Greg Tuttle

[curious about the Qs]

So Greg Tuttle is the self-proclaimed champion and savior of Baldwin Park. He constantly talks about how dumb, corrupt, inept the current council is in Baldwin Park. Every idea they have he curses as idiotic or political posturing.

I've even heard the guy was going to carpet bag his way in to BP and run for mayor.

So I ask, who died and made Greg Tuttle the genius of the SGV? What makes him so qualified to lead? What even makes him qualified to talk down other people's ideas? I did a quick review of the current council, and it appears all of them at least have a college degree and a fair bit of accomplishments.

So Mr. Tuttle, or one of his groupies, please spell out his qualifications. And don't give me the usual "he's a successful business owner," because so are a lot of people. That doesn't mean they're fit to lead. And by the way, after listening to him online and reading his tripe on here, I already feel as if he's not educated enough to lead (he struggles with simple grammar, spelling, and sounds like a hill billy). So you're going to have to be specific.

Let's hear em.

[LOS ANGELES]

Yo Yo yo!

There was a tuttle sighting last night. Lord is my witness, he's got a sticker on his truck that reads Tuttle, Mayor.

I was like.....yo wait mang, let me get yo autograph.

He looked at me and replied "sorry son, I can't write." Then he drove off.

Tuttle does exist and he's a legend in his own mind.

[Observer]

curious about the Qs wrote:

So Greg Tuttle is the self-proclaimed champion and savior of Baldwin Park. He constantly talks about how dumb, corrupt, inept the current council is in Baldwin Park. Every idea they have he curses as idiotic or political posturing.
I've even heard the guy was going to carpet bag his way in to BP and run for mayor.
So I ask, who died and made Greg Tuttle the genius of the SGV? What makes him so qualified to lead? What even makes him qualified to talk down other people's ideas? I did a quick review of the current council, and it appears all of them at least have a college degree and a fair bit of accomplishments.
So Mr. Tuttle, or one of his groupies, please spell out his qualifications. And don't give me the usual "he's a successful business owner," because so are a lot of people. That doesn't mean they're fit to lead. And by the way, after listening to him online and reading his tripe on here, I already feel as if he's not educated enough to lead (he struggles with simple grammar, spelling, and sounds like a hill billy). So you're going to have to be specific.
Let's hear em.

What does education have to do with leading. Stop associating degrees with leadership. If you look at the state of affairs in the country, you will find that it was "educated" people, with degrees, that put us in the mess we find ourselves in. The prior administration were for the most part, Harvard grads. Politicians, in general, are rarely your geniuses or people with high IQ's. At best, they are average people who have found a way to get around and manipulate the system. What we really need desperately is honest people. We need people of vision...not people of personal interest.

[sounds great]

But how does one quantify "vision," or "honest people"? Rarely is it easy to be able to point directly at someone and say they are "honest", "dishonest," or of "personal interest." Yes, there are extreme cases for sure where it is clear that a person is more one than the other.

And while I agree with you that education doesn't always have a direct correlation to good leadership, you can't discount the impact a good education has on one's perspective. Someone who has varied experience related to their education, normally, has a significantly broader perspective than your average Joe who didn't go to college and whose entire perspective revolves around a 30 square mile radius.

But, I digress. As to the original poster's question, I haven't seen anything from Mr. Tuttle that shows capacity to lead. The guy doesn't even live in the jurisdiction. And I have no experience with the current council to know one way or the other whether they are corrupt. But, I will say I have been impressed with their efforts and some of the changes they've made. Baldwin Park appears to be in better shape today than it was 5 years ago. And really, that's all the residents can ask for; incremental improvement.

[Observer]

I think that what we are looking for is a good balance. Perspective gained through lived experiences seems the more sound than perspective gained through education, which can be borrowed perspective and not necessarily a genuine and clear perspective on matters through rigid personal inquiry and observation. I do understand, however, that having an education is better than the opposite. The ideal would be to have both, an education and wisdom gained through life. How do you quantify vision? Look at the prior administration and where it got us, and vote the opposite the next time. Head the other way. How do you quantify an honest person? It is assessed through the community's value system. Does a candidate uphold the community's best interest at heart...their concerns...their viewpoints? Does his value system align with theirs? We can only hope that we are approximating ourselves to the idea of democracy as best we can. Far too often we get candidates with agendas. Hard to get away from that.

