State probe clears Bratt officer in d...

State probe clears Bratt officer in deadly shooting

There are 13 comments on the The Bennington Banner story from Jul 3, 2014, titled State probe clears Bratt officer in deadly shooting. In it, The Bennington Banner reports that:

Brattleboro Police Sgt. Mark Carignan was "legally justified in the use of deadly force" when he shot and killed a man during execution of a search warrant April 4, the Vermont Attorney General's Office has ruled.

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Another Woody Woodward

Danvers, MA

#1 Jul 4, 2014
Parker, Holbrook, and now Carignan
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Unlike with the many witnesses of Robert 'Woody' Woodward's unjustified slaying, a man who threatened no one yet was shot seven times, the 7th bullet going into his back, there was only one witness in the room at the motel to point out that Santiago was wrongfully shot -his girlfriend. He had only drug violations, there was no violence or guns in his 'rap sheet' that they could point to.
And once again the killers were allowed to get the story straight with each other before the 'investigation' ensued
http://justiceforwoody.wtc7.net/
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#2 Jul 4, 2014
Its "legally" justified because the officer is protected by corporate interests. Legal is not the same as lawful. Legal is in reference to statute, and statutes have very little to do with upholding the law. The officer presents in the system as his person (fiction) and this affords him special protection which he could not have in a common law jurisdiction.

Just look at the statutory lingo (legalese). The investigation revolved around the use of "deadly force". Not murder, or, homicide. But what would the investigation look like if it was the police officer who was on the receiving end of the deadly force? The investigation would look completely different. There would be a murder charge, no?

It's unlawful to take the life of a Human Being when that Human Being harmed not a single soul. What Harm did that victim do to someone else to justify being shot in the back? The "officer" was attempting to pursue a Human Being who was not even liable for any statutory obligations, much less to lose his life over the matter.

The gig is up! Human Beings are not "persons" (legal fictions). It's time to stop treating Human Beings like corporate commodities. The police need to realize that they are not above the law.
Dimsumdoll

Wolcott, VT

#3 Jul 4, 2014
They had this man trapped in a motel room with one door. Why in heaven's name didn't they wait him out? This was murder...just like Woody.
Flat Lander

United States

#4 Jul 4, 2014
These comments are known as "hind sight" or others prefer known as your head up you assview. Aren't we all smart resting behind the keyboard rather in the room waiting for the next commercial to come on for a break. Good day liberals.
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#5 Jul 5, 2014
One thing you can be certain of. When you get to the point in your adult life when you find out that you are not a person, but rather, that you HAVE a person, it's hindsight that assures you that the views you've had in your life have been assviews.

And when a person comes to your door who's armed and ready to shoot you because you may or may not have some drugs, you have to wonder, how does a corporation (person) fire a shotgun?
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#6 Jul 5, 2014
Most understand that a corporation designs and manufactures shotguns. But how can a corporation take aim and pull a trigger in order to kill a human being? If you agree with the supreme court, you agree that corporations are persons, and persons have the right to free speech. But do corporations have the right to pull triggers? And how? And why doesn't the statute define a human being? Does this mean that if I'm a self described human being, I can't be found liable under the statute if I take aim, pull a trigger, and another human being ends up being killed?
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#7 Jul 5, 2014
The fact is, if corporations are persons, then persons are corporations. Since corporations are fictional in nature (human made for societal purposes), then it's the humans who manage the fictions, not vice versa. If corporations are managing the humans, then it follows that the humans are not in charge, but it's the idea that is in charge. This is likened unto a race car having some sort of serious malfunction and taking off down the road without an occupant to steer it.

If the humans are not in charge, then they don't exist within a societal structure based on equality. The humans would exist in a hierarchal corporate juggernaut, being managed in their everyday affairs by those corporations (persons) who are "higher up" in the corporate chain of command. Just like when the Wal-Mart cashier must call for assistance from the one with the special key in order to do an override. The cashier can't be trusted to do the most basic of tasks, in much the same way that a human being can't be trusted to get from say, point A to point B without being micromanaged in their travels (seat belt required for safety).

And this is what happens when human beings tolerate being managed as if they are an incapable and infantile.
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#8 Jul 5, 2014
So, if human beings have a person (corporation), and they are not in control of their person, then don't other persons manage their affairs for them?

This is why an unknown person can knock on your door armed with a shotgun, and force statute down your throat under threat of being sent back to the other side if you don't consent to the arbitrary management program.
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#9 Jul 5, 2014
Statute is designed to remove a human being from the equation, in order to render them helpless at the hands of those who manage that particular system.

Gee whiz, you topix monitors need to stop messin with my keyboard.
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#10 Jul 5, 2014
I think the NSA must be running these topix sites.
My Strawman - Not Me

Newton Center, MA

#11 Jul 5, 2014
humans?-they're like sooo passé
.
By 2045 ‘The Top Species Will No Longer Be Humans,’ Physicist Predicts"
..one scenario is that the machines will seek to turn humans into cyborgs."
Business Insider
http://www.businessinsider.com/louis-del-mont...
//
A Chip In The Head: Brain Implants Will Be Connecting People To The Internet By The Year 2020
http://www.infowars.com/a-chip-in-the-head-br...
//
DARPA Continues To Push “Black Box” Brain Chip
http://www.infowars.com/darpa-continues-to-pu...
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#12 Jul 6, 2014
My Strawman - Not Me wrote:
humans?-they're like sooo passé
.
By 2045 ‘The Top Species Will No Longer Be Humans,’ Physicist Predicts"
..one scenario is that the machines will seek to turn humans into cyborgs."
Business Insider
http://www.businessinsider.com/louis-del-mont...
//
A Chip In The Head: Brain Implants Will Be Connecting People To The Internet By The Year 2020
http://www.infowars.com/a-chip-in-the-head-br...
//
DARPA Continues To Push “Black Box” Brain Chip
http://www.infowars.com/darpa-continues-to-pu...
This is the back up plan for when the humans wake out of the artificially induced mental beat down.
vern

Brattleboro, VT

#13 Jul 6, 2014
In order to save yourself from being put at risk of arrest, simply ask the police if the matter is being recorded. When you can confirm that the matter is being recorded, you can ask the following:

"Officer, are you a corporation?"

When the officer says no, ask him or her, "are you a person?"

When the officer say yes, that they are a person, you have it on record that they are contradicting themselves. Under the statute, a person is a corporation, and a corporation is a person.

At the hearing you should be able to access the record, and demonstrate that the officer is negligent and therefore incapable of enforcing statute, as he or she does not know who or what they are, and as a result cannot make a determination as to who or what you are, much less if you are liable for statutory obligations.

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