Vernon's police chief speaks out after department defund vote

There are 20 comments on the The Bennington Banner story from Mar 9, 2014, titled Vernon's police chief speaks out after department defund vote. In it, The Bennington Banner reports that:

In searching for a way to sum up the value of Vernon Police Department, Chief Mary Beth Hebert recalls overhearing a conversation about whether to order another round of drinks.

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manny

United States

#1 Mar 13, 2014
Say it like it is--Patty O has a personal vendetta against the police dept. There have been numerious incidents that indicate that she is attacking the Vernon PD. Why are we not investigating why she "retired" as the representative for Vernon Guilford in The State House of Reps?.....because she was voting against her own party. Why are we not investigating what happened to missing funds? why are we not investigating why she is trying to stop voters at a post office? why are we not investigating why she said " she would destroy" chief Hebert after the vote to approve a new crusier was instituded? Why did she change the budget of the Vernon PD when chief Hebert left the room at the last board meeting? Why did she close the curtain while counting the votes? Patty is now stating she never said no to overtime for the PD however, their are emails from the treasurer and the selectboard secretary saying no overtime any department except for the highway department? Why is the highway department hands off....perhaps digging a little deeper personnally.....
sick of it all

Brattleboro, VT

#2 Aug 28, 2014
It's the typical small town bs.now paying for trash and the property taxes won't reflect itThis will be a ghost town and with Yankee gone they'll just keep sticking their hand out until the remainder of peeps move out.Cuts across the board need to be instituted,like salaries at the school,town garage etc. no one will mention that though.
Nuketard Town Dries Up

Rutland, VT

#3 Aug 28, 2014
the only honest one running Vernon recently retired (Sandy Harris) yet first the bastard people of the town like Patty O had the town clerk dragged thru the mud with a false accusation of misappropriating money, from which she was exonerated
NukeNazis TiedTo al-Cohol

Newton Center, MA

#4 Oct 13, 2014
manny wrote:
Say it like it is--Patty O has a personal vendetta against the police dept. There have been numerious incidents that indicate that she is attacking the Vernon PD. Why are we not investigating why she "retired" as the representative for Vernon Guilford in The State House of Reps?.....because she was voting against her own party. Why are we not investigating what happened to missing funds? why are we not investigating why she is trying to stop voters at a post office? why are we not investigating why she said " she would destroy" chief Hebert after the vote to approve a new crusier was instituded? Why did she change the budget of the Vernon PD when chief Hebert left the room at the last board meeting? Why did she close the curtain while counting the votes? Patty is now stating she never said no to overtime for the PD however, their are emails from the treasurer and the selectboard secretary saying no overtime any department except for the highway department? Why is the highway department hands off....perhaps digging a little deeper personnally.....
Obstruction of justice in Vernon?
Brattleboro Reformer, 10/09/2014
VERNON -- Newly released documents claim that Selectboard Chairwoman Patty O'Donnell attempted to intervene in a DUI investigation and threatened to terminate the town's new contract with Windham County Sheriff's Department if an officer didn't "fix this issue."
O'Donnell vehemently denies that she wanted the sheriff's department to not arrest Lisa M. McKenney, 47, after a Sept. 20 traffic stop. But in an official report titled "obstruction of justice," it's clear that sheriff's department Lt. Mark Anderson believed something else was going on. O'Donnell indicated that she wanted me to respond at the time to fix this issue," Anderson wrote.
read the rest at http://www.reformer.com/localnews/ci_26690640...
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Now we see that Vernon really Is like the Dukes of Hazzard and Patty O'Furniture is Boss Hogg! She thinks that if 'her' town has to pay for the (real) county (Windham) cops to patrol it then those damn cops oughta understand who's Boss!
(the biggest hazzard is of course the potential Dirty Bomb GE Mark I reactor which Thank God is about to SHUT DOWN, to the great dismay and bitterness of the nuketards of Vernon especially who benefited from the VY $$)
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Obstruction of Justice

Newton Center, MA

#5 Oct 13, 2014
There was the King in that Shakespeare (F. Bacon) play who didn't Have to make it plain that he wanted his problem/enemy killed, but just hinted at it saying how 'So-and-so is a royal pain in my arse'-and one of his henchmen would understand and take care of the problem, return and wink at the King. So it is also with Boss Hogg Patty O- she expects the ones with the guns & badges allowed and paid to be the cops to all be her toadies/henchmen and not arrest and charge anyone of her coterie for crimes like drunk driving- Her ilk are supposed to be omnipotent and excluded from that which is enforced on the peons. The Vernon elite are 'above the law'(statues) and Anderson and Tuttle were expected to look the other way when the Boss's friends break the rules.