Regarding Tuttle, I don't know the guy. Regarding BP...it is a mess at this point. I agree, change is gradual...it doesn't happen over night. I wish BP the best.

[sounds great]

Observer wrote:

I think that what we are looking for is a good balance. Perspective gained through lived experiences seems the more sound than perspective gained through education, which can be borrowed perspective and not necessarily a genuine and clear perspective on matters through rigid personal inquiry and observation. I do understand, however, that having an education is better than the opposite. The ideal would be to have both, an education and wisdom gained through life. How do you quantify vision? Look at the prior administration and where it got us, and vote the opposite the next time. Head the other way. How do you quantify an honest person? It is assessed through the community's value system. Does a candidate uphold the community's best interest at heart...their concerns...their viewpoints? Does his value system align with theirs? We can only hope that we are approximating ourselves to the idea of democracy as best we can. Far too often we get candidates with agendas. Hard to get away from that.
Regarding Tuttle, I don't know the guy. Regarding BP...it is a mess at this point. I agree, change is gradual...it doesn't happen over night. I wish BP the best.

I agree with you whole heartedly about life experience + education.

As for your analysis on quantifying these important guide posts, I think it is easier said than done. For example, I agree with Barack Obama on many philosophical points. However, I also disagree with him on many of his policy points, and much of that could be attributed to "value system." Having a community's "best interests" at heart, and whole heartedly embracing a community's "viewpoints" are many times squarely at odds. So how, then, does one draw the line? Again, in representative form of government I think the best one can do is vote first, on qualifications (including education) and secondly on accomplishment in office (if we're dealing with an incumbent).

As for BP, I think what gets lost in the BP talk is comparative analysis. I only get back there a couple times of year, but I grew up there in the 80's. I can say, anecdotally, from my experience, the Baldwin Park of today is better than the Baldwin Park of my youth. And, it appears to get better every year, if only incrementally. Can it still be better yet? Of course; there's no reason for a City to have the problems that it is. But, I do think that there has been continual and steady improvement.

And if what my relatives tell me is accurate, Baldwin Park is in better shape than La Puente and El Monte--something that has never been true before.

[BENAJERK]

curious about the Qs wrote:

So Greg Tuttle is the self-proclaimed champion and savior of Baldwin Park. He constantly talks about how dumb, corrupt, inept the current council is in Baldwin Park. Every idea they have he curses as idiotic or political posturing.
I've even heard the guy was going to carpet bag his way in to BP and run for mayor.
So I ask, who died and made Greg Tuttle the genius of the SGV? What makes him so qualified to lead? What even makes him qualified to talk down other people's ideas? I did a quick review of the current council, and it appears all of them at least have a college degree and a fair bit of accomplishments.
So Mr. Tuttle, or one of his groupies, please spell out his qualifications. And don't give me the usual "he's a successful business owner," because so are a lot of people. That doesn't mean they're fit to lead. And by the way, after listening to him online and reading his tripe on here, I already feel as if he's not educated enough to lead (he struggles with simple grammar, spelling, and sounds like a hill billy). So you're going to have to be specific.
Let's hear em.

It sounds like Bejarano is back at the bottle again he is worried about a hillbilly going to take over and run a clean government and to top it off for free. I said free, tuttle said at one of the council meetings he will be mayor for free and give back his salary to the community. The only qualifications you need to run BP better is quit talking and do it and do it for the people not for your pocket book. The education part is overrated sometimes real life experiences is the best and surrounding yourself with people who are educated in the fields that you need to run a clean government is the best. No one knows it all it is how they reach out to the right people to gain the knowledge you need to run a city. This council has for the last 2 years has lost the city thousands in lost revenue,bisno left oweing close to 300,000.00,they fired the police chief and cost the city 75,000.00,have refused business to come into town to give jobs and revenue and most of all they could care less about their citizens that they wanted to move out of town to east la and tj. The parasites that are running this city now have done nothing but choke this city from growing and as far as saying our city is not broke we don't know the truth just like bisno they tried to hide their screw ups but the budget meetings coming up will bring out how bad off the city really is.

