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Trust Fund Coalition Writes Letter to PB Urging Funding Litigation Sources

There are 103 comments on the www.virtueonline.org story from Apr 15, 2011, titled Trust Fund Coalition Writes Letter to PB Urging Funding Litigation Sources. In it, www.virtueonline.org reports that:

A coalition of conservative Episcopalians calling themselves "The Trust Fund Coalition," alarmed by reports that TEC is using trust funds for litigation against dioceses, parishes, and clergy that have transferred to other Anglican jurisdictions, have written an Open Letter to the Presiding Bishop and Executive Council of The Episcopal Church asking for a public accounting of the names of the trust funds used and the amounts ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Apr 15, 2011
from virtueonline:

"Reported analyses of TEC's financial statements and Executive Committee minutes indicate TEC has spent over $6 million on litigation and this amount includes money from trust funds, many of which were originally gifted to the Domestic and Foreign Missionary Society (part of TEC) for mission purposes. As litigation is ongoing, expenses will continue to be incurred.

"TEC has initiated over fifty lawsuits in California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin. The lawsuits seek to acquire property owned by dioceses and parishes. They sometimes include actions against vestry members ..."

TEC's membership should be aware of how much was spent on litigation, the trust funds used for litigation and the amounts taken from each, etc.
Think Again

Warsaw, NC

#2 Apr 15, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
from virtueonline:
"Reported analyses of TEC's financial statements and Executive Committee minutes indicate TEC has spent over $6 million on litigation and this amount includes money from trust funds, many of which were originally gifted to the Domestic and Foreign Missionary Society (part of TEC) for mission purposes. As litigation is ongoing, expenses will continue to be incurred.
"TEC has initiated over fifty lawsuits in California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin. The lawsuits seek to acquire property owned by dioceses and parishes. They sometimes include actions against vestry members ..."
TEC's membership should be aware of how much was spent on litigation, the trust funds used for litigation and the amounts taken from each, etc.
Good for them. A public accounting should be in order but I doubt it will be forthcoming. TEC is under Schoria law and she is in total control much like a dictator.

Since: Aug 09

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#3 Apr 16, 2011
Think Again wrote:
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Good for them. A public accounting should be in order but I doubt it will be forthcoming. TEC is under Schoria law and she is in total control much like a dictator.
..LMFAO!!!...(The "F" stands for Friar)

Don't you have any unrepentant sinners over there in the LCBS?

If you don't, perhaps you could go to Church on Sunday to refresh their memories as to what one really looks like.

I am personally comfortable with the fact that you have such animosity toward Bp. Jefferts-Schori. It is not justified at all. But, it will likely prevent you from getting anywhere near her.

You are quite obviously an unrepentant, homophobic, misogynistic bigot.

RK
Think Again

Warsaw, NC

#4 Apr 16, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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..LMFAO!!!...(The "F" stands for Friar)
Don't you have any unrepentant sinners over there in the LCBS?
If you don't, perhaps you could go to Church on Sunday to refresh their memories as to what one really looks like.
I am personally comfortable with the fact that you have such animosity toward Bp. Jefferts-Schori. It is not justified at all. But, it will likely prevent you from getting anywhere near her.
You are quite obviously an unrepentant, homophobic, misogynistic bigot.
RK
A personal attack on me from a supposed Reverend. Very Christian like but we have come to expect that from you and your ilk.

Deal with the article. Do you support a public accounting?

If you are in fact a priest all of this litigation could affect your retirement.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#5 Apr 16, 2011
Think Again wrote:
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A personal attack on me from a supposed Reverend. Very Christian like but we have come to expect that from you and your ilk.
Deal with the article. Do you support a public accounting?
If you are in fact a priest all of this litigation could affect your retirement.
Pot meet TA AGAIN!

LOL @ TA!

Why do you spend so much time for things you are against, are you for anything?

Do tell..........

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#6 Apr 16, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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..LMFAO!!!...(The "F" stands for Friar)
Don't you have any unrepentant sinners over there in the LCBS?
If you don't, perhaps you could go to Church on Sunday to refresh their memories as to what one really looks like.
I am personally comfortable with the fact that you have such animosity toward Bp. Jefferts-Schori. It is not justified at all. But, it will likely prevent you from getting anywhere near her.
You are quite obviously an unrepentant, homophobic, misogynistic bigot.
RK
She's a women, that's what he hates.

I'm proud to be one of your 'ilk'!

