When 'no' means 'no'

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Massachusetts cities and towns have a choice: Get finances under control or face the bleak prospect of state receivership.
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1 - 14 of 14 Comments Last updated Feb 2, 2008
Ima Taxpayer

Boston, MA

#1 Jan 30, 2008
The officials in the cities and towns will never do as expected of them. I'm surprised that there are not more towns going down the tubes. Westford is another.
Tyngstaxpayerfun dsgone

Framingham, MA

#2 Jan 30, 2008
The taxpayers are sick and tired of being squeezed. I pay for my portion of health care and try to fund my own retirement. I am not guaranteed a raise or pension. Time to change the "good old boy" network. You cannot keep coming to the well. Every bill I receive has multiple taxes, that they try to disguise as a fee. Are you kidding me? Time for a taxpayer revolt. Take a look at the pension rolls and payrolls for Massachusetts employees, but take a heavy dose of mylanta and prozac first, because you will be angry!
Tony K

Natick, MA

#3 Jan 30, 2008
There's a referendum on ending the state income tax coming up. This is your chance for a taxpayer revolt. Don't blow it. Be prepared for evey tax and spend politician in this state to tell you that if this referendum passes the sky will fall out. Don't get fooled or scared, because this time it's the pols and their hack-o-rama friends who are the ones that are scared, Big Time. The sky did not fall out when taxpayers passed Prop. 2 1/2 and and when voters in select cities/towns like Tyngsboro, decided not to overide 2 1/2.
It's high time that the city/town officials show their guts and say no to these outrageous demands of the unions. It's time to run Massachusetts like the private sector. Make these employees pay their share of health care costs and make them donate their share to 401K plans instead of full blown pensions.
ben

Monomoy Island, MA

#4 Jan 30, 2008
I agree!
Also... Raises should be based on merit, not on length of service. Anybody can show up day in and day out, it's usually 20% of the people doing 80% of the work!
Bill

Peabody, MA

#5 Jan 30, 2008
Didn't taxation have something to do with the start of the American Revolution?
lowering the bar

South Easton, MA

#6 Jan 31, 2008
I ALWAYS vote no on any prop 2 1/2 resolution. The governments need to learn to be more efficient with the money they already have.
lowering the bar

South Easton, MA

#7 Jan 31, 2008
I always vote no on prop 2 1/2 resolutions. They need to work within existing budgets

“Uncommon Sense”

Since: Jan 08

Westford Mass

#8 Jan 31, 2008
I'm not sure all that is needed to improve finances in the towns, but we need to start somewhere. Sick leave abuses, pension abuses, disability abuses, unpleasant bureaucrats and inefficient employees all leave a bad taste in the mouths of taxpayers. And the unions stand in the way of meaningful changes. I too am voting against overrides until there is meaningful competition in the education of our children in schools that are failing them. The town I live in seems to offer a decent education at a reasonable cost and I don't really see a need to offer vouchers out of this system but until there is a voucher system for inner city schools that fail I believe that we should vote against overrides. It is for the children that I believe that. Competition makes America better and it will do the same for our schools.

“Uncommon Sense”

Since: Jan 08

Westford Mass

#9 Jan 31, 2008
This is a tough call for me. I do want to pay a fair share for running a good government. I do benefit from that. But I want the waste stopped and maybe this is the way to go. If the government were run effectively and was limited to the proper role of government, there is plenty of money coming in now. But the more that comes in, the more ways they find to spend it. And of course when things get tight, you can't end the programs funded when things were good. We have created too many people dependent on those programs. You can't even expect the employees to pick up the slack when layoffs are needed because of union contracts. The politicians and bureaucrats waste the money and then there is not enough to help the people who really need it. These politicians hurt their constituents by not pushing for, demanding efficiency. Apparently that's not the way to get elected and get power. One of the saddest days in the Commonwealth was when our political leaders decided not to lower the tax rates that we voters approved on the ballot. I guess I just talked myself into voting to end the income tax. As a gesture of good faith maybe the pols and the unions could give up Patriot day, Bunker Hill day, Evacuation Day and the other 5 or 6 holidays they get that working folks don't get. Maybe they could agree to have as few sick days as working folks use. Maybe schools could be open another hour per day. If they would agree to that then I might change my mind.

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Tony K wrote:
There's a referendum on ending the state income tax coming up. This is your chance for a taxpayer revolt. Don't blow it. Be prepared for evey tax and spend politician in this state to tell you that if this referendum passes the sky will fall out. Don't get fooled or scared, because this time it's the pols and their hack-o-rama friends who are the ones that are scared, Big Time. The sky did not fall out when taxpayers passed Prop. 2 1/2 and and when voters in select cities/towns like Tyngsboro, decided not to overide 2 1/2.
It's high time that the city/town officials show their guts and say no to these outrageous demands of the unions. It's time to run Massachusetts like the private sector. Make these employees pay their share of health care costs and make them donate their share to 401K plans instead of full blown pensions.
State receivership

Billerica, MA

#10 Jan 31, 2008
Please sign up Chelmsford for this because the town officials are too worried about their own pay are are total irresponsible Morons.

“Thank a Veteran”

Since: Jan 08

You owe them your FREEDOM

#11 Jan 31, 2008
Bill wrote:
Didn't taxation have something to do with the start of the American Revolution?
"The tree of Librty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants"

T. Jefferson
JS - Billerica Watcher

Dracut, MA

#12 Feb 1, 2008
"And it's long overdue that local governments institute 401(k) retirement programs funded by employees, much like the private sector."
Governmnent officials make decisions. Those decisions need to be fair. The decisions should not be influenced by how the outcome will affect the decision maker's 401K, which is based on the profitability of different businesses.
Furthermore, if a government decision maker, makes an honest decision, which in turn pumps up the value of the decision maker's 401K, then someone who didn't get their way can yell "fraud" and have documentation to support the claim.
speak for yourself

Tyngsboro, MA

#13 Feb 1, 2008
for JS-Billerica Watcher,

Just because you have a crappy pension plan doesn't mean we should take away the right of Government employees to negotiate a good one for themselves. Lets get one thing straight the government isn't the private sector.

“Uncommon Sense”

Since: Jan 08

Westford Mass

#14 Feb 2, 2008
Read the front page of the USA Today yesterday. Government wages--including benefits--are significantly higher than private sector wages. That is an unsustainable financial model for most towns. And why shouldn't government employees be treated the same as private sector employees? Your statement needs an explanation or it is just partisan self serving crap.
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speak for yourself wrote:
for JS-Billerica Watcher,
Just because you have a crappy pension plan doesn't mean we should take away the right of Government employees to negotiate a good one for themselves. Lets get one thing straight the government isn't the private sector.

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