Matthew 23:25 + 28
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and self-indulgence."
"you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."
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The only thing Jesus got visibly angry at was the hypocrisy, inequality, partiality, privilege and irresponsibility of the legal monopoly lawyer crony crooks known as the Pharisees. They had a protection racket whereby their twisted versions of God's Law made everyone else burdened and oppressed by their kangaroo 'court' of injustice but they exempted themselves.
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Patty's drunk-driving friend almost killed herself and/or others Ask M.A.D.D. about the injuries occurring every day from those who don't get noticed weaving all over the road in time to stop them as her friend was.
What Patty O injured was the justice, peace and dignity of We The People and Vermont
But just as THE top local pharisees, the State's Attorney's office, gave one of their coterie who stole $70,000 in public funds a mere slap-on-the-wrist (ex-sheriff Sheila Prue), I suspect the system will let Patty slide for her transgression and we won't hear any more.
Unless Patty goes thru with her threat to dump the county mountie patrols and make herself Top Cop! Hey-she could hire ol 'Butch' Prue to be the Vernon cop, since Prue had her felony record quashed she can still pack a gun and be a cop again- Oh but I shouldn't give crazy Patty any ideas
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#6 Oct 13, 2014
Obstruction of Justice wrote:
There was the King in that Shakespeare (F. Bacon) play who didn't Have to make it plain that he wanted his problem/enemy killed, but just hinted at it saying how 'So-and-so is a royal pain in my arse'-and one of his henchmen would understand and take care of the problem, return and wink at the King. So it is also with Boss Hogg Patty O- she expects the ones with the guns & badges allowed and paid to be the cops to all be her toadies/henchmen and not arrest and charge anyone of her coterie for crimes like drunk driving- Her ilk are supposed to be omnipotent and excluded from that which is enforced on the peons. The Vernon elite are 'above the law'(statues) and Anderson and Tuttle were expected to look the other way when the Boss's friends break the rules.
Matthew 23:25 + 28
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and self-indulgence."
"you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."
.
The only thing Jesus got visibly angry at was the hypocrisy, inequality, partiality, privilege and irresponsibility of the legal monopoly lawyer crony crooks known as the Pharisees. They had a protection racket whereby their twisted versions of God's Law made everyone else burdened and oppressed by their kangaroo 'court' of injustice but they exempted themselves.
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Patty's drunk-driving friend almost killed herself and/or others Ask M.A.D.D. about the injuries occurring every day from those who don't get noticed weaving all over the road in time to stop them as her friend was.
What Patty O injured was the justice, peace and dignity of We The People and Vermont
But just as THE top local pharisees, the State's Attorney's office, gave one of their coterie who stole $70,000 in public funds a mere slap-on-the-wrist (ex-sheriff Sheila Prue), I suspect the system will let Patty slide for her transgression and we won't hear any more.
Unless Patty goes thru with her threat to dump the county mountie patrols and make herself Top Cop! Hey-she could hire ol 'Butch' Prue to be the Vernon cop, since Prue had her felony record quashed she can still pack a gun and be a cop again- Oh but I shouldn't give crazy Patty any ideas
O.k. o.k. I hear you. But there is no justice to injure, is there? You said as much when you claimed that the top local Pharisees, the state's attorney's office, slap their own on the wrist. You suspect that they'll do the same for Patty? So what injustice can Patty inflict upon the locals that can rise to the level of that which the state doles out to the people in similar fashion? Doesn't shite roll downhill?
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#7 Oct 13, 2014
Just to clear up any lingering confusion, there is no justice in this "society". I put it in quotes because our environment does not meet the definition of a society. It is called a corporation, and corporations are hierarchal in nature, just like the animal kingdom. But that's what we are seen as by the psycho's who are behind the curtain, animals. That's why they trained everyone, like circus animals, to believe that they are their "person". According to their manipulative lingo called legalese, a person is defined as a corporation. A corporation is defined as an artificial person, a fictional entity. Your not a Human Being in their kangaroo courts, you're a person, get it? They call the name of your person in court, and you stand to attention, just like you were trained. They ask you if you are that person, and you say, yes sir. Then they say, good boy, good boy. They figure it's easier to deal with fictional entities, because fictional entities can't think so good.
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#8 Oct 13, 2014
They call it justice when you inadvertently waive your Human rights by presenting as your corporate fiction. Patty probably figures that everyone in Vernon understands that they are waiving their Human rights in exchange for the privileges granted to persons. That's why Patty is not a Human Being, she's a person. And sure, I bet it's true that there are other persons who will protect her interests. She's done good getting jobs for the deputy persons. She knows the game. I sure think she does anyway. That's probably why she has no problem flying off the handle, because she knows the game well. And that's probably why it will go nowhere, because they know that she know's. Best to hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil, and try not to throw weight around that you don't really have.
Obstruction of Justice

