancel others holiday traditions in order to be fulfilled?
If you were not so intellectually dishonest you would know that there are many students who when their lack of belief in god is discovered are the recipients of death threats and outright hostility fairly regularly.

I admire those students who stand up for the true secular spirit of our constitution despite the predictable threats and demonizing hateful ostracization and discrimination regularly heaped upon them for merely stating the obvious.

When public institutions choose to promote belief in the supernatural over reality, it only serves to fuel the fires of religious intolerance. Far from celebrating differences and building friendship and acceptance , these divisive endorsements of religious belief by public institutions only serve to artificially reinforce religious discrimination and marginalize the rational non-believer further toward the category of sub-human.

Why must people demand that the entire public body be subjected to their flawed, irrational, hateful, divisive religion as if being a chistian or a jew are the only prerequisites for being a good and moral person?

Want to selfishly celebrate your imagined moral and spiritual superiority over everyone else? You have a church for that. Obey the law and keep your backwards superstition where it belongs.
SusieQ the Scofflaw

Newton Center, MA

#12 Dec 8, 2012
"Obey the law..."
-pppffffffftt! that coming from the one who hates the law
Here it is, Vermont's supreme law->

USConstitution.net/VtConst.html
^scroll down to read about each person's DUTY in Article 3
The last part of it basically says that those in the religious cult of Darwin & Dawkins ain't welcome
So now the entire Vermont Legislature and people who elected them are 'insane' and 'hateful' too right Q?
Qwerty

Brattleboro, VT

#13 Dec 8, 2012
hypocrites wrote:
Just another case of christian privilege. Funny how they are always so shocked and offended when they are asked to obey the law.
How about we stop classes five times a day so that muslim prayers can be shouted from every loudspeaker in the school? Your christian children can "opt out" of course as long as they obediently stand there facing mecca in silence and respect the sovereignty of the one true god allah.
We are a muslim country after all, it says "in allah we trust" right on our money, the state legislature has just declared this "the year of the koran"! Every courthouse and federal building must display a sign depicting the teachings of our one true god allah on every buildings entrance or face a year in prison.
There are still laws on the books of most states that would disqualify from holding public office anyone who denies that our one true lord allah's absolute and eternal sovereignty over every man woman and child.
Doesn't feel too good being on the receiving end of true religious discrimination, does it?
Hypocrites.
You will, of course be working Christmas Day, right?
Qwerty

Brattleboro, VT

#14 Dec 8, 2012
At straight pay.

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