Our Re- elected sheriff is Firing deputies!!!!

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Nov 26, 2007
 
yes its true !!! Fox is a jerk! NOW can you citizenns see !!!
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Nov 26, 2007
 
why??? What is his reason?
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Nov 27, 2007
 
Yes, Sheriff Fox is releasing deputies from the Sheriff's Office. He said 4 years ago that everyone would keep their jobs but during this election, things would change.
There are certain people who work at MCSO who are not Fox supporters. All deputies serve at the pleasure of the Sheriff as stated in the Constitution. Each deputy has to be reinstated every 4 years.
If there are employees working for MCSO that are not Fox supporters, then they have served their time and it is now time for them to go. Any MCSO employee who will openly bash and slander Sheriff Fox should no longer work for him.
Does that mean that every employee has to vote for Fox? No, that means they should keep their mouths shut and their opinions to themselves.
It's time for Sheriff Fox to clean house of all of the malcontents and replace them with people who really want to be there.
Is Fox doing this out of retaliation? NO.
He's doing this so that people will learn that they can't act like children and do whatever they want to, act however they want to, and preserve their jobs at the same time.
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Nov 27, 2007
 
Seems like more of the same Mecklenburg good ole boy politics that was going on in the school board to me. The kicker here is Fox didn't have the intestinal fortitude to do his deeds before the election. My gripe goes like this: if Fox thought these guys weren't worthy of serving the PUBLIC a month ago why didn't he fire them then? If they were bad for the PUBLIC before he was re-elected he should have done it then. So where does ther public fall in his priorities? Evidently second to his ambition. My second gripe goes this way. If this county is to be served by a MCSO ruled by a "my way or the highway" sherrif then we can never expect an open an honest dept. By weeding out anyone who questions him he is in fact creating a closed system. I have to question such a system. It's been said absolute power corrupts absolutley. I'm not saying there is corruption, but I'm saying something ain't right. Thirdly, I've known Randy Inge all my life. Not a finer, nicer, more honest guy have I ever known than Randy. Not only him but his entire family are some of the most decent people to ever come out of Chase City. Before I'd believe Randy Inge did something wrong I'd believe Danny Fox did. I trust Randy any day over most any person I know! Where's the recall petition? I'll sign it.
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Nov 27, 2007
 
arearesident wrote:
Seems like more of the same Mecklenburg good ole boy politics that was going on in the school board to me. The kicker here is Fox didn't have the intestinal fortitude to do his deeds before the election. My gripe goes like this: if Fox thought these guys weren't worthy of serving the PUBLIC a month ago why didn't he fire them then? If they were bad for the PUBLIC before he was re-elected he should have done it then. So where does ther public fall in his priorities? Evidently second to his ambition. My second gripe goes this way. If this county is to be served by a MCSO ruled by a "my way or the highway" sherrif then we can never expect an open an honest dept. By weeding out anyone who questions him he is in fact creating a closed system. I have to question such a system. It's been said absolute power corrupts absolutley. I'm not saying there is corruption, but I'm saying something ain't right. Thirdly, I've known Randy Inge all my life. Not a finer, nicer, more honest guy have I ever known than Randy. Not only him but his entire family are some of the most decent people to ever come out of Chase City. Before I'd believe Randy Inge did something wrong I'd believe Danny Fox did. I trust Randy any day over most any person I know! Where's the recall petition? I'll sign it.
Ahhh, but I beg to differ. Danny stated when he was elected the first term that because it was his first term as he had never been sheriff before, he would allow everyone to preserve their position. This gave him the flexibility to make his own decision about his employees as opposed to what he saw when he was Chief Deputy. However, he was clear during this election that he could not guarantee that everyone would hold a position if he were re-elected.

The people that he's fired have been blantantly honest and cruel in the fact that they do not support Danny. Any MCSO employee that is not 100% loyal to their sheriff does not deserve a position at MCSO. It's not an issue of these people questioning Danny, it's an issue of them campaigning against him, slandering his name, blatant, vicious lies.

These people made 2 crucial mistakes: 1) being certain that Bobby was going to win 2) and also being certain that Danny would never have the gaul to fire them.

The MCSO employee work at the pleasure of the sheriff. They have to reinstated every 4 years. These people are malcontents. They were miserable under Clary, they're miserable under Fox and they'd be miserable if Bobby had one. Nothing makes a malcontent happy.
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Nov 27, 2007
 
But a kiss*** always make a boss happy. Doesn't help the public but the boss is always right.