Newton Center, MA

#9 Oct 14, 2014
vern wrote:
<quoted text>
O.k. o.k. I hear you. But there is no justice to injure, is there? You said as much when you claimed that the top local Pharisees, the state's attorney's office, slap their own on the wrist. You suspect that they'll do the same for Patty? So what injustice can Patty inflict upon the locals that can rise to the level of that which the state doles out to the people in similar fashion? Doesn't shite roll downhill?
-and scum rises to the top
any public 'official'* especially if elected is supposed to behave to a higher standard, and if they break the law (AND scheme to get away with it as well!) then they are the worst form of human filth
corruption in 'authority' is why so many countries are so messed-up and uncivil turd-world countries
*Sheriff Clark is one, but a municipal or state cop is not an 'officer' He is supposed to have taken an oath to uphold our Constitutionally-enumerated / God-given Rights. I don't believe Ms. O'Donnell ever took such an oath, the thing is-- she had NO business biatching about needing it 'fixed' and threatening to cut off the rent-a-cops of Windham County if such a corrupt remedy wasn't done! Obstruction of justice is against the law for good reason, don't act like this was a victimless crime! If you know anything about courts and prosecutors as you talk as if you do, then you know what appears on the front lower corner on every indictment paper against a 'defendant' given them by the State's Attorney - a phrase that hovers there disconnected from the text but says: "And against the peace and dignity of the State"
That's how they make the State the 'victim' with every criminal court (Admiralty Jurisdiction) case. Of course the State cannot lawfully be the prosecutor And the victim, but they break the law every day and the sheeple are obliviots and do little about it. They knew they could get away with the hypocrisy of their past sheriff (Prue) getting no real penalty for what anyone else would do time for
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#10 Oct 15, 2014
Obstruction of Justice wrote:
<quoted text>
-and scum rises to the top
any public 'official'* especially if elected is supposed to behave to a higher standard, and if they break the law (AND scheme to get away with it as well!) then they are the worst form of human filth
corruption in 'authority' is why so many countries are so messed-up and uncivil turd-world countries
*Sheriff Clark is one, but a municipal or state cop is not an 'officer' He is supposed to have taken an oath to uphold our Constitutionally-enumerated / God-given Rights. I don't believe Ms. O'Donnell ever took such an oath, the thing is-- she had NO business biatching about needing it 'fixed' and threatening to cut off the rent-a-cops of Windham County if such a corrupt remedy wasn't done! Obstruction of justice is against the law for good reason, don't act like this was a victimless crime! If you know anything about courts and prosecutors as you talk as if you do, then you know what appears on the front lower corner on every indictment paper against a 'defendant' given them by the State's Attorney - a phrase that hovers there disconnected from the text but says: "And against the peace and dignity of the State"
That's how they make the State the 'victim' with every criminal court (Admiralty Jurisdiction) case. Of course the State cannot lawfully be the prosecutor And the victim, but they break the law every day and the sheeple are obliviots and do little about it. They knew they could get away with the hypocrisy of their past sheriff (Prue) getting no real penalty for what anyone else would do time for
When that "deputy" pulled over that women for allegedly traveling under the influence, who or what was the victim? Was the state the victim (admiralty jurisdiction)? In a common law jurisdiction that are no crimes against the United States. If I have to, I can post the case law for that particular finding. But it's not common law, is it? It's admiralty law, right? At least for that women anyway. But did the women being pulled over understand as much? Did the deputy understand?

