Joe Soucheray: Minnesota's moose trou...

Joe Soucheray: Minnesota's moose trouble isn't a weather story

There are 40 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Sep 29, 2009, titled Joe Soucheray: Minnesota's moose trouble isn't a weather story. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The recurring story about the decline of the moose population in northeastern Minnesota suggests that climate change is the culprit.

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Since: Jun 08

Apple Valley, MN

#24 Sep 30, 2009
Tom Shakopee wrote:
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Thank you for your "Mysterian" contribution. You have no proof that Global Warming exists other than AL Gore says it is. Liberalism is a mental d.i.s.o.r.d.e.r.
To be fair, he had no proof that global warming is caused by humans. Global warming (and global cooling) has existed for thousands of years before mankind, and will continue to exist for thousands of years after we're gone.

The sticking point is whether we're causing it. And the answer to rational reality-based people is "there is no significant evidence for it so far".
Deadeye Dick

Saint Paul, MN

#25 Sep 30, 2009
Tom Shakopee wrote:
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Perhpas we should ask Obama's Teleprompter to answer that question for us.
NASA has answered the question for you.
http://climate.nasa.gov/

But if you don't buy into NASA's assessment, here's a chance to let your great grandchildren know what a genius you are. Just write down "global warming is a bunch of baloney," sign it and put it in a safe place for them to find years from now. They'll love learning how astute (or not) their great grandfather was.

Since: Jun 08

Apple Valley, MN

#26 Sep 30, 2009
Herb Tarlick wrote:
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North Dakata? What do they fence in a larger area for them to frolic in? It is all praire land up there. All you have is indigence personal, and a few pheasants. MOOSE MY ARSE.
All you boys have up there are Steers and .......
You obviously have never been to North Dakota.
Jim

Minneapolis, MN

#28 Sep 30, 2009
Keep fighting the good fight Joe!
Pete Wendell

Saint Paul, MN

#29 Sep 30, 2009
Mr Secant wrote:
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Too bad he couldn't get fitted with that device Bush had attached to his back during speeches that enabled him to complete sentences.........
Says the guy that thinks it's illegal to put legally purchased music onto an iPod.
Tired of it all

South Saint Paul, MN

#30 Sep 30, 2009
The Cold Hard Truth wrote:
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Check it out city boy.
http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/valleyoutdoors64...
People might think you are an idiot but not really know until you open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Now you are just being plain mean again.
The Cold Hard Truth

Fargo, ND

#32 Sep 30, 2009
Tired of it all wrote:
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Now you are just being plain mean again.
You are right but he proved what he was didn't he? He opened his mouth so to speak. Fun to toy with the city boy though! I would love to see him open his big mouth in a bar in western ND or SD.
A Dozen Roses

Kenly, NC

#33 Sep 30, 2009
Ms M Manson wrote:
Joe Soucheray believes in many goofy things but denying that planet earth is not warming is borderline insanity.
It is not warming dumb dumb, have you read the past 5 years of climate data?
Chebama

Minneapolis, MN

#34 Sep 30, 2009
kecker wrote:
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To be fair, he had no proof that global warming is caused by humans. Global warming (and global cooling) has existed for thousands of years before mankind, and will continue to exist for thousands of years after we're gone.
The sticking point is whether we're causing it. And the answer to rational reality-based people is "there is no significant evidence for it so far".
Bingo! Thanks and well said.
The earth warmed back in the 1500's to end a mini ice age. What caused it? Heck Saturn is warming right now and there's not people there.

BTW Your avatar always cracks me up when I see it.
yeah sure

Eugene, OR

#35 Sep 30, 2009
Herb Tarlick wrote:
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North Dakata? What do they fence in a larger area for them to frolic in? It is all praire land up there. All you have is indigence personal, and a few pheasants. MOOSE MY ARSE.
All you boys have up there are Steers and .......
What is indegence personal, a type of relationship problem?
yeah sure

Eugene, OR

#36 Sep 30, 2009
Deadeye Dick wrote:
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NASA has answered the question for you.
http://climate.nasa.gov/
But if you don't buy into NASA's assessment, here's a chance to let your great grandchildren know what a genius you are. Just write down "global warming is a bunch of baloney," sign it and put it in a safe place for them to find years from now. They'll love learning how astute (or not) their great grandfather was.
NASA silenced one of their analysts who questioned the global warming farce. They have become a tool of the global warming conspirators.
human too

United States

#37 Sep 30, 2009
A Dozen Roses wrote:
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It is not warming dumb dumb, have you read the past 5 years of climate data?
Sorry-- you don't have to be a liberal to recognize that the climate is warming. It has been warming for the past 20,000 years, since the last "Ice Age" (the glaciers once covered large areas of Minnesota and Wisconsin). This much is beyond debate, and we don't need Al Gore to tell us so.

