Worse than high gas prices...innaccur...

Worse than high gas prices...innaccurate pumps!!!

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BGInsider

Georgetown, IN

#1 Feb 21, 2013
Well, we all know and debate the high gas prices in BG. Almost all of us know what a rip-off it is and the gouging continues. Here's another point to ponder and shows just how crooked they are.

Not too long ago, on a day when gas prices were on the rise. You know, Minit Mart goes up by 15 to 20 cents then all the others go up in a matter of hours.(that is how it goes, by-the-way). When I saw this latest spiking going on, I saw the Shell (Houchens owned) on the by-Pass (across from McDonalds' and Midas) hadn't gone up yet. I pulled in and filled up my car. I then went home and got my truck and filled it up as well. I also took my 5 gallon can with me for using with my tractor and mower.

Here's where it gets interesting. I filled the car and truck (different pumps each time) and made a separate purchase for the five gallon can. I filled the car and truck and paid little notice to the measure of gallons which went in. Because I made a separate purchase for the five gallon can (which was empty and had been filled many times) I knew it would hold five gallons. In the past it was filled to the top at 5.1 gallons. When I filled the five gallon can, I watched the meter on the pump and was horrified when it showed 5.3, 5.4, 5.6, 5.7 and so on. I stopped at 6.0 and looked in the can, it was near the top but could hold a little bit more. I stopped the pump and went inside to complain to the manager. After taking a while to convince her I WASN'T wrong and actually knew how to pump gas, she gave me three dollars back but wouldn't do anything about the other two vehicles which I had previously filled.

Upon leaving the store, I immediately called the State Department of Agriculture to report this. The other day, under a FOI request, I got the results of the spot inspection based on my complaint and here it is:

On the pump I reported, it was off by 21%!!! Just think about how much money Shell/Houchens STOLE and for how long they'd been STEALING it!!! Only one pump was accurate and that was the diesel pump. One pump was within 2% and that was a 92 octane pump. Of the commonly used grade, 87% octane, EVERY pump was off between 5% and 6%. Oh, and no pump was off to the customers' advantage, that would be noted by a negative percentage. So, on every pump of the common grade gas, they were giving 5% to 6% LESS gas than shown on the pump. This means we were (and are?) paying 5% to 6% more than wee should be, based on the inaccurate measurements!!!

This is getting ridiculous......the highest gas prices in Kentucky, and this too? When will it stop!!!!!!!!!!

Since: Nov 10

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#2 Feb 21, 2013
The state checks these pumps for accuracy, plus they check to make sure the octane is correct for each pump. It wouldn't have went on to long.
Flex-Fuel Vehicle

La Grange, KY

#3 Feb 21, 2013
A Vehicle designed for Flex fuel can be used to steal from you when ever they feel like it.

It takes twice as much Ethanol to make your vehicle travel one mile compared to Gasoline.

Some are designed to run on higher than 15 percent Ethanol, some up to 60% Ethanol.

Flexible fuel vehicles (FFVs) are designed to run on gasoline or a blend of up to 85% ethanol (E85). Except for a few engine and fuel system modifications, they are identical to gasoline-only models. FFVs experience no loss in performance when operating on E85. However, since ethanol contains less energy per volume than gasoline, FFVs typically get about 25-30% fewer miles per gallon when fueled with E85

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/flextech.shtml
Lone Ranger

Tucker, GA

#4 Feb 21, 2013
YOU WONT LIKE THIS wrote:
The state checks these pumps for accuracy, plus they check to make sure the octane is correct for each pump. It wouldn't have went on to long.
You assume this wouldn't go on too long. I bet all pumps are like this. Still see you still have the Obama blinders on. Smh.

If it went on for an hour, that's to long.

Since: Nov 10

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#5 Feb 21, 2013
Lone Ranger wrote:
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You assume this wouldn't go on too long. I bet all pumps are like this. Still see you still have the Obama blinders on. Smh.
If it went on for an hour, that's to long.
With the state checking every station it wouldn't have gone on long. Don't get your message about Obama blinders, he won, so I'm not blind to tears like you. Better luck next election loser!
Lone Ranger

Tucker, GA

#6 Feb 21, 2013
YOU WONT LIKE THIS wrote:
<quoted text>With the state checking every station it wouldn't have gone on long. Don't get your message about Obama blinders, he won, so I'm not blind to tears like you. Better luck next election loser!
The only losers are the unemployed. Thanks Obama for keeping them unemployed as long as he has. Who is he going to blame this time?
Just me

Tucker, GA

#7 Feb 21, 2013
YOU WONT LIKE THIS wrote:
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With the state checking every station it wouldn't have gone on long. Don't get your message about Obama blinders, he won, so I'm not blind to tears like you. Better luck next election loser!
. Pumps are only certified once a year.
BGInsider

Georgetown, IN

#8 Feb 21, 2013
......so how long was this one stealing at the rate of 21%????????? Plus, to be off 5% or 6% is too much for me, and I wouldn't doubt that they were rigged this way....I wonder if they at least got fined for it, the State couldn't tell me that though, only the results of the inspection under the FOI act. Still makes me sick..........
Just a lil info..