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Nov 28, 2007
 
Sounds like coersion to me. Either they supported him or smiled and kept their mouths shut OR they would be fired if he was re-elected. So they were literally being blackmailed with the threat of losing their jobs. Nice. Any problems within the MCSO will always be swept under the rug if the sheriff thinks he can wave his authority around in this manner.
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#8
Nov 28, 2007
 
Sure inspires trust doesn't it? According to the paper Fox told a reporter it was a personnel matter and he wouldn't discuss it. I wonder who Fox works for? I THOUGHT it was for the people, but maybe I'm wrong. All I know is this seems to be a dirty, underhanded purge of officers he targeted BEFORE the elections for not showing enough support. That's what I gather from the papers and I have no reason to doubt that, knowing some of those that were victimized. Fox is walking tall now I guess. He's made examples of people just to prove his power. WOW, I'm impressed. Fox? Snake.
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Nov 28, 2007
 
Oh, and to FOX Supporter. If you are an employee of any law enforcement organization and are 100% supportive of a supervisor then you have a real problem. If you follow every order given and never ever question it then you are one sick individual. It's your job to question orders and commands. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. If your boss tells you to do something and you follow blindly I don't want to have you as a public protector. There's nothing more dangerous than an officer who can't, doesn't or won't think for themselves. Please, for all our sakes, if you are a deputy go and resign as quickly as possible. You're a hazard to the community!
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Nov 29, 2007
 
New Generation:

There is state law to support Fox. F sums it up completely.
15.2-1512.2. Political activities of firefighters, emergency medical technicians and law-enforcement officers and certain other officers and employees.
A. For the purposes of this section:
"Law-enforcement officer" means any person who is employed within the police department, bureau or force of any locality, including the sheriff's department of any city or county, and who is authorized by law to make arrests.
"Locality" means counties, cities, towns, authorities or special districts.
"Political campaign" means activities engaged in for the purpose of promoting a political issue, for influencing the outcome of an election for local or state office, or for influencing the outcome of a referendum or special election.
"Political candidate" means any person who has made known his or her intention to seek, or campaign for, local or state office in a general, primary or special election.
"Political party" means any party, organization or group having as its purpose the promotion of political candidates or political campaigns.
B. Notwithstanding any contrary provision of law, general or special, no locality shall prohibit firefighters, emergency medical technicians or law-enforcement officers within its employment, or deputies, appointees and employees of local constitutional officers as defined in 15.2-1600, from participating in political activities while these employees are off duty, out of uniform and not on the premises of their employment with the locality.
C. For purposes of this section, the term "political activities" includes, but is not limited to: voting; registering to vote; soliciting votes or endorsements on behalf of a political candidate or political campaign; expressing opinions, privately or publicly, on political subjects and candidates; displaying a political picture, sign, sticker, badge or button; participating in the activities of, or contributing financially to, a political party, candidate or campaign or an organization that supports a political candidate or campaign; attending or participating in a political convention, caucus, rally, or other political gathering; initiating, circulating or signing a political petition; engaging in fund-raising activities for any political party, candidate or campaign; acting as a recorder, watcher, challenger or similar officer at the polls on behalf of a political party, candidate or campaign; or becoming a political candidate.
D. Firefighters, emergency medical technicians, law-enforcement officers, and other employees specified in 15.2-1512.2 B are prohibited from using their official authority to coerce or attempt to coerce a subordinate employee to pay, lend or contribute anything of value to a political party, candidate or campaign, or to discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of that person's political affiliations or political activities, except as such affiliation or activity may be established by law as disqualification for employment.
E. Firefighters, emergency medical technicians, law-enforcement officers, and other employees specified in 15.2-1512.2 B are prohibited from discriminating in the provision of public services, including but not limited to fire fighting, emergency medical, or law-enforcement services, or responding to requests for such services, on the basis of the political affiliations or political activities of the person or organization for which such services are provided or requested.
F. Firefighters, emergency medical technicians, law-enforcement officers, and other employees specified in 15.2-1512.2 B are prohibited from suggesting or implying that a locality has officially endorsed a political party, candidate or campaign.
(2000, c. 791; 2002, c. 886.)
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#11
Nov 29, 2007
 
Area Resident:

There is a huge difference in following blindly and supporting your boss.
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Nov 29, 2007
 
