Planned Parenthood wants state of South Dakota restrained

[cpeter1313]

There is no such guarantee, and people live in the present, not the future. If the fetus doesn't have a brain, then it's not alive.

chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>The baby is on its way to a full life not death. Do you see the difference?

[cpeter1313]

No, some illiterate preacher-man told you this and you just swallowed it with the kool-aid.

There is exactly one mention of fetuses in the bible, and it refers to what happens when a man causes a woman to lose her pregnancy. The terrible punishment for this unforgivable crime? The husband gets to set a reasonable fine. That's IT. THAT is all the regard your book has for a fetus, period.

chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>It does say in the bible, you would have to be open to finding it.

[cpeter1313]

There is a term for that: buttinsky.

I see a need to tell children that their parents and churches lie to them because there is no god.

chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>Nope, I've already learned that if there is a need and I can fill it, I do it.

[pbfa]

Fred wrote:

How about if those that are pro-choice seek out abortions if they feel its needed and those that are pro-life not seek out abortions if they feel its not needed.
And just leave each other alone and let God judge?
And focus all this negative energy into finding the cures to the bigger ills of the world rather than continually creating them amongst each other over something we will never find common ground on. EVER.

Fred, that's an excellent & loving approach. Thank you for the note of rationality combined with compassion.

[pbfa]

chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>It does say in the bible, you would have to be open to finding it.

Or have the spoon make it up for you.

[chooselife]

cpeter1313 wrote:

There is no such guarantee, and people live in the present, not the future. If the fetus doesn't have a brain, then it's not alive.
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That is a stupid statement, by you!

[chooselife]

cpeter1313 wrote:

There is a term for that: buttinsky.
I see a need to tell children that their parents and churches lie to them because there is no god.
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Then you lie.

[chooselife]

cpeter1313 wrote:

No, some illiterate preacher-man told you this and you just swallowed it with the kool-aid.
There is exactly one mention of fetuses in the bible, and it refers to what happens when a man causes a woman to lose her pregnancy. The terrible punishment for this unforgivable crime? The husband gets to set a reasonable fine. That's IT. THAT is all the regard your book has for a fetus, period.
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Wrong. Read Luke.

[C Hamilton]

chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>Wrong. Read Luke.

I assume you're referring to the story of Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist, and Mary, the mother of Jesus, while both were pregnant?

"And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:"
Luke 1:39-41

As much as you would like this to mean that all fetuses are sentient persons because one is recorded as knowing Mary's words and then leapt inside the womb, the logic is as flawed as the Isaiah misquote. Biblically, this is a miraculous event. It describes a divine prophet whom God had ordained since before he was conceived. And this time it's even more miraculous, because the gestating John the Baptist is reacting to the approach of Mary, who at the time was pregnant with Jesus. Unless you believe all of us are chosen before birth to be the divine prophet ordained by God to herald the arrival of Christ on earth, then you cannot claim this passage refers to every fetus -- it does not. While gestating fetuses are known to move and kick as their nervous systems and muscles are under construction, only divinely-inspired babies understand the spoken words of the mother of Jesus and can leap in recognition. Try again, fool.

[chooselife]

C Hamilton wrote:

<quoted text>I assume you're referring to the story of Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist, and Mary, the mother of Jesus, while both were pregnant?
"And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:"
Luke 1:39-41
As much as you would like this to mean that all fetuses are sentient persons because one is recorded as knowing Mary's words and then leapt inside the womb, the logic is as flawed as the Isaiah misquote. Biblically, this is a miraculous event. It describes a divine prophet whom God had ordained since before he was conceived. And this time it's even more miraculous, because the gestating John the Baptist is reacting to the approach of Mary, who at the time was pregnant with Jesus. Unless you believe all of us are chosen before birth to be the divine prophet ordained by God to herald the arrival of Christ on earth, then you cannot claim this passage refers to every fetus -- it does not. While gestating fetuses are known to move and kick as their nervous systems and muscles are under construction, only divinely-inspired babies understand the spoken words of the mother of Jesus and can leap in recognition. Try again, fool.

The fact that God is all knowing, almighty, and all loving He has especially chosen each and every one of us. Every hair on our head is numbered (DNA) and He knows every one of them before, during, and after.

[Conservative Democrat]

chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>Nope, I've already learned that if there is a need and I can fill it, I do it.

Fair enough. So what happens when the person, whom YOU have decided you are going to help, after YOU starting to offer the help, tells you to PISS OFF? Do you insist in helping? Do you walk away condemning them for not allowing them to help you? Do you simply walk away without saying anything? Which is it Choozie?

[chooselife]

Conservative Democrat wrote:

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Fair enough. So what happens when the person, whom YOU have decided you are going to help, after YOU starting to offer the help, tells you to PISS OFF? Do you insist in helping? Do you walk away condemning them for not allowing them to help you? Do you simply walk away without saying anything? Which is it Choozie?

I say, okay, if you change your mind....

[cpeter1313]

Not as stupid as your rebuttal.

chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>That is a stupid statement, by you!

[cpeter1313]

Prove it.

chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>Then you lie.

[cpeter1313]

Then evidently your god is intensely stupid--he knows fetuses are going to be aborted and doesn't prevent the pregnancy in the first place. If he is all-knowing, he knows that the woman in question WILL abort.

He might also want to explain why, if fertilized eggs are people, he allows 75% of them to be flushed away with the first menstruation. Unless, of course, he's just too dumb to prevent it, being all-powerful and all.

chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>The fact that God is all knowing, almighty, and all loving He has especially chosen each and every one of us. Every hair on our head is numbered (DNA) and He knows every one of them before, during, and after.

[Aged]

cpeter1313 wrote:

Not as stupid as your rebuttal.
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I like the new and improved you! No reason to call someone an idiot - their posts speak for themselves. I was thinking you would put up a "lamb" as an avatar? Seems as though you are attached to whatshisface... I do find it amusing that it does open up a corridor for conversation - Vlad! The! Impaler! Best to you Mr. Ginsu!
:-)

[Conservative Democrat]

chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>I say, okay, if you change your mind....

Really? When was the last time you tried to "help" a woman going in for an abortion, who told you to "piss off," and to whom you said, "okay, if you change your mind.......[?]"

[chooselife]

cpeter1313 wrote:

Then evidently your god is intensely stupid--he knows fetuses are going to be aborted and doesn't prevent the pregnancy in the first place. If he is all-knowing, he knows that the woman in question WILL abort.
He might also want to explain why, if fertilized eggs are people, he allows 75% of them to be flushed away with the first menstruation. Unless, of course, he's just too dumb to prevent it, being all-powerful and all.
<quoted text>

That indicates the amount of responsibility we have. Not to mention your distorted and disordered mindset.

[chooselife]

Conservative Democrat wrote:

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Really? When was the last time you tried to "help" a woman going in for an abortion, who told you to "piss off," and to whom you said, "okay, if you change your mind.......[?]"

You didn't read any of the 40 days for life testimony did you.

[C Hamilton]

cpeter1313 wrote:

Then evidently your god is intensely stupid--he knows fetuses are going to be aborted and doesn't prevent the pregnancy in the first place. If he is all-knowing, he knows that the woman in question WILL abort.
He might also want to explain why, if fertilized eggs are people, he allows 75% of them to be flushed away with the first menstruation. Unless, of course, he's just too dumb to prevent it, being all-powerful and all.
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Exactly!