What IS at issue is-- are humans causing it? And,(here's the "money question")-- can humans stop it? My money is on "Not blinkin' likely..."

Last I checked, moose have legs. As the climate bands slowly shift farther north, the vegetation, and the moose, will move north with them. A thousand years from now, Minnesota's climate may be like Oklahoma's climate is today. And Minnesota's current climate will be found somewhere up around Hudson's Bay.

The main point is, we have a thousand years (or more) to prepare and adapt. And a thousand years from now, internal combustion will be as obsolete as the crossbow or the Spanish galleon. It is the implication, by those with something political to gain, that we need to "punish" industry and manufacturing, or else we're all gonna perish in the rising oceans, or else die of drought and famine, by next summer, that has conservatives irked at its disingenuousness.
Janice

Minneapolis, MN

#38 Sep 30, 2009
Joe, you are the best.

We are doomed with this global warming crap. It's a liberal driven way to get more $$$ out of average joes.

it truly is the end of the world as we know it.
A Dozen Roses

Kenly, NC

#39 Sep 30, 2009
human too wrote:
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Sorry-- you don't have to be a liberal to recognize that the climate is warming. It has been warming for the past 20,000 years, since the last "Ice Age" (the glaciers once covered large areas of Minnesota and Wisconsin). This much is beyond debate, and we don't need Al Gore to tell us so.
What IS at issue is-- are humans causing it? And,(here's the "money question")-- can humans stop it? My money is on "Not blinkin' likely..."
Last I checked, moose have legs. As the climate bands slowly shift farther north, the vegetation, and the moose, will move north with them. A thousand years from now, Minnesota's climate may be like Oklahoma's climate is today. And Minnesota's current climate will be found somewhere up around Hudson's Bay.
The main point is, we have a thousand years (or more) to prepare and adapt. And a thousand years from now, internal combustion will be as obsolete as the crossbow or the Spanish galleon. It is the implication, by those with something political to gain, that we need to "punish" industry and manufacturing, or else we're all gonna perish in the rising oceans, or else die of drought and famine, by next summer, that has conservatives irked at its disingenuousness.
First, Thank you for the information--and I respect your kind response! However man made "Global Warming" is BS and anybody that is even close to being sane knows it. Please quit trying to ruin our world with the BS! I lived throught the energy crisis in the 70's and the global cooling of the 80's and "we are running out of crude oil" in the previous decades...So please save the BS. There is more scientist that testify to the fact that the Algore crapp is crapp, than the ones that believe in the man made global warming green crapp. Don't protest, don't burn a flag, don't buy an earth polluting(very toxic batteries) electric car...just enjoy life and drop the fairy tale man made warming BS!
Save US

AOL

#40 Sep 30, 2009
I would rather have the so called Gloabal Warming than have a mini ice age that started in the 1600's and lasted until the 1800's. I have read that the mini ice age caused millions of deaths due to famine and disease. Brrrrrrrrrr.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/02/swam...
human too

United States

#41 Sep 30, 2009
A Dozen Roses wrote:
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First, Thank you for the information--and I respect your kind response! However man made "Global Warming" is BS and anybody that is even close to being sane knows it. Please quit trying to ruin our world with the BS! I lived throught the energy crisis in the 70's and the global cooling of the 80's and "we are running out of crude oil" in the previous decades...So please save the BS. There is more scientist that testify to the fact that the Algore crapp is crapp, than the ones that believe in the man made global warming green crapp. Don't protest, don't burn a flag, don't buy an earth polluting(very toxic batteries) electric car...just enjoy life and drop the fairy tale man made warming BS!
I think we may be closer to the same page than you think. The climate had been warming long before we humans figured out the water wheel, let alone coal-fired power plants. And it will continue to warm, even if we shut down every factory and cap every last oil well. The evidence that the earth has been warming is found in the rocks, not in pseudo-science films like "An Inconvenient Truth."

