Say goodbye and good luck to Ukraine

Say goodbye and good luck to Ukraine

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Other peoples money

Rochester, VT

#1 Apr 23, 2014
2. Decide where to build a moat
If the U.S. is not willing to take risks for the sake of Ukraine, it is time to decide what part of the map matters. After World War II, the U.S. came to a decision to reluctantly allow Soviet control of Eastern Europe while protecting the western side of the Iron Curtain. That was a cold calculation for which the people of Poland, Czechoslovakia and elsewhere paid a steep price. But it sent a clear message to Moscow to stop at the edge of that military and ideological barrier.
Washington could just as coldly concede Ukraine, or part of it, to Russia and build a (figurative) moat around it or choose another place on the map to do that. The U.S. must decide how far is too far. It wasn't Crimea. Is it eastern Ukraine, western Ukraine, Moldova, the Baltic states?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/opinion/ghitis-...
Other peoples money

Rochester, VT

#2 Apr 23, 2014
Its a decent analysis, but if this administration follows the same course it has thus far I for see the fourth option as being the most plausible:
4. Say goodbye and good luck to Ukraine
There's one more option for Obama. He can turn his back on Ukraine, wish it well and move on. The U.S. could make a decision that it would rather try to continue working with Putin on issues like Iran and Syria, and allow Russia to do what it wishes in "its part" of the world.
It's a course of action that would satisfy American isolationists, as well as those who accept Russian claims that the troubles are America and Europe's fault. That, unfortunately, would invite even more challenges to world peace, as it would empower bullies everywhere.
Other peoples money

Rochester, VT

#3 Apr 24, 2014
Doesn't anyone give a damn?

Ukraine's small underfunded military vs Russia.
Larry

Montpelier, VT

#4 Apr 24, 2014
I don't think Obama is aware of the history between Russia and Ukraine. I don't think he knows of the 12,000,000 people who were murdered by Stalin through starvation.

Now granted, Obama has sent troops to Poland as a show of force. Yes, 156 soldiers commanded by Peter Sellars.

But rather than asking what the US should do, where's Europe? This is in their proverbial back yard, and they're doing nothing.

Isn't it time for Europe to act instead of waiting for the USA to do all the heavy lifting?
WTFU ToThe NWO-EweCanDoIt

Rutland, VT

#5 Apr 24, 2014
Soetoro AKA Obama doesn't make Any major decisions on his own, no president is allowed to-- the NWO global elite do that for him- WTFU
Sheeple beLIEve the controlled msm such as the NY Times and CFR members like John Mccain and Kerry and Dick Cheney etc., Real people are awoken and see how the same old war-fomenting bullsh't is being played out yet again. Now attacks on jews in Ukraine done by globalist-hired goons are being blamed on Russia
the culprits are in Kyiv and Washington
http://www.infowars.com/false-flag-registry-f...
BBC tells some truth for a change
http://www.infowars.com/bbc-now-admits-armed-...
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NY Times Publishes Fabricated Evidence of Russian Troops in Eastern Ukraine
Kiev & Washington contrive dubious war propaganda
Photos purporting to show Russian Special Forces operating in Eastern Ukraine were in fact an amateur fabrication on behalf of the post-coup Kiev government yet the New York Times blithely regurgitated them as part of the mass marketing campaign for World War III.
www.infowars.com/ny-times-publishes-fabricate...
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NYT Caught Creating Fake War Propaganda in Ukraine
Just Like Iraq
Mayor of Slovyansk in Ukraine says photos are of his friends
Following two days of propaganda centered upon dubious photographs the junta in Kyiv and the war machine media in the United States insist proves the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine, The New York Times has issued a retraction. It is buried on page A9 of the newspaper.
www.infowars.com/nyt-issues-back-page-retract...
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CIA Is Quietly Ramping Up Aid To Syrian Rebels
NPR
www.infowars.com/cia-is-quietly-ramping-up-ai...
^ hey NPR-loving libtards look!- Infowars is actually running an NPR article!
Other peoples money