[sounds great]

BENAJERK wrote:

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It sounds like Bejarano is back at the bottle again he is worried about a hillbilly going to take over and run a clean government and to top it off for free. I said free, tuttle said at one of the council meetings he will be mayor for free and give back his salary to the community. The only qualifications you need to run BP better is quit talking and do it and do it for the people not for your pocket book. The education part is overrated sometimes real life experiences is the best and surrounding yourself with people who are educated in the fields that you need to run a clean government is the best. No one knows it all it is how they reach out to the right people to gain the knowledge you need to run a city. This council has for the last 2 years has lost the city thousands in lost revenue,bisno left oweing close to 300,000.00,they fired the police chief and cost the city 75,000.00,have refused business to come into town to give jobs and revenue and most of all they could care less about their citizens that they wanted to move out of town to east la and tj. The parasites that are running this city now have done nothing but choke this city from growing and as far as saying our city is not broke we don't know the truth just like bisno they tried to hide their screw ups but the budget meetings coming up will bring out how bad off the city really is.

Ahhh, the one thing I like about Tuttle is at least he is consistent. He consistently utters the same nonsense, he consistently thinks EVERY poster that disagrees with him/calls him out is Bejarano, and he consistently writes with the acumen of a toddler.

As for his offer to run the City "for free," well we all know the old addage: You get what you pay for.

Easy for a guy who didn't graduate from highschool to say that education is "overrated." So why even encourage kids to go to college? We can just send them to Greg Tuttle and he'll turn them all into titans of small business.

What is your real life experience Mr. Tuttle? Owning a rundown shop in the most rundown part of Baldwin Park for 20 years?

Paying your illegal employees under the table barely a living wage?

Having your wife leave you for greener pastures?

Your illegal dumping of environmentally damaging chemicals behind your shop?

Being the "lone ranger" at Baldwin Park Council meetings--a City you don't even live in?

What have you done for YOUR community of Pomona? What have you done for the community of Baldwin Park (besides puff a bunch of hot air)? What have you done for ANYONE except yourself?

[Observer]

sounds great wrote:

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I agree with you whole heartedly about life experience + education.
As for your analysis on quantifying these important guide posts, I think it is easier said than done. For example, I agree with Barack Obama on many philosophical points. However, I also disagree with him on many of his policy points, and much of that could be attributed to "value system." Having a community's "best interests" at heart, and whole heartedly embracing a community's "viewpoints" are many times squarely at odds. So how, then, does one draw the line? Again, in representative form of government I think the best one can do is vote first, on qualifications (including education) and secondly on accomplishment in office (if we're dealing with an incumbent).
As for BP, I think what gets lost in the BP talk is comparative analysis. I only get back there a couple times of year, but I grew up there in the 80's. I can say, anecdotally, from my experience, the Baldwin Park of today is better than the Baldwin Park of my youth. And, it appears to get better every year, if only incrementally. Can it still be better yet? Of course; there's no reason for a City to have the problems that it is. But, I do think that there has been continual and steady improvement.
And if what my relatives tell me is accurate, Baldwin Park is in better shape than La Puente and El Monte--something that has never been true before.

The confusion often lies in how one defines "education," its "purpose" and its "function."

Webster defines education as the process of educating or teaching (now that's really useful, isn't it?) Educate is further defined as "to develop the knowledge, skill, or character of..." Thus, from these definitions, we might assume that the purpose of education is to develop the knowledge, skill, or character of students. Unfortunately, this definition offers little unless we further define words such as develop, knowledge, and character.

What is meant by knowledge? Is it a body of information that exists "out there"—apart from the human thought processes that developed it? If we look at the standards and benchmarks that have been developed by many states—or at E. D. Hirsch's list of information needed for Cultural Literacy, we might assume this to be the definition of knowledge. However, there is considerable research leading others to believe that knowledge arises in the mind of an individual when that person interacts with an idea or experience.