Naturally-occurring global warming is true. The evidence is irrefutable, and easy to see. The notion that the climate was a virgin paradise, until we discovered internal combustion and loused everything up, IS a load of pure BS. And we're not going to stop it, no matter how many cap-and-trade deals we sign, no matter how many hybrids we buy, no matter how many CFLs we install in our homes.

I think those who are pushing this agenda secretly wish we would all wake up in some kind of agrarian fantasy world (think, The Shire), where everything we need comes from our gardens or the Old Yankee Workshop. Utter nonsense. When such things were the cutting edge of technology, life was a daily brass-knuckle fight against starvation and disease-- where life, for most, was brutal and short. There is a reason why people invented their way out of that world. They themselves would not want to go back.
A Dozen Roses

Kenly, NC

#42 Oct 1, 2009
human too wrote:
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I think we may be closer to the same page than you think. The climate had been warming long before we humans figured out the water wheel, let alone coal-fired power plants. And it will continue to warm, even if we shut down every factory and cap every last oil well. The evidence that the earth has been warming is found in the rocks, not in pseudo-science films like "An Inconvenient Truth."
Naturally-occurring global warming is true. The evidence is irrefutable, and easy to see. The notion that the climate was a virgin paradise, until we discovered internal combustion and loused everything up, IS a load of pure BS. And we're not going to stop it, no matter how many cap-and-trade deals we sign, no matter how many hybrids we buy, no matter how many CFLs we install in our homes.
I think those who are pushing this agenda secretly wish we would all wake up in some kind of agrarian fantasy world (think, The Shire), where everything we need comes from our gardens or the Old Yankee Workshop. Utter nonsense. When such things were the cutting edge of technology, life was a daily brass-knuckle fight against starvation and disease-- where life, for most, was brutal and short. There is a reason why people invented their way out of that world. They themselves would not want to go back.
You hit the nail on the head...Thank you! I'm 99% with you. And 100% frusterated with the current agenda...

“Things can only get better”

Since: May 08

Minneapolis

#43 Oct 2, 2009
The Cold Hard Truth wrote:
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Check it out city boy.
http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/valleyoutdoors64...
People might think you are an idiot but not really know until you open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I wouldn't worry about Herb, the guy seems to be fixated on the possibilities of a same sex relationship with many people from different states.

“Things can only get better”

Since: May 08

Minneapolis

#44 Oct 2, 2009
Save US wrote:
I would rather have the so called Gloabal Warming than have a mini ice age that started in the 1600's and lasted until the 1800's. I have read that the mini ice age caused millions of deaths due to famine and disease. Brrrrrrrrrr.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/02/swam...
Did you notice this statement in the article?

But William Ruddiman of the University of Virginia argued it's unlikely.

Computer simulations of climate at the time show that natural changes can only bring down CO2 levels by three to four parts per million. Instead, Ruddiman attributes much of the change to reforestation in Central and South America following the annihilation of indigenous people there.

"Perhaps it's partly natural, but I think it's anthropogenic (related to human activities)," Ruddiman said. "Ten parts per million is way larger than climate models suggest."

It seems that the indigenous peoples of Central and South America were guilty of deforestation. How else would there have been reforestation after their annihilation. Do you realize that this actually means the early European explorers probably saved the entire planet from the excesses of the very people who most of the liberal left want the rest of us to try to emulate.
yeah sure

Eugene, OR

#45 Oct 2, 2009
Irreverent One wrote:
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Did you notice this statement in the article?
But William Ruddiman of the University of Virginia argued it's unlikely.
Computer simulations of climate at the time show that natural changes can only bring down CO2 levels by three to four parts per million. Instead, Ruddiman attributes much of the change to reforestation in Central and South America following the annihilation of indigenous people there.
"Perhaps it's partly natural, but I think it's anthropogenic (related to human activities)," Ruddiman said. "Ten parts per million is way larger than climate models suggest."
It seems that the indigenous peoples of Central and South America were guilty of deforestation. How else would there have been reforestation after their annihilation. Do you realize that this actually means the early European explorers probably saved the entire planet from the excesses of the very people who most of the liberal left want the rest of us to try to emulate.
I just love irony. Thanks!

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