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The Woods

#28495 Dec 23, 2013
My Hero wrote:
HONOLULU – President Obama has enrolled in the federal health-care insurance exchanges, selecting a bronze-tiered insurance plan on the D.C. marketplace, the White House announced Monday.
In advance of Monday’s key enrollment deadline, Obama signed up for coverage over the weekend during the start of his holiday vacation here in Hawaii in what a White House official described as a “symbolic” act to promote the Affordable Care Act, his signature legislative achievement.
The president’s health care will continue to be provided by the military, according to a statement distributed to reporters from a White House official who demanded anonymity.
Still, the White House official added, Obama “was pleased to participate in a plan as a show of support for these marketplaces which are providing quality, affordable health-care options to more than a million people.”
“symbolic” act to promote the Affordable health care act. Symbolic is all it is. Obama is a lying POS.
Reality Check

Hot Springs National Park, AR

#28496 Dec 23, 2013
My Hero wrote:
HONOLULU – President Obama has enrolled in the federal health-care insurance exchanges, selecting a bronze-tiered insurance plan on the D.C. marketplace, the White House announced Monday.
In advance of Monday’s key enrollment deadline, Obama signed up for coverage over the weekend during the start of his holiday vacation here in Hawaii in what a White House official described as a “symbolic” act to promote the Affordable Care Act, his signature legislative achievement.
The president’s health care will continue to be provided by the military, according to a statement distributed to reporters from a White House official who demanded anonymity.
Still, the White House official added, Obama “was pleased to participate in a plan as a show of support for these marketplaces which are providing quality, affordable health-care options to more than a million people.”
Bronze? If it's so great and so cheap, why did he pick the lowest tiered plan? Even if he doesn't have to use it, why didn't he just get the most expensive plan to show how great he thinks his own bill is? Probably because he is being an authentic liberal, only wanting to use other people's money to get the nation out of trouble.
Reality Revisited

North Little Rock, AR

#28498 Dec 24, 2013
In 1834, Illinois voted whether to adopt Christmas as a legal holiday. Among those voting "nay" was the young Abraham Lincoln.
In 1834, Lincoln had not yet grown out of his atheist phase, but the young Lincoln's lack of faith in God -- and his lifelong disbelief in the divinity of Christ -- does not explain his vote. In 1834, a vote against Christmas was a safe, even a conventional vote.
Not a single state in the Union closed its offices for Christmas on December 25 in 1834. Lincoln marked his first Christmas as President, in December 1861, by holding a Cabinet meeting in the morning and a dinner party in the evening. The Lincoln family never had a White House tree and sent no Christmas cards.
Nobody was much shocked by these omissions.
The public Christmas as Americans know it today did not take form until late in the 19th century. George Washington issued a proclamation on Thanksgiving, but he never made any statement about Christmas (or Easter for that matter). The first state to recognize Christmas as a holiday was Alabama, in 1836, but the North and especially New England resisted. Not until 1856 did Massachusetts accept Christmas as a holiday. The federal government took until 1870 to follow.
There's debate on the point, but it seems that Benjamin Harrison was the first president to allow a Christmas tree inside the White House in 1889.
The tradition of lighting a tree on the White House grounds commenced with Calvin Coolidge in 1923. Dwight Eisenhower sent the first White House Christmas cards. Eisenhower's cards, however, were always determinedly "seasonal." It waited until John F. Kennedy in 1963 to send a card that depicted a nativity scene.
This late flowering of Christmas observance reflects two facts about Christmas that seldom get much attention in our public debates about the "war on Christmas."
In its first century, the national government practiced a separation of church and state far sharper than anything Americans would accept today.
One example: From its founding in 1775, the federal post office delivered mail on Sundays. As evangelical forms of Christianity spread after 1800, the new denominations demanded an end to this desecration of the Sabbath. Some postmasters took it upon themselves to close operations. In response, Congress voted in 1810 to require all postmasters to work at least one hour on Sunday, on pain of losing their positions.
The Americans of the founding generations insisted upon separation of church and state not because they were irreligious, but precisely because so many of them were so very intensely religious. Because religion mattered so much to early Americans, so did religious differences.
Calvinists and Baptists, Methodists and Catholics, the grandest Boston rector and the rawest frontier preacher disagreed, sometimes to the point of outright violence. Anti-Catholic riots ripped apart Boston, Philadelphia and Bath, Maine, between the 1830s and 1850s.
These contending denominations could, however, agree at least that they did not want a remote government in Washington favoring some religious practices over others. Better to deliver the mail on Sunday than debate who was right about the Sabbath. Better to issue no religious proclamations than let presidents pick and choose which holy days to mark and how to mark them.
Reality Revisited2