I'm humbled by my experience of Love.......
Think Again

Warsaw, NC

#7 Apr 16, 2011
MiddleWay wrote:
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She's a women, that's what he hates.
I'm proud to be one of your 'ilk'!
I'm humbled by my experience of Love.......
You love only those who agree with you. Jesus said that was easy.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#8 Apr 16, 2011
MiddleWay wrote:
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She's a women, that's what he hates ...
Where have I heard this before?

Oh yes: if you disagree with Obama on Libyan intervention, stimulus funds, Green Jobs, etc., you're a racist.
Think Again

Warsaw, NC

#9 Apr 16, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Where have I heard this before?
Oh yes: if you disagree with Obama on Libyan intervention, stimulus funds, Green Jobs, etc., you're a racist.
Middle way can never argue points only call names. It is the liberal way and it has been ingrained in him since he drank the kool aid.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#10 Apr 16, 2011
Think Again wrote:
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A personal attack on me from a supposed Reverend. Very Christian like but we have come to expect that from you and your ilk.
Deal with the article. Do you support a public accounting?
If you are in fact a priest all of this litigation could affect your retirement.
I don't worry about my retirement, you idiot!
Remember the few words of Jesus provided at the end of the sixth chapter of Matthew? Probably not.

Christ Jesus was real nice to the Pharisees, too.

A personal attack on YOU? No. Just a statement of fact based upon the content of your personal attacks on Rev. Katherine Jefferts-Schori and others who you have consistently shown that you regard as inferior.

Rev. Jefferts-Schori is performing her duties as directed by the House of Bishops and the House of Deputies of The Episcopal Church. She doesn't dictate, she serves with exceptional competence. Among her many duties and responsibilities are her orders to pursue all legal and litigious avenues in the civil court system to recover the Church assets that have been surreptitiously taken by the rogue factions. These factions are being led by incredibly selfish and misguided clergy who are themselves being encouraged by the likes of Akinola and Venables.

I personally know some of these people and have personally heard Venables speak at length about this activity and have met and spoken directly to him. I have also personally heard, met and spoken with Rev. Jefferts-Schori. I know what I am talking about. You do not know what you are talking about.

I know which one is being led by the Holy Spirit and which one is not.

We in TEC have one thing in mind with this effort. Those who would steal from their fellow Christians and turn their followers against the very people who are loyal to the Church, while also claiming to retain spiritual authority, must be taught that they are completely free to leave. But, they cannot be allowed to freely engage in their hypocrisy by willfully using the assets that belong to those from whom they are departing to facilitate their departure.

In many instances, The Anglican Church and other Protestant Churches did exactly this 500 years ago. The schism with the Roman Church was very much justified. But, the taking of its assets to support the move was a faithless political theft that is being repeated today by those leaving The Episcopal, Evangelical Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist and other Churches over similar disagreements.

Faith is a personal commitment, not dependent upon money. Likewise, stewardship is a collective effort demanding responsible and moral integrity. Under no circumstances can any Church or Parish allow former members of its clergy to steal financial and physical assets that have already been committed and given into the ministry of the Church when these former members disagree with their Church and engage in open revolt.

Let those who wish to leave over spiritual and theological disagreements do so with a fresh start, untainted with the act of theft. Let it be for them an act of faith.

But, if instead, they choose to steal in their attempt to escape while flying under their banner of self-righteousness, pursue them with a vengeance and recover and account for every penny stolen - or force them to defend their chicanery until they have spent every stolen farthing of advantage that they thought they could use as leverage to gain credibility as they kicked themselves away from their parent institution.

The shrill calls for public accounting that you so haughtily espouse is sure evidence that these legal efforts are hitting ever closer to the proper mark. Soon, the appeals will be reaching the highest courts and the absconders themselves will be forced to render the very accounting that they now are trying to use as a last defense in order to halt the debilitating losses.

Remember the saying, "If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off!"

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#11 Apr 16, 2011
RevKen wrote:
Rev. Jefferts-Schori is performing her duties as directed by the House of Bishops and the House of Deputies of The Episcopal Church. She doesn't dictate ...
She litigates!

"TEC has initiated over fifty lawsuits in California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin. The lawsuits seek to acquire property owned by dioceses and parishes. They sometimes include actions against vestry members ..."

TEC's membership is entitled to know how much money was spent on this litigation.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#12 Apr 16, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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She litigates!
"TEC has initiated over fifty lawsuits in California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin. The lawsuits seek to acquire property owned by dioceses and parishes. They sometimes include actions against vestry members ..."
TEC's membership is entitled to know how much money was spent on this litigation.
What's it to YOU, Roman?

I see by your own words and admission that you prefer to lie about all of this.