This is hardly a new argument. In ancient Greece, Socrates argued that education was about drawing out what was already within the student.(As some of you know, the word education comes from the Latin e-ducere meaning "to lead out.") At the same time, the Sophists, a group of itinerant teachers, promised to give students the necessary knowledge and skills to gain positions with the city-state.

[Furthermore]

Problem is, teachers who hold a more humanistic view of the purpose of education often experience stress because the meaning they assign to education differs greatly from the meaning assigned by society or their institution. It is clear in listening to the language of education that its primary focus is on knowledge and teaching rather than on the learner. Students are expected to conform to schools rather than schools serving the needs of students.

Stopping to identify and agree upon a fundamental purpose or purposes of education is rare. One sees nebulous statements in school mission statements, but they are often of the “Mom, baseball, and apple pie” variety that offer little substance on which to build a school culture. Creating meaningful and lasting change in education is unlikely without revisiting this basic definition. At the very least, educators must be challenged to identify and reexamine their beliefs in the light of present knowledge.

It is time for the focus of education to shift from what's "out there—the curriculum, assessments, classroom arrangement, books, computers—to the fundamental assumptions about and definitions of education held by educators and policymakers. NASA did not send men to the moon by building on the chassis of a model T. In the same way, education cannot hope to move beyond its present state on the chassis of 18th century education.

[Interesting]

sounds great wrote:

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Ahhh, the one thing I like about Tuttle is at least he is consistent. He consistently utters the same nonsense, he consistently thinks EVERY poster that disagrees with him/calls him out is Bejarano, and he consistently writes with the acumen of a toddler.
As for his offer to run the City "for free," well we all know the old addage: You get what you pay for.
Easy for a guy who didn't graduate from highschool to say that education is "overrated." So why even encourage kids to go to college? We can just send them to Greg Tuttle and he'll turn them all into titans of small business.
What is your real life experience Mr. Tuttle? Owning a rundown shop in the most rundown part of Baldwin Park for 20 years?
Paying your illegal employees under the table barely a living wage?
Having your wife leave you for greener pastures?
Your illegal dumping of environmentally damaging chemicals behind your shop?
Being the "lone ranger" at Baldwin Park Council meetings--a City you don't even live in?
What have you done for YOUR community of Pomona? What have you done for the community of Baldwin Park (besides puff a bunch of hot air)? What have you done for ANYONE except yourself?

Someone got owned!

[never gets old]

Furthermore wrote:

Problem is, teachers who hold a more humanistic view of the purpose of education often experience stress because the meaning they assign to education differs greatly from the meaning assigned by society or their institution. It is clear in listening to the language of education that its primary focus is on knowledge and teaching rather than on the learner. Students are expected to conform to schools rather than schools serving the needs of students.
Stopping to identify and agree upon a fundamental purpose or purposes of education is rare. One sees nebulous statements in school mission statements, but they are often of the “Mom, baseball, and apple pie” variety that offer little substance on which to build a school culture. Creating meaningful and lasting change in education is unlikely without revisiting this basic definition. At the very least, educators must be challenged to identify and reexamine their beliefs in the light of present knowledge.
It is time for the focus of education to shift from what's "out there—the curriculum, assessments, classroom arrangement, books, computers—to the fundamental assumptions about and definitions of education held by educators and policymakers. NASA did not send men to the moon by building on the chassis of a model T. In the same way, education cannot hope to move beyond its present state on the chassis of 18th century education.

Love the back and forth, and the thought put into the response. And I agree with your overall conclusion that "education" in this country is woefully inadequate.

But, as accurate of a generalization I think it is, it still, at its core, is a generalization. There are plenty of institutions of higher learning that actually do focus on the "learner," and teach critical thinking skills. The "good" institutions focus first, on forcing students to be stripped of their preconceived notions about their internal philosophies, defend against intellectual attacks upon what they hold dear, and redefine what they believe based on solid analysis and critical thinking, while sprinkling in a bit of "teaching" of certain skills (in the sciences, math, basic grammar, reading comp. etc).

But...are we going to get this sort of quality leadership at every level of government? Let's be frank--there isn't that much talent clamoring to serve in any capacity.