North Little Rock, AR

#28499 Dec 24, 2013
A second fact also explains the coolness of the early national government to Christianity: the keen awareness of many 19th century Christians of the non-Christian origins of many Christmas traditions.
Christmas is celebrated near the date of the old Roman holiday of Saturnalia. Gift-giving on the day was also a Roman tradition. The Christmas tree, the hanging of wreaths and house-to-house caroling hark back to the pre-Christian German holiday of Yule.
Calvinists had abandoned their outright ban on Christmas observance on the late 17th century. But many Protestant denominations retained a lingering suspicion of the holiday until deep into the 19th century.
Two changes made possible the coalescing of an official Christmas holiday over the 40 years from Calvin Coolidge's outdoor Christmas tree to John F. Kennedy's sacral Christmas card: The fading of distinctions between Christians and the decline of theology within Christianity.
The once all-crucial distinctions between Calvinists and Arminians (whose beliefs came from Dutch reformist Jacobus Arminius) and between even Protestants and Catholics have blurred. The once-vivid mistrust of trees and tinsel and burning logs has vanished, as American Christianity evolved away from a creed in which people believed and into a set of practices that people did. If Christians decorate trees, then tree decorating must be Christian -- no matter how or why the custom started and what the custom meant to the people who started it.
Devout Christian believers can still be counted in the millions of course. Surrounding them, however, is a larger and more nebulous group for whom what was once a faith has become a folkway. For them, a Christmas tree or a nativity scene is less a declaration of individual belief than it is an expression of group identity.
Many Americans feel this group identity to be under threat by changes in recent years.
When they champion "Christmas as it was," they do not mean "Christmas as it was for George Washington or Abraham Lincoln" and much less "Christmas as it was for Martin Luther or Jonathan Edwards." They mean, "Christmas as it was when I was young."
That is why we have eruptions such as last week's flap over the whiteness of Santa Claus. If your Christmas celebrates the appearance of God Himself in the form of a human baby, it won't have a lot of room for a gift-giving elf and flying reindeer. But if Santa is at most tangential to the Christmas of faith, he is utterly central to the Christmas of folkway.
It is the Christmas of folkway that is the Christmas so passionately defended by those who talk about "the war on Christmas."
The Christmas of Santa and Rudolph, and trees and stockings, and candy canes and "Merry Christmas" greetings began to be most publicly celebrated in the United States only after -- and only because -- the religious impetus for the holiday had already dwindled away.

Editor's note: David Frum, a CNN contributor, is a contributing editor at The Daily Beast. He is the author of eight books, including a new novel, "Patriots," and a post-election e-book, "Why Romney Lost." Frum was a special assistant to President George W. Bush from 2001 to 2002.

Since: Dec 10

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#28501 Dec 24, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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Bronze? If it's so great and so cheap, why did he pick the lowest tiered plan? Even if he doesn't have to use it, why didn't he just get the most expensive plan to show how great he thinks his own bill is? Probably because he is being an authentic liberal, only wanting to use other people's money to get the nation out of trouble

Authentic Liberal, based on that idea, could it not be said that George W. Bush was a authentic Conservative when he used "other people's money" when he lead this Republic into trouble?
Reality Check

Hot Springs National Park, AR

#28502 Dec 24, 2013
Reality Revisited2 wrote:
A second fact also explains the coolness of the early national government to Christianity: the keen awareness of many 19th century Christians of the non-Christian origins of many Christmas traditions.
First off, Christmas for Christians, has always and will always be about the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Now does that mean on the 25th of December? No one truly knows the exact date as the Bible does not tell us. As for the Sabbath, it's not on Sunday. By definition, the Sabbath is on the seventh day of the week which is Saturday. Whether or not one works on the Sabbath is one of those "Jesus plus" concepts that constanly plagues Christianity. Everything from wearing suits and dresses to church to being required to go to Wednesday night service in order to go to Heaven are all things that man has added to God's word as requirements to enter Heaven. The Saducees and Pharacies were the first to use "Jesus plus" by requiring people to live up to mans law of the land as a requirement for entering Heaven. They were wrong as Jesus proved time and time again and so is anyone who uses that method today. All that is required for salvation is for an individual to admit they are a sinner, believe Jesus died on the cross for their sins, confess their sins to Jesus, ask Him for forgiveness for those sins, and ask Him to come into their life as Lord and Savior. If a person sincerely does this, there will be a transformation in their lives that will cause them to turn from their old self and walk in the Light of their new life without any "Jesus plus" acts of sacrifice. Long story short, it is us that gets in the way of Christianity, and not the other way around.
Reality Check