I wonder if the sheriff has instructed his loyal in the little circle deputies to retaliate against all the people who had Hawkins signs in their yards. This will be great for fine money though, might help pay for all the new training since at least 9 people have now been fired. Hope Pearce's Mini Mart in Lacross or South Hill Cheveron or lots of other vocal Hawkins supporters don't need any MCSO help in the future cause they nay be screwed.... you know those response times are real killers...; just a thought
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Nov 29, 2007
 
oh by the way I was a Fox voter. Was is the key word here
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Nov 29, 2007
 
There is a huge difference in supporting and following blind. You said 100% support or you don't deserve a job. That implies if you have any doubt about anything the boss says you don't deserve a job. Why should a deputy openly support a sherrif? If you think by not taking a position you should be fired, you have a problem with democracy. It's a persons right to keep his opinion to himself and vote the way he wants to vote. My question to you Fox Supporter; if a deputy was neutral during a campaign, then 6 months or a year later said he voted Hawkins, should he be fired? Even if his job performance never suffered?
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Nov 29, 2007
 
arearesident wrote:
There is a huge difference in supporting and following blind. You said 100% support or you don't deserve a job. That implies if you have any doubt about anything the boss says you don't deserve a job. Why should a deputy openly support a sherrif? If you think by not taking a position you should be fired, you have a problem with democracy. It's a persons right to keep his opinion to himself and vote the way he wants to vote. My question to you Fox Supporter; if a deputy was neutral during a campaign, then 6 months or a year later said he voted Hawkins, should he be fired? Even if his job performance never suffered?
Go back and reread post 5. I say 100% LOYAL.

Everyone does have a right to vote how they want. However, be wise enough to keep your mouth shut when you are an appointed official. That seems to be the overall misconception here. That the deputies/MCSO employees who were released meekly voted for Hawkins and never expressed their disdain and repulse for Fox. That's incorrect. And of course they're going to say they didn't do anything wrong. Seems to be a popular defense since most criminals were 'wrongly' arrested,'wrongly' convicted and 'wrongly' emprisoned.

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Nov 29, 2007
 
Fox supporter, it looks like the Sheriff violated B and C while F does not support his actions.
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Nov 30, 2007
 
New Generation:
My question to you is, what would you do if you were in Fox's shoes?
You know you wouldn't keep individuals who are in your department who aren't loyal and did everything in their power to get Fox ousted.
They just got a little too sure of themselves in being certain that either Bobby would win or Danny wouldn't have the guts to let them go.
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Nov 30, 2007
 
I don't think Fox Supporter understands the meaning of paragraph F. If he's using F as the reason for terminating,looks like faulty reasoning to me. As New Generation correctly pointed out, B&C were violated. And please get off the 100% support. Heck, I don't even 100% endorse my own damn actions. Everyone questions authority at some point. If you don't you're a fool. Ohhhhhh, I think I just got it.
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Nov 30, 2007
 
Arearesident:
There.is.a.difference.in.being .100%.loyal.versus.
agreeing.with.every.single.act ion.

I am completely loyal to my spouse, does that mean we don't disagree and neither of us question the other? Of course not.
Get your head out of your behind and stop nitpicking.

I don't care where it's written or how it's written for Fox to be able to do what he's done. The point is he has that authority. And that authority is not created by Fox himself or by Mecklenburg County...it's created by the US Constitution.

If you or anyone else was in his shoes, you'd do the same. There's this thing called responsibility and accountability. And the people who were vehemently trying to oust Fox from office have to step up to the plate and accept their consequences. They didn't want to be there anyway. They should count their blessings that they'll get paid for the next 6 weeks while no longer being under the man they desperately didn't want to work for.
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Nov 30, 2007
 
Nitpicking? What's it called when a deputy is fired because he doesn't outwardly support the sherrif, instead chooses to stay neutral? To have the authority to fire at a whim is one thing but to use it for your own political purposes is another. There is no way on earth the termination of all those officers for not supporting Danny is decent. It may be legal but not right or decent. If they didn't want to be there they would have quit, don't you think? Maybe the thought of serving the pulic was more important than to serve Danny Fox. After all, it's the public they are all supposed to be serving, regardless of who the sherrif is. Again, I understand the "power" of the sherrif, but I think to use it for personal reasons is outside the scope and purpose of the power. I guess I'm wrong. My gosh. Why would anybody want to work for Fox? If you don't nod in agreement with him you get fired, your career is ruined and you have that on your work history for the rest of your life. Merry Christmas. It's bossism like that, that made them hope change I'd suspect. Now the rest malcontents will keep their jobs by cowering, saying yessir chief, anything you want chief, you're right sir. Right on it sir! 100% beside you SIR!
Boy, don't I feel safer already!

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