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Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#25 Jan 1, 2013
So they say if the legislation doesn't go through everyone will have a tax raise. I say if it passes, taxes might go marginally up for the poor and middle class...but we will be hobbled by declining and poor income for as your eyes can see.
Mike Muligan

Brattleboro, VT

#26 Jan 1, 2013

If I was Obama, I be pulling the strings behind the scenes to make the crash worse. The more pain, the more reform we get...I'd be pulling a Lincoln. In other words, I'd make our nation crash as hard as I can.



Mike Muligan

Brattleboro, VT

#27 Jan 1, 2013
Mike Muligan

Brattleboro, VT

#28 Jan 1, 2013
There is our future...
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#29 Jan 1, 2013
So if the republicans vote for senate version, is it really suicide. Is it suicide in any way it goes. So the Republicans vote for it...then next election cycle the hyper right use the vote as a means to throw out the end of 2012 representatives.

So the hyper right wing new kooks wins the primary against the incumbents,...then the dems clean their clocks in the mid term.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#30 Jan 1, 2013
If they vote down the fiscal cliff, there are just politically sooner dead any ways...

If you are an American politician, all that matters is if you survive till tomorrow...
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#31 Jan 1, 2013
Certainly the advertisers of CNN want the bill to pass...
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#32 Jan 2, 2013
Mike Mulligan wrote:
So if the republicans vote for senate version, is it really suicide. Is it suicide in any way it goes. So the Republicans vote for it...then next election cycle the hyper right use the vote as a means to throw out the end of 2012 representatives.
So the hyper right wing new kooks wins the primary against the incumbents,...then the dems clean their clocks in the mid term.
Rumors are that house speaker hard right fanatic John Boehner is resigning because he is not republican enough...then they are going to elect a hyper right fruit cake teabagger republican.

Like I said, the moderate right wing kooks are getting thrown out for not being right wing enough...with the fascist government haters assault gun right wingers replacing them...

And obama thinks it is all funny as hell!
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#33 Jan 2, 2013
Boner just disputed it!
Gott mit uns

Newport, NH

#35 Jan 2, 2013
Southern Poverty Law Center
Intelligence Files
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelli...
Sovereign Citizens Movement

"The strange subculture of the sovereign citizens movement, whose adherents hold truly bizarre, complex antigovernment beliefs, has been growing at a fast pace since the late 2000s. Sovereigns believe that they not judges, juries, law enforcement or elected officials get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, and they don't think they should have to pay taxes. Sovereigns are clogging up the courts with indecipherable filings and when cornered, many of them lash out in rage, frustration and, in the most extreme cases, acts of deadly violence, usually directed against government officials. In May 2010, for example, a father-son team of sovereigns murdered two police officers with an assault rifle when they were pulled over on the interstate while traveling through West Memphis, Ark.

The movement is rooted in racism and anti-Semitism, though most sovereigns, many of whom are African American, are unaware of their beliefs' origins. In the early 1980s, the sovereign citizens movement mostly attracted white supremacists and anti-Semites, mainly because sovereign theories originated in groups that saw Jews as working behind the scenes to manipulate financial institutions and control the government. Most early sovereigns, and some of those who are still on the scene, believed that being white was a prerequisite to becoming a sovereign citizen. They argued that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which guaranteed citizenship to African Americans and everyone else born on U.S. soil, also made black Americans permanently subject to federal and state governments, unlike themselves.

The Sovereign Belief System
The contemporary sovereign belief system is based on a decades-old conspiracy theory. At some point in history, sovereigns believe, the American government set up by the founding fathers with a legal system the sovereigns refer to as "common law" was secretly replaced by a new government system based on admiralty law, the law of the sea and international commerce. Under common law, or so they believe, the sovereigns would be free men. Under admiralty law, they are slaves, and secret government forces have a vested interest in keeping them that way. Some sovereigns believe this perfidious change occurred during the Civil War, while others blame the events of 1933, when the U.S. abandoned the gold standard. Either way, they stake their lives and livelihoods on the idea that judges around the country know all about this hidden government takeover but are denying the sovereigns' motions and filings out of treasonous loyalty to hidden and malevolent government forces.

Though this all sounds bizarre, the next layer of the argument becomes even more implausible. Since 1933, the U.S. dollar has been backed not by gold, but by the "full faith and credit" of the U.S. government (in fact, President Franklin D. Roosevelt ended private ownership of gold in large amounts in 1933; governments could still sell gold for dollars to the U.S. Treasury for a fixed amount after that, until that practice was ended by President Richard Nixon in 1971). According to sovereign "researchers," this means that the government has pledged its citizenry as collateral, by selling their future earning capabilities to foreign investors, effectively enslaving all Americans. This sale, they claim, takes place at birth." ...

read the rest:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelli...
Gott mit uns

Newport, NH

#36 Jan 2, 2013
continued from:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelli...

... " When a baby is born in the U.S., a birth certificate is issued, and the hospital usually requires that the parents apply for a Social Security number at that time. Sovereigns say that the government then uses that birth certificate to set up a kind of corporate trust in the baby's name a secret Treasury account which it funds with an amount ranging from $600,000 to $20 million, depending on the particular variant of the sovereign belief system. By setting up this account, every newborn's rights are cleverly split between those held by the flesh-and-blood baby and the ones assigned to his or her corporate shell account.

The sovereigns believe evidence for their theory is found on the birth certificate itself. Since most certificates use all capital letters to spell out a baby's name, JOHN DOE, for example, is actually the name of the corporate shell identity, or "straw man," while John Doe is the baby's "real," flesh-and-blood name. As the child grows older, most of his legal documents will utilize capital letters, which means that his state-issued driver's license, his marriage license, his car registration, his criminal court records, his cable TV bill and correspondence from the IRS all will pertain to his corporate shell identity, not his real, sovereign identity.

The process sovereigns have devised to split the straw man from the flesh-and-blood man is called "redemption," and its purpose is two-fold. Once separated from the corporate shell, the newly freed man is now outside of the jurisdiction of all admiralty laws. More importantly, by filing a series of complex, legal-sounding documents, the sovereign can tap into that secret Treasury account for his own purposes. Over the past 30 years, hundreds of sovereigns have attempted to perfect the process by packaging and promoting different combinations of forms and paperwork. While no one has ever succeeded, for the obvious reason that these theories are not true, sovereigns are nonetheless convinced with the religious certainty of a true cult believer that they're close. All it will take, say the promoters of the redemption scam, is the right combination of words."

read the rest:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelli...
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#37 Jan 2, 2013
RedState founder Erick Erickson proclaimed, "The Republican Establishment in Washington, DC should be burned to the ground and salt spread on the remains." The deal punts on the GOP priorities of tax and entitlement reform, and as Obama noted, it doesn't meaningfully reduce the deficit. And it arguably violates Republicans' more than two decade-long refusal to vote for tax increases. For these reasons, two potential 2016 Republican presidential contenders in the Senate, Rand Paul and Marco Rubio, voted against the deal -- though Rep. Paul Ryan, the budget hawk and former vice presidential nominee, cast his vote in its favor. The deal ended up passing the House with twice as many Democratic votes as Republican ones.
Mike Mulligan

Brattleboro, VT

#38 Jan 2, 2013
Oh come on, John Boehner and the republican fruit cake kooks are punishing NJ gov Chris Christie and the New Jerseyans for throwing the election to Obama in the superstore Sandy hurricane recovery.

If Chris didn't buddy up to Obama, then he wouldn't be president...

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