Hot Springs National Park, AR

#28503 Dec 24, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
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Authentic Liberal, based on that idea, could it not be said that George W. Bush was a authentic Conservative when he used "other people's money" when he lead this Republic into trouble?
You forget that I have said on countless occasions that I never thought George Bush was a great president. He got into practicing liberalism and it ruined his legacy plain and simple. You either intentionally or unintentionally missed my point which was that liberals NEVER put their money where their mouth is. They always put other people's money where their mouth is. That's why liberals get into trouble and liberalism doesn't work. A person can spend untold amounts in an irresponsible manner when they have no skin of their own in the game. It's exactly the reason we are in such financial trouble now. None of the Washington elite have any skin in the game, it's all our skin. To make it even more difficult to see the error of their ways, they cloak their theft in moral supremecy artificially elevating themselves above the "common people" and we are sick of it. The backlash on Obamacare has highlighted this.
FYI

United States

#28504 Dec 24, 2013
First of all seperation of church and state is the biggest lie sold to the American people in history. As one has to understand "faith" isn't a thing, its more of a state of being.. Having said that in order to have seperation of church and state you have to have or must have all nonreligious people voting on a matter or you have to accept that religion is part of their vote(the ones who are religious). Our laws that deal with religion are based on the efforts of keeping the government out of our Churches and not the other way around, the founding fathers had a very good understanding of what happended to religious matters when a government was involved into them, I'm sure they had heard stories from their parents and grandparents about the old world from which they had came and after winning their own nation noted into its constitution laws that protected such freedoms.

Since: Dec 10

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#28505 Dec 24, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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You forget that I have said on countless occasions that I never thought George Bush was a great president. He got into practicing liberalism and it ruined his legacy plain and simple. You either intentionally or unintentionally missed my point which was that liberals NEVER put their money where their mouth is. They always put other people's money where their mouth is. That's why liberals get into trouble and liberalism doesn't work. A person can spend untold amounts in an irresponsible manner when they have no skin of their own in the game. It's exactly the reason we are in such financial trouble now. None of the Washington elite have any skin in the game, it's all our skin. To make it even more difficult to see the error of their ways, they cloak their theft in moral supremecy artificially elevating themselves above the "common people" and we are sick of it. The backlash on Obamacare has highlighted this.

What does your personal opinion of "W" have to do with anything ?

W " practicing liberalism"

You can't be serious, but then again from what you just said, any thing you don't like will be blamed on " liberalism".

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#28506 Dec 24, 2013
FYI wrote:
First of all seperation of church and state is the biggest lie sold to the American people in history. As one has to understand "faith" isn't a thing, its more of a state of being.. Having said that in order to have seperation of church and state you have to have or must have all nonreligious people voting on a matter or you have to accept that religion is part of their vote(the ones who are religious). Our laws that deal with religion are based on the efforts of keeping the government out of our Churches and not the other way around, the founding fathers had a very good understanding of what happended to religious matters when a government was involved into them, I'm sure they had heard stories from their parents and grandparents about the old world from which they had came and after winning their own nation noted into its constitution laws that protected such freedoms.

The founding Fathers understood that separation of church and state was of mutual benefit to both, the people and the state.
Reality Check

Hot Springs National Park, AR

#28507 Dec 24, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
What does your personal opinion of "W" have to do with anything ?
W " practicing liberalism"
You can't be serious, but then again from what you just said, any thing you don't like will be blamed on " liberalism".
Did he not spend money we didn't have? That is not a conservative principle. Spending money we don't have to reach a goal is liberalism pure and simple. We conservatives believe we should live within our means minimizing the amount we spend over what we take in as some is necessary. What Bush did was liberalism and it hurt him. There is no arguing that as much as you would like to.
Jessica

Jonesboro, AR

#28508 Dec 24, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
What does your personal opinion of "W" have to do with anything ?
W " practicing liberalism"
You can't be serious, but then again from what you just said, any thing you don't like will be blamed on " liberalism".
It has never been your liberalism that has bothered the general population, it is your stupidity.
Donna

Rogers, AR

#28509 Dec 24, 2013
Jessica wrote:
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It has never been your liberalism that has bothered the general population, it is your stupidity.
Its true its true you're Stupidity is endless.
Jessica

Jonesboro, AR

#28510 Dec 24, 2013
Donna wrote:
<quoted text> Its true its true you're Stupidity is endless.
So you're visiting Northwest Ark for the holidays. Haven't seen the plural of "it" in awhile.

