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Mr UD

Telford, PA

#1 May 5, 2011
get people outside of the school district interested in the school budget battle.

WE ARE and it's time to CUT!!!!!
signnsealed

Reading, PA

#2 May 5, 2011
after 12 years of service, a navy seal's average salary is 54k. average annual salary of a teacher is just above that....just saying...
Rob

Lyndhurst, NJ

#3 May 5, 2011
Average salaries are very misleading. Teachers, today, rarely work past 35 years, because at 35 years the pension is 87% of the highest 3 year salary. So, you end up with more young teachers than years ago. The salaries on the link are two years old so add at least 5%. The salaries of the adminsitrators and teachers are ridiculous. Adminsitrators, and there are a ton of them, are way overpaid. The teachers are maxing out well over $85K today which means the pension will be well over $70,000 a year for life. This is for a job where you work 185 days per year and have 99% job security once tenured. There is little to no need to cut anything for the kids or to increase taxes. It is time for this Board, and others, to get the compensation under control
http://php.app.com/PAteachers09/results.php...
Captain Obvious

Reading, PA

#4 May 5, 2011
Rob wrote:
Average salaries are very misleading. Teachers, today, rarely work past 35 years, because at 35 years the pension is 87% of the highest 3 year salary. So, you end up with more young teachers than years ago. The salaries on the link are two years old so add at least 5%. The salaries of the adminsitrators and teachers are ridiculous. Adminsitrators, and there are a ton of them, are way overpaid. The teachers are maxing out well over $85K today which means the pension will be well over $70,000 a year for life. This is for a job where you work 185 days per year and have 99% job security once tenured. There is little to no need to cut anything for the kids or to increase taxes. It is time for this Board, and others, to get the compensation under control
http://php.app.com/PAteachers09/results.php...
Maybe in the district you live in! No where near those numbers where I'm from! Maybe admins!
And I have known very little teachers who retired early. There is a 3 percent penalty for every year you work under 35.

If a person makes a career out of the military that is great! Just remember they are taken care of very well in their pension if they get full retirement. Not to mention housing and food while they are in the service. This more than compensates for their $20-25k salaries!

Everyone has their own feelings on this so it is what it is. For whats it's worth, I have never heard teacher complain about the money the make especially at the top of the pay scale. It is not your teachers fault we are in this mess.

If only schools could put the excess budget money in a savings account and carry it over into other years! But no! Gov't doesn't let that happen so schools spend every last dime! Not to mention most schools have had a huge growth in number of admins!

Just keep blaming your teachers! That's what politics want you to do! Down with the schools so it's more for them to spend on other projects while we never see a break in taxes
Captain Obvious

Reading, PA

#5 May 5, 2011
Oh and Rob! If you worked in a school especially in the city, you would know why no one works past 35 years! But people without the knowledge would sure cut down the people in the trenches.
Captain Obvious

Reading, PA

#6 May 5, 2011
or should I say cut down the trees that try to hold the soil together!
Amazing One

Broadview Heights, OH

#7 May 5, 2011
Are these students reacting because their teachers are giving them slanted views? Do they know that school districts are in trouble due to the short sightedness of the school boards, superintendents and the politicians? The state public employee’s pension’s shortfall is the main reason why. It so teachers and other state employees can retire with nearly full pay. Then you add social security as well as the 403B accounts, it makes a pretty lucrative retirement pay. Of course these students do not know this. Do their parents know this too?
Reality

Reading, PA

#8 May 5, 2011
Amazing One wrote:
The state public employee’s pension’s shortfall is the main reason why.
This is true, but the reason the system is in trouble is thanks to the shortsightedness of politicians going back as far as Governor Tom Ridge who gave districts a 'vacation' from having to pay into the system at adequate levels as a form of 'increase in funding' which continued for almost a decade even when they began warning of what is happening now as early as 2003. Teachers do not control PSERs and quite frankly they have paid in out of their salary continually and in fact began to pay a higher percentage over the last decade thanks to the politicians increasing their pensions at the same time they increased teachers (and at a much higher rate). Tell me this, if they just lowered the retirement percentage for teachers, why did their stay the same? hm?
Reality

Reading, PA

#9 May 5, 2011
Rob wrote:
Average salaries are very misleading. Teachers, today, rarely work past 35 years, because at 35 years the pension is 87% of the highest 3 year salary. So, you end up with more young teachers than years ago. The salaries on the link are two years old so add at least 5%. The salaries of the adminsitrators and teachers are ridiculous. Adminsitrators, and there are a ton of them, are way overpaid. The teachers are maxing out well over $85K today which means the pension will be well over $70,000 a year for life. This is for a job where you work 185 days per year and have 99% job security once tenured. There is little to no need to cut anything for the kids or to increase taxes. It is time for this Board, and others, to get the compensation under control
http://php.app.com/PAteachers09/results.php...
First, retirement is at 32 years. There is a formula that takes into account age and years of service, but 32 is the amount typically necessary to get the 87%. Secondly, in order to reach the $87,000 in most districts the teacher must have a Master's Degree plus 60 additional credits which is not the norm. The 'career' salary at most schools is a Master's Degree which is typically not $85,000. Additionally, no teacher has 99.9% job security, at least not if an administrator is doing their job and actually observing them. Any teacher can be released if they have 3 unsatisfactory reviews, with tenure or not. Tenure just ensures due process.
Nicole

