New legislators say same-sex marriage amendment could go to voters

Nov 28, 2010 Full story: St. Cloud Times 52

Minnesota voters should be able to amend their state constitution in 2012 to ban same-sex marriage, three local legislators-elect say.

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Since: Nov 10

United States

#43 Dec 1, 2010
rmolblazir wrote:
According the a gallup poll on "Family Values", the American Public for the most part has given up on marriage. They are very accepting of gays and single parents outside of marriage. Why then, do these supposedly same people care about gay marriage ruining their heterosexual marriage ?
Why are gays so determined to be part of it? After all isn't it just a piece of paper? What's the point of being progressive if you feel you mist follow old out-dated traditions?

Since: Nov 10

United States

#44 Dec 1, 2010
Sorry, "must"

“Homosapien ”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#45 Dec 2, 2010
SubVet606 wrote:
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Just curious, why do you want to get married? It's just a piece of paper from a JOP isn't it? What additional benefit do you receive? Why is it so important?
There are over 1000 rights and responsibilities attached to marriage that are difficult if not impossible to achieve through other legal means and even the attainable are more easily challenged without a marriage license, power of attorney, visitation rights in hospitals, inheritance, guardianship of co-parented children... a $50 marriage license is worth thousands of dollars in legal costs and does a better of protecting a couple and their offspring from interference from others.
Well

Jonesboro, AR

#46 Dec 2, 2010
LOL this maybe silly but what happens when a group of people who have sex with kids, animals and themselves seek to have rights to? If they pass the bill it opens up all kinds of insanity.

“Homosapien ”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#47 Dec 2, 2010
Well wrote:
LOL this maybe silly but what happens when a group of people who have sex with kids, animals and themselves seek to have rights to? If they pass the bill it opens up all kinds of insanity.
Do you understand that marriage is a contract between two consenting adults (well at least in recent history). You don't seem to grasp the meaning of words very well, homosexuals are attracted to people of the same gender, period. Those people, gay or straight, that are attracted to pre-pubescent children are pedophiles. Those that are attracted to post-pubescent but pre-adult youth are pederasts. Those that are attracted to animals desire bestiality. These different categories are unrelated. Those that speak without knowing anything are called "well" or idiot.
Hypocritical Teabaggers

France

#48 Dec 2, 2010
Teabaggers CLAIM to call for smaller government and less government interference in our lives, but when it comes right down to it, teabaggers are a bunch of hypocrites that want THERE agenda followed.

Here's another example:

Anti-earmark Tea Party Caucus takes $1 billion in earmarks

By National Journal national Journal Thu Dec 2, 11:43 am ET
By Reid Wilson
National Journal

Members of the Congressional Tea Party Caucus may tout their commitment to cutting government spending now, but they used the 111th Congress to request hundreds of earmarks that, taken cumulatively, added more than $1 billion to the federal budget.

According to a Hotline review of records compiled by Citizens Against Government Waste, the 52 members of the caucus, which pledges to cut spending and reduce the size of government, requested a total of 764 earmarks valued at $1,049,783,150 during Fiscal Year 2010, the last year for which records are available.

"It's disturbing to see the Tea Party Caucus requested that much in earmarks. This is their time to put up or shut up, to be blunt," said David Williams, vice president for policy at Citizens Against Government Waste. "There's going to be a huge backlash if they continue to request earmarks."

In founding the caucus in July, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) said she was giving voice to Americans who were sick of government overspending.

"The American people are speaking out loud and clear. They have had enough of the spending, the bureaucracy, and the government-knows-best mentality running rampant today throughout the halls of Congress," Bachmann said in a July 15 statement. The group, she wrote in a letter to House Administration Committee chairman Bob Brady, "will serve as an informal group of Members dedicated to promote Americans' call for fiscal responsibility, adherence to the Constitution, and limited government."

Bachmann and 13 of her Tea Party Caucus colleagues did not request any earmarks in the last Fiscal Year, according to CAGW's annual Congressional Pig Book. But others have requested millions of dollars in special projects.

Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.), for one, attached his name to 69 earmarks in the last fiscal year, for a total of $78,263,000. The 41 earmarks Rep. Rodney Alexander (R-La.) requested were worth $65,395,000. Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.) wanted $63,400,000 for 39 special projects, and Rep. Rob Bishop (R-Utah) wanted $93,980,000 set aside for 47 projects.

Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.) takes the prize as the tea partier with his name on the most earmarks. Rehberg's office requested funding for 88 projects, either solely or by co-signing earmark requests with Sens. Max Baucus (D) and Jon Tester (D), at a cost of $100,514,200. On his own, Rehberg requested 20 earmarks valued at more than $9.6 million.