The fact is, jurisdiction can be argued from the start. But that women was ignorant and the deputy was able to use implied consent (legalese) against her. But relying on someone's ignorance in order to lead them into foreign jurisdiction (admiralty, corporate) is an unlawful act under common law, because it creates a living breathing victim. But she was not a Human Being at the time of the stop, was she? She was acting with the legal capacity and presenting as her person.

Now let's talk about Patty. Who did Patty offend? Did she offend the people? Are those people considered persons, or, Human Beings? If they are persons, then she offended the state and those who she is in cohoots with. Is she in cohoots with the people? Would the people say that they are in cohoots with Patty? No, they would not, because they are ignorant to legalese and they don't understand any of what is written here. So, the question is, from a LAWFUL standpoint, who is the victim that Patty offended?
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#11 Oct 15, 2014
You must identify the victim that Patty O'Donnell offended. If you say she offended the people, then you are in effect saying that she offended the state. If the state wishes to pursue Patty ODonnell with obstruction of justice being the charge, then Patty ODonnell agrees that she is her person. Additionally, the assumption is made that everyone else (the people) are acting with the capacity of their person. I'll tell you, there sure is a lot of assumptions going on. Because I'm not my legal fiction, and Patty ODonnell did nothing to me, except to presume to act on my behalf.

But that's the problem with this corporate system we have. Human Beings are brainwashed (indoctrinated) to believe that they are free. Trusting as Humans are, they believe it. But on the side, they are conditioned to blindly obey authority, so they do. And when the police pull you over, the entire situation will unfold as if it's on auto pilot, and freedom is a pipe dream at that point. Just in case anyone was wondering, freedom and blindly obeying "authority" are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Just like a person is in opposition to a Human Being. A person is not a Human Being. A person is a fictional character designed for use in this nasty little corporate system we have. A Human Being is a flesh and blood soul, and a flesh and blood soul is inherently free.
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#12 Oct 15, 2014
A Human Being is not a person. A Human Being HAS a person. A person must have an administrator, i.e., a Human Being to run it's affairs. The moment a Human Being believes that they are literally their person, that Human Being is conquered. Human rights at that point are out the window. The Human rights get replaced with the corporate privileges granted to persons.
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#13 Oct 15, 2014
So, are the people, persons? Or, are the people, Human Beings?
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#14 Oct 16, 2014
Statutory definition of license: Certificate or the document itself which gives permission.
So that, after you get taxed on your labor, those who tax you decide to build some roads for you to travel on (public roads). Once you pay for the roads, then you have to ask for permission to use them. Permission is granted in the form of a license, but only after you pay some more money. Adding insult to injury, your permission slip runs out every four years, and of course you have to ask for permission again, and again, and again, and again, and again.
And what if you want to take your son fishing? You guessed it, ask for permission, again, and again, and again, and again.
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#15 Oct 16, 2014
Only someone who is completely ignorant would believe that they are free after they went and asked for permission to take their son fishing, or, to travel on a road that they themselves paid for. It's this same ignorant individual who would claim that they were a person, not knowing what a person was.
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#16 Oct 16, 2014
So when you get pulled over, ask the police if they are a person. No harm, right? The police who understand the game, will probably get aggravated and assume that you are provoking them. It's at this point that you are in danger, for asking a simple question. But it's good to know whether you are dealing with a Human Being, or, a corporate fiction. And just remember, when they ask you for your permission slip, when you give it to them, you just presented to them as your person (your corporate fiction). If you do this, ask yourself how it feels to be in bondage. Because, of course, if you are not permitted to present as anything other than a corporate fiction, you'd be high as a kite to claim that you were free at that point. And if you judge me to be clueless, or, nuts, just ask yourself; why is it that I can't make a counter argument to any of what I deem to be nuts?
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#17 Oct 16, 2014
And then ask yourself; At what point did I enter into an agreement whereby I'd have to identify myself as a corporate fiction (person)?