Pottstown, PA

#10 May 5, 2011
What Mr. Turchanik failed to mention is that rasing taxes would cost each house hold on average $80 at year and that our school tax is the lowest in surrounding areas.
Chase

United States

#11 May 5, 2011
Nicole wrote:
What Mr. Turchanik failed to mention is that rasing taxes would cost each house hold on average $80 at year and that our school tax is the lowest in surrounding areas.
THIS FTW!

At least some people pay attention!
Lou

Bethlehem, PA

#12 May 5, 2011
Things are REALLY bad in the schools and to tell you the truth I am thankful to not be teaching anymore. However, the answer is not to throw more money at what is not working out. Cyber school are working for many kids. The kids are taught by teachers who are willing to have every lesson available for anyone to see and are not interuppted every 5 minutes by problems or distractions. I challenge that every teacher in the public school should have all of their lessons available for anyone at all to watch and then we can all see the situations in the classroom and have a better point of view. Kids who do not want to learn need to be removed from the school. Stop making the tax payers pay for what is not working. Students who do not care need to go dig ditches somewhere until they can value the opportunity. Those with learning problems should focus on learning a skill. If in the future they want to change careers they can then pay for their own training at a community college. As for sports and the extras. Really scale down and stop making us all pay for these. Students have a right to a basic education. It doesn't take a lot of $ to learn about and appreciate the arts. It doesn't take a lot of $ to play sports & get exercise simply AT gym class. I am sick of treating them all like they are future athletes and TV stars. Is that what our country needs? How about encouraging inventors, scientists and doctors? We are a society which is addicted to entertainment and I fear that we will soon be slaves to those countries which realize its future is not in the entertainment industry.
Joe

Bethlehem, PA

#14 May 5, 2011
signnsealed wrote:
after 12 years of service, a navy seal's average salary is 54k. average annual salary of a teacher is just above that....just saying...
I know teachers that make much more than that. What happen to helping each other anyway? It's not about what they make,but what they teach our kids. If our kids are learning everything and more, then I think it is worth paying more. If not,then they shouldn't even get paid that. Teachers need to be tested also,not just kids.tested on their teaching skills. It is nice to see parents with their kids here though,lol. Most I know push their kids in sports so they can do what they want without them.But there are a few that actually spend more time with kids in sports too. Those are the great parents.The question I have is, If they cut things like band,arts and sports, what pride will there be left in the school?How will you build from this?Sad to say, If you have no school spirit, how do you teach?Makes it harder on all including teachers.Just a thought.
we need tax relief

Emmaus, PA

#15 May 5, 2011
Rendell was a worthless goofball, no wonder his wife left him.
He let the school districts run wild with taxes the fool.
He was only ever the governor of fn Philly.
We need tax relief !
We need Tom Corbet !
Vote Donald Trump President !!!!!
Thomas

Beijing, China

#16 May 6, 2011
.."if the board can work out a deal with the teachers union for a pay freeze." There's your problem right there. The teachers union. They and their high salaries and pensions are what got the district in trouble in the first place.
Shelly Man

Washington, DC

#17 May 6, 2011
Reality is reality. The kids aren't going to become homeless by losing some programs. People cannot afford more taxes.
Stella

Los Angeles, CA

#18 May 6, 2011
Great, a bunch of teenagers who think whining makes money magically appear.
michelle

Greenville, NC

#19 May 6, 2011
Shelly Man wrote:
Reality is reality. The kids aren't going to become homeless by losing some programs. People cannot afford more taxes.
Maybe not(in best case scenerio), but the district will pay. If you have students who are involved in wholesome, afterschool activities, your crime rate/gang rate/drug-alcohol rates aren't as high. So by losing afterschool programs, you and others, in my opinion, are saying you'd rather students would just get drunk, high, and go hang out with the gangs after school.
michelle

Greenville, NC

#20 May 6, 2011
The teachers' union are what's to blame for a lot of this mess. So, if the teachers unions aren't willing to compromise, then in my opinion, every parent/student should have the right to sue the teachers unions for the loss of afterschool programs. Granted afterschool programs aren't a right, but by shutting them down, the teachers union, school board and others, are saying by their actions, that they'd rather that their students would just get drunk, high, and go hang out with the gangs after school; & mess their lives up with a criminal record. Just goes to show what the teacher union priorities are - money, not students.
Windy

Ligonier, IN

#21 May 6, 2011
Cut all sports programs. They are costly and do not contribute anything to the education of young people.

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