More than one member can sign onto an earmark. Still, there are 29 caucus members who requested on their own or joined requests for more than $10 million in earmark funding, and seven who wanted more than $50 million in funding.

Most offices did not respond right away to a request for comment. Those that did said they supported Republicans' new efforts to ban earmarks.
Hypocritical Teabaggers

France

#49 Dec 2, 2010
SubVet606 wrote:
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Why are gays so determined to be part of it? After all isn't it just a piece of paper? What's the point of being progressive if you feel you mist follow old out-dated traditions?
Why are you so determined to discriminate against certain groups?
oyou

Jonesboro, AR

#50 Dec 2, 2010
mixed wrote:
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Do you understand that marriage is a contract between two consenting adults (well at least in recent history). You don't seem to grasp the meaning of words very well, homosexuals are attracted to people of the same gender, period. Those people, gay or straight, that are attracted to pre-pubescent children are pedophiles. Those that are attracted to post-pubescent but pre-adult youth are pederasts. Those that are attracted to animals desire bestiality. These different categories are unrelated. Those that speak without knowing anything are called "well" or idiot.
You don't even see what I am trying to say. Go turn computer off. And just go to bed. I can't say anything meaner than that because you may decide to fling yourself off a bridge or something.

Since: Oct 08

York, PA

#51 Dec 2, 2010
do not talk costs wrote:
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The new message:'Improve' health care, don't talk cost
Key White House allies are dramatically shifting their attempts to defend health care legislation, abandoning claims that it will reduce costs and deficit, and instead stressing a promise to "improve it." The messaging shift was circulated this afternoon on a conference call and PowerPoint presentation organized by FamiliesUSA -- one of the central groups in the push for the initial legislation. The call was led by a staffer for the Herndon Alliance, which includes leading labor groups and other health care allies. It was based on polling from three top Democratic pollsters, John Anzalone, Celinda Lake, and Stan Greenberg.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0810/T...
I can't wait for the rationing they also claimed won't happen.
We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke...
What could possibly go wrong?
I find it interesting that government can do nothing right mentality. Because it's usually when they are willing to do what is right rather than give in to corporate or Wall St that they usually do a pretty good job. Not perfect but not bad. Social Security, Medicare, the Post Office, National Institutes of Health, Vehicle Registrations, Drivers Licenses and there are plenty of other examples. But when they allow corporate to get into the legislation or worse have them write it is when things go terribly wrong - banking deregulation, utility deregulation, Medicare Prescription Drug Program, Medicare Advantage, the FTC, failure to prevent monopolies in media, communications, banking, utilities, setting minimum contract rates for labor (ie school construction or highway construction must be paid at specific rates or better which include huge profits for the contractor and aren't paid to the laborors and many others. The other is that they are so busy appeasing everyone with lower and lower taxes that they don't have the workforce to do the jobs we want them to do examples would be the FDA slow approvals of drugs and often bad approvals, our food supply use to be the safest in the world and now is questionable, Minerals and Mining Safety, Department of the Interior and the decay of the park systems, auditing for fraud especially in the DOD they cannot even balance the books or the no-bid contracts, Medicare fraud, BP Oil spill again lack of oversight, border protection, FEMA fraud, SEC, etc but it's all because of lack of manpower and believe it or not these are American middle class jobs that have been cut and they are jobs that cannot be exported to foreign countries. And once again they are going to be laying off vast amounts of employees which are all going to be unemployed at every level of government and they will be your friends and neighbors that will be thanking you for loosing their jobs for them.

Since: Nov 10

United States

#52 Dec 7, 2010
Hypocritical Teabaggers wrote:
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Why are you so determined to discriminate against certain groups?
I'm not trying to discriminate against anyone. I'm trying to understand a different view point and determine if there is a possible compromise that would satisfy. I don't know if this would be acceptable, but I'm thinking that our governments should only be allowed to issue licenses for civil unions and should not issue any marriage licenses. Ive always considered marriage a religious institution, so leave it to the various religions. In the eyes of the law, there would only be civil unions. If someone wants the religious ceremony of marriage, that union would not be recognized by law unless they also applied for and received a civil union license. This also safeguards the 1st Amendment by preventing the possibility of government trying to force gay marriage on a religion where that action is prohibited.

“Homosapien ”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#53 Dec 7, 2010
oyou wrote:
<quoted text> You don't even see what I am trying to say. Go turn computer off. And just go to bed. I can't say anything meaner than that because you may decide to fling yourself off a bridge or something.
You don't seem to understand that you are an idiot trying to inflame an issue by putting homosexuality in the same class as criminal activities. Why don't you get off the computer and try to find someone who is willing to talk to you in the real world.
Its Over

Minneapolis, MN

#54 Dec 7, 2010
I think at some point, this will pass. It's just a matter of when, not if.

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