..LOL!...

First you write, "She litigates!"

Then, in the very next sentence, you write, "TEC has initiated over fifty lawsuits ..."

Which is it? Is it she that litigates? Or is it TEC that litigates?

Never mind. I know the answer.

You, on the other hand are clueless and are repeatedly willing to show your irresponsible cluelessness to eveyone on these threads. Why you are so willing to do so is a mystery. But, Hey! Whatever blows your skirt up...

RK
Think Again

Warsaw, NC

#13 Apr 16, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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I know which one is being led by the Holy Spirit and which one is not.
So now in addition to judging actions you can judge hearts. Wow, you elevate your importance every time you open your mouth.

The Holy Spirit will not lead in a way contrary to Scripture. So I think your uneducated guess is wrong.

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#14 Apr 16, 2011
The funding for legal defense of TEC was approved by the General Convention. End of discussion.
Think Again

Warsaw, NC

#15 Apr 16, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
The funding for legal defense of TEC was approved by the General Convention. End of discussion.
Where is the money coming from?
Think Again

Warsaw, NC

#16 Apr 16, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
The funding for legal defense of TEC was approved by the General Convention. End of discussion.
Also, do you have a resolution number for this approval? If it was in fact approved you should be able to find one.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#17 Apr 16, 2011
RevKen wrote:
What's it to YOU, Roman?...
Why don't you ask the former Roman who know heads TEC and its litigious lawyers?

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#18 Apr 16, 2011
Think Again wrote:
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So now in addition to judging actions you can judge hearts. Wow, you elevate your importance every time you open your mouth.
The Holy Spirit will not lead in a way contrary to Scripture. So I think your uneducated guess is wrong.
Sorry to see you so full of doubt, TA. Especially when the very scripture that you so frequently use as your source of absolute inerrancy flatly states that the Holy Spirit will provide the faculty of discernment.

Apparently, for all the claiming of inerrancy and assertion of the unquestionable Truth in scripture, you don't actually believe it.

You haven't met either of these people, Jefferts-Schori or Venables, have you?

The answer is NO. You have not.

Furthermore, you could not keep an open mind if you were to meet either of them, especially Jefferts-Schori, which open-mindedness is an absolute necessity if you are going to allow and expect the Holy Spirit to provide you with the faculty of discernment at that moment.

You have already made up your mind.

You have a "sequoia" of personal animus that has grown up and through and is now stuck in your eye, TA.

No worries, though. The Master Lumberjack, Christ Jesus, is making his way through the forest toward you with a very big chainsaw. When He reaches you, He will make a very large pile of sawdust out of your precious sequoia. Let's hope that your head survives the removal.

RK
Think Again

Warsaw, NC

#19 Apr 16, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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Sorry to see you so full of doubt, TA. Especially when the very scripture that you so frequently use as your source of absolute inerrancy flatly states that the Holy Spirit will provide the faculty of discernment.
Apparently, for all the claiming of inerrancy and assertion of the unquestionable Truth in scripture, you don't actually believe it.
You haven't met either of these people, Jefferts-Schori or Venables, have you?
The answer is NO. You have not.
Furthermore, you could not keep an open mind if you were to meet either of them, especially Jefferts-Schori, which open-mindedness is an absolute necessity if you are going to allow and expect the Holy Spirit to provide you with the faculty of discernment at that moment.
You have already made up your mind.
You have a "sequoia" of personal animus that has grown up and through and is now stuck in your eye, TA.
No worries, though. The Master Lumberjack, Christ Jesus, is making his way through the forest toward you with a very big chainsaw. When He reaches you, He will make a very large pile of sawdust out of your precious sequoia. Let's hope that your head survives the removal.
RK
I never met Hitler either but know he was evil. I never met Obama but I know he is leading this country astray. I never met Schori but I know the heresies she has espoused in public. So your comparison falls flat.

Discernment? So when you make judgments it is discernment and when I make judgments it is terrible, wrong, and sinful. I got it now.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#20 Apr 16, 2011
Think Again wrote:
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I never met Hitler either but know he was evil. I never met Obama but I know he is leading this country astray. I never met Schori but I know the heresies she has espoused in public. So your comparison falls flat.
Discernment? So when you make judgments it is discernment and when I make judgments it is terrible, wrong, and sinful. I got it now.
No. You never got it. And you're not about to, either.

Comparing Jefferts-Schori to Hitler and Obama is, frankly and laughably absurd.

Your question about discernment through the Holy Spirit shows just how much you actually believe.

Sorry, bud.

RK

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