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#28511 Dec 24, 2013
Jessica wrote:
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So you're visiting Northwest Ark for the holidays. Haven't seen the plural of "it" in awhile.
Nope.

BTW-(its) is the possessive form of it.
FYI

United States

#28512 Dec 24, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
The founding Fathers understood that separation of church and state was of mutual benefit to both, the people and the state.
. Sorry but you missed the point as usual you don't understand what the point is, it isn't about "government" its about having faith or being faithful to ones God(whomever it may be). A true person of faith will not vote against their religious beliefs.. Thus you will never see a true separation of church and state. The bigger point is that you can't get rid of God as long as there are christians. And anyone passed the third grade can tell you that making people unhappy-via taking things they like away is no benefit at all nor does it benefit anyone except those who are against what's being taken away and this is what our founding fathers warned us about..

Since: Dec 10

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#28513 Dec 24, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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Did he not spend money we didn't have? That is not a conservative principle. Spending money we don't have to reach a goal is liberalism pure and simple. We conservatives believe we should live within our means minimizing the amount we spend over what we take in as some is necessary. What Bush did was liberalism and it hurt him. There is no arguing that as much as you would like to
LMAO, spending money we do not have to reach a goal.

Guess that would make Ronald Reagan one heck of a Liberal then wouldn't it ? being

he raised taxes eleven times as president while tripling the deficit.

Bill Clinton left a surplus, does that make him a Conservative?
Reality Check

Hot Springs National Park, AR

#28514 Dec 24, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
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LMAO, spending money we do not have to reach a goal.
Guess that would make Ronald Reagan one heck of a Liberal then wouldn't it ? being
he raised taxes eleven times as president while tripling the deficit.
Bill Clinton left a surplus, does that make him a Conservative?
I couldn't say it any better than the Daily Caller so if you care to read the truth about the eleven tax raises (I'm sure you don't) here it is:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/06/ronald-reag... #!

Have I ever said that Reagan's deficit was a good thing? No because I don't. I have said that Reagan was one of the greatest presidents we have ever had. No president can be perfect. We just have never had a president as imperfect as Barack Obama. Government spending more than it takes in is irresponsible no matter who is in charge. The only exception is something like 911 when we had no other option but to spend resources to defend ourselves. I have always and will always be one to give Bill Clinton his props though I don't feel as though we would have continued to prosper had his policies been left in place. But that doesn't matter because the fact is, Bill Clinton left this country in good financial shape. Did you forget that I said that many times? More than likely, you just stick to your liberal guns in not giving anyone but a liberal credit for anything good. It's why this country is in a political gridlock. It's a terrible quality for a person to have but I doubt you will ever change.
growup

United States

#28515 Dec 24, 2013
It doesn't matter what any other pres does or has done or will do obama and his sack of lies and lack of being a good leader is all on him. Every person who has ever taken elected office has been at some point less than what we wanted or needed. If obama is what we can expect for the future of elected officals then we are screwed, I hope and pray that the ones who voted for obama have got the liberal bug out of their system, put down the weed and will help the rest of us vote someone into office with the attitude and smarts of a true leader.

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#28516 Dec 24, 2013
FYI wrote:
<quoted text>. Sorry but you missed the point as usual you don't understand what the point is, it isn't about "government" its about having faith or being faithful to ones God(whomever it may be). A true person of faith will not vote against their religious beliefs.. Thus you will never see a true separation of church and state. The bigger point is that you can't get rid of God as long as there are christians. And anyone passed the third grade can tell you that making people unhappy-via taking things they like away is no benefit at all nor does it benefit anyone except those who are against what's being taken away and this is what our founding fathers warned us about..

I would dare say it is you who did not understand my comment.

The separation of church and state is clear, if you do not believe that just ask the churches to start paying taxes.

See how separate they are then.

The First and the Fourteenth Amendments are about as true as you can get.

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