[BENAJERK]

curious about the Qs wrote:

So Greg Tuttle is the self-proclaimed champion and savior of Baldwin Park. He constantly talks about how dumb, corrupt, inept the current council is in Baldwin Park. Every idea they have he curses as idiotic or political posturing.
I've even heard the guy was going to carpet bag his way in to BP and run for mayor.
So I ask, who died and made Greg Tuttle the genius of the SGV? What makes him so qualified to lead? What even makes him qualified to talk down other people's ideas? I did a quick review of the current council, and it appears all of them at least have a college degree and a fair bit of accomplishments.
So Mr. Tuttle, or one of his groupies, please spell out his qualifications. And don't give me the usual "he's a successful business owner," because so are a lot of people. That doesn't mean they're fit to lead. And by the way, after listening to him online and reading his tripe on here, I already feel as if he's not educated enough to lead (he struggles with simple grammar, spelling, and sounds like a hill billy). So you're going to have to be specific.
Let's hear em.

These remarks are obviously from a very angry person who may need professional help for anger management.
Who is Greg Tuttle? An honest citizen that can smell corrupt people that do not care about the average citzen. Who does Greg Tuttle consult with in regards to the issues you address? His brother who has a BS, MD and MBA with two Board certifications, in total over 28 years of education.Is that enough for you? I know your qualifications... not impressive enough for you to be addressing education. I believe it is the "educated" lawyers in this country that have helped us in to this recession.The bottom feeders of society that purge of insurnace companies. Oh perhaps we should look at impressive people like Teddy Kenndy! A hillbilly ??? Let me guess the person writing this bases his assessment of people by education???? That is what I call a well read individual I would fear. Your education history is what ? Should we discuss this in public? I believe you are a hopeful aspiring counsel if I am correct. A smart "educated" person would remember the classic's saying "never under estimate your opponent". Oh perhaps you have never read the Prince.Keep your comments coming they will be a comedy book someday.

[Observer]

never gets old wrote:

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Love the back and forth, and the thought put into the response. And I agree with your overall conclusion that "education" in this country is woefully inadequate.
But, as accurate of a generalization I think it is, it still, at its core, is a generalization. There are plenty of institutions of higher learning that actually do focus on the "learner," and teach critical thinking skills. The "good" institutions focus first, on forcing students to be stripped of their preconceived notions about their internal philosophies, defend against intellectual attacks upon what they hold dear, and redefine what they believe based on solid analysis and critical thinking, while sprinkling in a bit of "teaching" of certain skills (in the sciences, math, basic grammar, reading comp. etc).
But...are we going to get this sort of quality leadership at every level of government? Let's be frank--there isn't that much talent clamoring to serve in any capacity.

Problem is...these critical thinkers aren't running for office...they don't need to. It is your not so bright lad who is running.

[Interesting]

BENAJERK wrote:

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These remarks are obviously from a very angry person who may need professional help for anger management.
Who is Greg Tuttle? An honest citizen that can smell corrupt people that do not care about the average citzen. Who does Greg Tuttle consult with in regards to the issues you address? His brother who has a BS, MD and MBA with two Board certifications, in total over 28 years of education.Is that enough for you? I know your qualifications... not impressive enough for you to be addressing education. I believe it is the "educated" lawyers in this country that have helped us in to this recession.The bottom feeders of society that purge of insurnace companies. Oh perhaps we should look at impressive people like Teddy Kenndy! A hillbilly ??? Let me guess the person writing this bases his assessment of people by education???? That is what I call a well read individual I would fear. Your education history is what ? Should we discuss this in public? I believe you are a hopeful aspiring counsel if I am correct. A smart "educated" person would remember the classic's saying "never under estimate your opponent". Oh perhaps you have never read the Prince.Keep your comments coming they will be a comedy book someday.

Florida?

I smell an internet rat...

Tuttle, come out before we have to throw in a smoke bomb!