Can you imagine walking across the street ("jaywalking") and the police stop you. They ask you for your name, so you give them your first name. Then they ask, what's your last name? You tell them you have no last name. They start to get upset with you, because they need your corporate fiction in order to force you into commercial activity (fine you). You ask them why you are being stopped, and they tell you that you are jaywalking. You explain to them that you haven't broken any laws and you are just crossing the street. Not good, is it? Where's your basic human rights?
Patty O-bstruction

Newton Center, MA

#18 Oct 16, 2014
--It's like the Dukes of Hazzard County and Patty O'Furniture is Boss Hogg! She thinks that if 'her' town has to pay for the (real) county (Windham) cops to patrol it then those damn cops oughta understand who's Boss, and the Boss and her good ol boys & girls are off-limits!
(the biggest hazzard is of course the potential Dirty Bomb GE Mark I reactor which Thank God is about to SHUT DOWN, to the great dismay and bitterness of the nuketards of Vernon especially who benefited from the VY $$)
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There was the King in that Shakespeare (F. Bacon) play who didn't Have to make it plain that he wanted his problem/enemy killed, but just hinted at it saying how 'So-and-so is a royal pain in my arse'-and one of his henchmen would understand and take care of the problem, return and wink at the King. So it is also with Boss B!+c#, she expects the ones with the guns & badges allowed and paid to be the cops to all be her toadies/henchmen and not arrest and charge anyone of her coterie for crimes like drunk driving-Her ilk are supposed to be omnipotent and excluded from that which is enforced on the peons. How Dare those Sheriff deputies not understand that the Vernon elite are 'above the law'!?(statues) and that the protection racket which Patty O and gang had with the former Vernon cops was supposed to be transferred to the hands of Anderson and Tuttle!

Matthew 23:25 + 28
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and self-indulgence."
"you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."
.
The only thing Jesus got visibly angry at was the hypocrisy, inequality, partiality, privilege and irresponsibility of the legal monopoly lawyer crony crooks known as the Pharisees. They had a protection racket whereby their twisted versions of God's Law made everyone else burdened and oppressed by their kangaroo 'court' of injustice but they exempted themselves.
.
Piss and vinegar

West Rutland, VT

#19 Nov 15, 2014
Patty O-bstruction wrote:
--It's like the Dukes of Hazzard County and Patty O'Furniture is Boss Hogg! She thinks that if 'her' town has to pay for the (real) county (Windham) cops to patrol it then those damn cops oughta understand who's Boss, and the Boss and her good ol boys & girls are off-limits!
(the biggest hazzard is of course the potential Dirty Bomb GE Mark I reactor which Thank God is about to SHUT DOWN, to the great dismay and bitterness of the nuketards of Vernon especially who benefited from the VY $$)
.
There was the King in that Shakespeare (F. Bacon) play who didn't Have to make it plain that he wanted his problem/enemy killed, but just hinted at it saying how 'So-and-so is a royal pain in my arse'-and one of his henchmen would understand and take care of the problem, return and wink at the King. So it is also with Boss B!+c#, she expects the ones with the guns & badges allowed and paid to be the cops to all be her toadies/henchmen and not arrest and charge anyone of her coterie for crimes like drunk driving-Her ilk are supposed to be omnipotent and excluded from that which is enforced on the peons. How Dare those Sheriff deputies not understand that the Vernon elite are 'above the law'!?(statues) and that the protection racket which Patty O and gang had with the former Vernon cops was supposed to be transferred to the hands of Anderson and Tuttle!
Matthew 23:25 + 28
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and self-indulgence."
"you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."
.
The only thing Jesus got visibly angry at was the hypocrisy, inequality, partiality, privilege and irresponsibility of the legal monopoly lawyer crony crooks known as the Pharisees. They had a protection racket whereby their twisted versions of God's Law made everyone else burdened and oppressed by their kangaroo 'court' of injustice but they exempted themselves.
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I think Vernon is on a good path. Changing out police enforcement has been good for our town especially with regards to getting drunks off the road. I had no idea how many drive the streets of Vernon until the Sherif Department began patrolling. Patty made a bad choice trying to defend a friend inappropriately, that doesn't mean she is wrong about everything.
Patty O Furniture

Rutland, VT

#20 Nov 18, 2014
and that 'bad choice' amounts to Obstruction of Justice- she wanted the DUI arrest 'fixed' or else she would make sure that the sheriff dept contract with the town was undone- that was her threat
She broke the law
As for the patrols in Vernon- the cops were definately seen a lot more on Rt 142 before the change over

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