Rochester, VT

#6 Apr 24, 2014
Larry wrote:
I don't think Obama is aware of the history between Russia and Ukraine. I don't think he knows of the 12,000,000 people who were murdered by Stalin through starvation.
Now granted, Obama has sent troops to Poland as a show of force. Yes, 156 soldiers commanded by Peter Sellars.
But rather than asking what the US should do, where's Europe? This is in their proverbial back yard, and they're doing nothing.
Isn't it time for Europe to act instead of waiting for the USA to do all the heavy lifting?
So you vote is to continue the global destabilization.
Community Disorganizer

Trumbull, CT

#7 Apr 24, 2014
Nothing to be concerned with, Barry has Biden working on it.
Larry

Montpelier, VT

#8 Apr 26, 2014
Yes, everybody's crazy Uncle Joe, the walking gaff machine. Next to him, Dan Quayle is a rocket scientist!
Bratty Bratt

Montpelier, VT

#9 Apr 26, 2014
Larry wrote:
I don't think Obama is aware of the history between Russia and Ukraine. I don't think he knows of the 12,000,000 people who were murdered by Stalin through starvation.
Now granted, Obama has sent troops to Poland as a show of force. Yes, 156 soldiers commanded by Peter Sellars.
But rather than asking what the US should do, where's Europe? This is in their proverbial back yard, and they're doing nothing.
Isn't it time for Europe to act instead of waiting for the USA to do all the heavy lifting?
I persoanlly am all for staying out of it. Russia has a minset completely different from ours; we can't even begin to comprehend the huge gulf between their thinking patterns and ours. You have to go back to the Tsars.
CFR- LearnAboutItAnd WTFU

Rutland, VT

#10 Apr 29, 2014
Williston Whacko wrote:
Doesn't anyone give a damn?
Ukraine's small underfunded military vs Russia.
oh yes, many do, like Dick Cheney and John McCain and John Kerry and all the other top CFR members who want us to arm the neoNazis against Russia
George Soros who personally funded the rioters in the original Kiev uprising is also CFR
and this guy...
Former U.S. Diplomat (James Jeffrey):
'Send U.S. Ground Troops to Ukraine'
CFR member wants to heighten tension with Russia
www.infowars.com/former-u-s-diplomat-send-u-s...
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CFR Unveils Global Governance Agenda
Infowars, 2009
www.infowars.com/cfr-unveils-global-governanc...
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Hillary Clinton admits that the CFR runs the Government
2009 vid
www.infowars.com/hillary-clinton-admits-that-...
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CFR Calls On Obama to ‘Befriend ‘ Al-Qaeda Terrorist Group
Jan 2014
www.infowars.com/cfr-calls-on-obama-to-befrie...
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Flashback:
Right after 9/11, CFR member speaking at CFR hq says 'Let's use this tragedy to further our New World Order agenda"
http://www.google.com/#q=cfr+infowars+gary+ha... +
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Dick Cheney speaking at the CFR hq admitting that he kept mum about about CR membership back in Montana since many are too patriotic and are on to the evil of the globalist elite CFR scum
http://www.google.com/#q=cfr+infowars+cheney&...
NWO- LearnAboutItAnd WTFU

Rutland, VT

#11 Apr 29, 2014
BTW, that youtube vid linked to above of the CFR member that suggested using the tragedy of 9/11 (inside job) to further their 'New World Order' plan was democrat Gary Hart.
He was referring to how Bush Sr. used the NWO term, and it was Not just once but MANY times that George Bush Sr. promoted the 'New World Order' and even a more empowered United Nations to to help run it!
Hmm, a supposed 'conservative' being for a more powerful UN? Only when one understands that the NWO agenda has nothing to do with party politics but elite global bankster secret society muthaf*ers taking over Everything, the NWO is all about them putting together a one-world govt. run by Them, the global plantation where the rest of us, those they let survive their WW III, are the slaves

it's a couple hours long but a great primer on the NWO, call it 'NWO 1012'
->
'Invisible Empire A New World Order Defined'
www.youtube.com/results...

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