[Problem]

sounds great wrote:

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I agree with you whole heartedly about life experience + education.
As for your analysis on quantifying these important guide posts, I think it is easier said than done. For example, I agree with Barack Obama on many philosophical points. However, I also disagree with him on many of his policy points, and much of that could be attributed to "value system." Having a community's "best interests" at heart, and whole heartedly embracing a community's "viewpoints" are many times squarely at odds. So how, then, does one draw the line? Again, in representative form of government I think the best one can do is vote first, on qualifications (including education) and secondly on accomplishment in office (if we're dealing with an incumbent).
As for BP, I think what gets lost in the BP talk is comparative analysis. I only get back there a couple times of year, but I grew up there in the 80's. I can say, anecdotally, from my experience, the Baldwin Park of today is better than the Baldwin Park of my youth. And, it appears to get better every year, if only incrementally. Can it still be better yet? Of course; there's no reason for a City to have the problems that it is. But, I do think that there has been continual and steady improvement.
And if what my relatives tell me is accurate, Baldwin Park is in better shape than La Puente and El Monte--something that has never been true before.

The first mistake most folks make when they set out on a good-faith crusade to do good is to completely misunderstand their targets.

Sometimes, activists make the local newspaper or media the target. The thinking goes,“If we can just get them to understand the problem, things will change.” It is fortunate that this is not correct, because the media in the U.S. is overwhelmingly committed to big government, gun control, and the supremacy of state-controlled education over parent controlled education.

The fact is newspapers cast no votes. The national evening news controls no elections. If this were not true, Ronald Reagan would never have been President.

An even more common mistake is to believe that the key to victory is education.

The “education is the key to political victory” theory claims that if we educate people as to the problem and the solution, then the elected officials will fall in line.

Wrong.

Polls show huge majorities of Americans in favor of parental notification before a minor has an abortion. Yet the mere mention of the issue drives most politicians into fits of terror. Similarly, three-quarters of the American people oppose forced-unionism and favor Right to Work laws; however, such laws exist in only 22 states.

It is important to understand the two reasons why the education theory of politics is a mistake.

First, the theory assumes no opposing “education” effort. This is rarely the case.

Polls showed a majority in California favored education choice, yet the 1992 School Voucher Referendum lost 2-1 on election day. Why? Because the NEA-teachers’ union bosses and pro-government-school-monopoly forces out-organized school choice forces, had a more focused message, and spent a lot more money.

The second, and more important, reason the “education is the key” theory fails lies in the nature of politics and politicians.

[well well well]

BENAJERK wrote:

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These remarks are obviously from a very angry person who may need professional help for anger management.
Who is Greg Tuttle? An honest citizen that can smell corrupt people that do not care about the average citzen. Who does Greg Tuttle consult with in regards to the issues you address? His brother who has a BS, MD and MBA with two Board certifications, in total over 28 years of education.Is that enough for you? I know your qualifications... not impressive enough for you to be addressing education. I believe it is the "educated" lawyers in this country that have helped us in to this recession.The bottom feeders of society that purge of insurnace companies. Oh perhaps we should look at impressive people like Teddy Kenndy! A hillbilly ??? Let me guess the person writing this bases his assessment of people by education???? That is what I call a well read individual I would fear. Your education history is what ? Should we discuss this in public? I believe you are a hopeful aspiring counsel if I am correct. A smart "educated" person would remember the classic's saying "never under estimate your opponent". Oh perhaps you have never read the Prince.Keep your comments coming they will be a comedy book someday.

We should be electing Tuttle's brother then...not Tuttle.

And I'd bet a thousand dollars that Mr. Tuttle never read the Prince. I'd bet five books he couldn't spell the author's name without googling it.

[sounds good]

Observer wrote:

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Problem is...these critical thinkers aren't running for office...they don't need to. It is your not so bright lad who is running.

I'd say, generally, you are correct. There are some rays of hope sprinkled throughout the country though.

Which not so bright lad are you referring to?(there are so many, afterall) Or did you mean that as a general proposition?

[Observer]

As the old saying goes...In a blind man's land ANYONE can be king.

[just maybe]

I'm wondering how different BP would look if Tuttle was mayor. Different can be good. And maybe...just maybe...it can work. Gotta hand it to the guy...he's like the thorn in everone's ass. And he is deffinitely consistent.