GMP to raise rates
Going for it

Portland, ME

#22 Aug 5, 2013
Jersey Sure wrote:
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Bend over Vermont, you're really going to get it this time!
We could soon be paying billions for this wind back-up
Telegraph.co.uk
Easy Does It

Plainfield, VT

#23 Aug 5, 2013
Were we not warned that if we dumped the Yankee as our main source, the electric rates would jump up? Time to elect another governor.
I Know More Than You

Monmouth, ME

#24 Aug 5, 2013
Easy Does It wrote:
Were we not warned that if we dumped the Yankee as our main source, the electric rates would jump up? Time to elect another governor.
So you think this increase is tied to VY? I'd be interested in hearing more than a sound bite...
Going for it

Portland, ME

#25 Aug 5, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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So you think this increase is tied to VY? I'd be interested in hearing more than a sound bite...
GMP said as much and that this request is for an increase this year and for another next.

Then there is the aditional costs, based on a percentage of the increasing rates.My assessed Fees for July's bill came to 19% of my bill.
I Know More Than You

Monmouth, ME

#26 Aug 5, 2013
Going for it wrote:
<quoted text> GMP said as much and that this request is for an increase this year and for another next.
Then there is the aditional costs, based on a percentage of the increasing rates.My assessed Fees for July's bill came to 19% of my bill.
In other words, you don't actually have any evidence tying this rate increase to VY.
Scott

Brattleboro, VT

#27 Aug 5, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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So you think this increase is tied to VY? I'd be interested in hearing more than a sound bite...
Do you think it is unrelated to VY? After all they could have bought from VY but didn't.
Going for it

Portland, ME

#28 Aug 5, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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In other words, you don't actually have any evidence tying this rate increase to VY.
GMP has said numerous times that Smart Metering installation and Northeast Kingdom grid stabilization projects became necessary due to wind and solar development and are the cause of the increase. Keeping in mind that most future wind development will also be located in rural lesser developed mountainous regions, it is safe to think that similar expensive fixes are on the horizon. Conversely, the ISO during the recorded fourth highest peak demand ordered intermittent grid destabilizing Industrial wind to dile it back in favor of baseload fossil fuel and nuclear power (VY). Spot market / peak demand prices are significantly higher than contracted prices. Do you believe that GMP will eat those costs?
I Know More Than You

Monmouth, ME

#29 Aug 5, 2013
Fox News Idiot wrote:
Do you think it is unrelated to VY? After all they could have bought from VY but didn't.
I'm asking the person making the assertion to back it up. Why don't help them instead of grinding that axe?

Talk to my Dad yet? Am I grounded?
Going for it

Portland, ME

#30 Aug 5, 2013
VY's ISO black start base load provider reenergize the grid Vernon Dam (purchased and owned by Trans Canada) dissolved their contract with VY. The NRC required new black start capability at VY and so a 3MW generator is to be installed on site by September. Oh Canada!

Are we starting to notice something peculiar yet? I mean besides the fact that the ISO didn't identify Lowell Mountain as a black start grid reenergizer.
I Know More Than You

Monmouth, ME

#31 Aug 5, 2013
Going for it wrote:
VY's ISO black start base load provider reenergize the grid Vernon Dam (purchased and owned by Trans Canada) dissolved their contract with VY. The NRC required new black start capability at VY and so a 3MW generator is to be installed on site by September. Oh Canada!
Are we starting to notice something peculiar yet? I mean besides the fact that the ISO didn't identify Lowell Mountain as a black start grid reenergizer.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Does it cause you physical pain to be so ignorant or is it just shame?
Going for it

Portland, ME

#32 Aug 5, 2013
I'm sorry you weren't able to understand. See if this article helps.

http://ethanallen.org/commentary-free-markets...
Going for it

Portland, ME

#33 Aug 5, 2013
After, read this:

Under the legislature’s feed-in tariff law, the Public Service Board mandated that Green Mountain Power write a check to the investors each year for 25 years in the amount of $661,415. Since the cost to GMP is about four times the cost of electricity from the New England grid, the utility will charge its customers $509,840 a year more than they would otherwise have had to pay for grid power.
Going for it

Portland, ME

#34 Aug 5, 2013
I Know More Than You

Monmouth, ME

#35 Aug 5, 2013
Going for it wrote:
After, read this:
Under the legislature’s feed-in tariff law, the Public Service Board mandated that Green Mountain Power write a check to the investors each year for 25 years in the amount of $661,415. Since the cost to GMP is about four times the cost of electricity from the New England grid, the utility will charge its customers $509,840 a year more than they would otherwise have had to pay for grid power.
So what does this have to do with VY installed a station blackout generator?

Nice strawman though...
Going for it

Portland, ME

#36 Aug 6, 2013
I Know More Than You wrote:
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So what does this have to do with VY installed a station blackout generator?
Nice strawman though...
The the state governments hope that VY would close.
Going for it

Portland, ME

#37 Aug 6, 2013
With the Shumlin administration appearance is everything.
Going for it

Portland, ME

#38 Aug 6, 2013
Only in Vermont can the government so readily convince its populace that ideology is above all else, but (here is the kicker) we were already green. We have run umbilical cords under our lake, covered the valleys and leveled the mountaintops, we have increased our costs and relinquished our voices, we have vilified a US corporation and handed over the reins to a foreign conglomerate. We have accused our neighbors all sorts of despicable things.

And for what?
I Know More Than You

Monmouth, ME

#39 Aug 6, 2013
Going for it wrote:
The the state governments hope that VY would close.
Keep digging.
Going for it

Portland, ME

#40 Aug 6, 2013
Pardon me, I had assumed that you had some background information on the subject. Yankee Rowe and Maine Yankee closed because the economics to operate them no longer made sense. Rowe being too small and Yankee needing steam generators.

The NRC mandated ( safety purposes) multi million dollar VY generator posed another opportunity for VT to force closure. The certificate of public good from the PSB for a genarator at a pre existing industrial site was delayed to the point that the issue went to court. VY prevailed and is installing the generator in spite of outside sources predictions a poor economic outlook for the plant. They have to be questioning where the breaking point lies; where is VY's main artery? The state has at every corner has played this card.
Going for it

Portland, ME

#42 Aug 6, 2013
The economics of ideology and fear.

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