Brandenburg, KY

#10 Feb 21, 2013
Obviously it's pretty ridiculous for the pumps to be off like that. I have experience working in a gas station (different company) and I can tell you that the pumps are tested or certified once a year. An attendant or manager would have no way to know the pumps were off unless a customer complained or they noticed it while pumping gas for themselves. They also have no way to purposely disrupt the pumps like that. More than likely the person that does maintenance on the pumps doesn't know what he or she is doing. I imagine they are gonna hear about this. lol I hope they will compensate you in some way considering this report but I'm not gonna hold my breath. :(

Since: Feb 13

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#11 Feb 21, 2013
You're lying, Insider. Out your ass. Pants on fire.

There is no way in hell you could have waited this long to tell us about your experience at the pump, had it actually happened.

You did not obtain results from the state from a Freedom of Information Act request. The FOIA covers federal, not state, issues.
research it...

Alliance, OH

#12 Feb 21, 2013
They Call Me Bad News wrote:
You're lying, Insider. Out your ass. Pants on fire.

There is no way in hell you could have waited this long to tell us about your experience at the pump, had it actually happened.

You did not obtain results from the state from a Freedom of Information Act request. The FOIA covers federal, not state, issues.
Every state has their own Freedom of Information Act that has been passed.

Since: Feb 13

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#13 Feb 21, 2013
[QUOTE who="Just a lil info.."]Obviously it's pretty ridiculous for the pumps to be off like that. I have experience working in a gas station (different company) and I can tell you that the pumps are tested or certified once a year. An attendant or manager would have no way to know the pumps were off unless a customer complained or they noticed it while pumping gas for themselves. They also have no way to purposely disrupt the pumps like that. More than likely the person that does maintenance on the pumps doesn't know what he or she is doing. I imagine they are gonna hear about this. lol I hope they will compensate you in some way considering this report but I'm not gonna hold my breath.:([/QUOTE]

Take his post with a grain of salt. He specifically states that he used the FOIA to obtain state records. The FOIA can only be used to obtain information from federal agencies. Bear in mind that he has also claimed that the state AG, the president of WKU, and Houchens are all are part of some elaborate operation to allow Houchens to charge above market prices for gas. He also believes that Houchens owns 90% of the gas stations here. He sees Minit Marts in Franklin on streets that don't have Minit Marts.

The boy has so many issues that he's often mistaken for a comic book store.

Since: Feb 13

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#14 Feb 21, 2013
[QUOTE who="research it..."]<quoted text>
Every state has their own Freedom of Information Act that has been passed.
[/QUOTE]

Kentucky does not have anything with that title, or anything remotely close to that title. Not by a long shot. He referred to that specific act twice.

I say he's lying outright. Otherwise I would have to believe that he's so stupid that he doesn't know what he got, what it says, or how he got it. On top of that I would have to believe that the loon sat on the story for that long. Anyone familiar with his crap knows that he doesn't let the truth or common sense get in his way.
BGInsider

Georgetown, IN

#15 Feb 21, 2013
They Call Me Bad News wrote:
You're lying, Insider. Out your ass. Pants on fire.
There is no way in hell you could have waited this long to tell us about your experience at the pump, had it actually happened.
You did not obtain results from the state from a Freedom of Information Act request. The FOIA covers federal, not state, issues.
We've figured it out by now....you work for Houchens. It did happen, I did report it to the manager. I did report it to the State Dept of Agriculture. I did wait for the investigation and did request the results under the FOI act as they instructed me to. I received the results in the mail and reported the findings here.......go crawl back under the shelving at your favorite Jr. Food Store or IGA!!! You can call the Department as well and ask to confirm the report if you care.

We are all being stolen from, on more than one way, and you are the ONLY person defending what we are being forced to suffer.

I know one thing...there needs to be consumers legislation protecting us from things like this. There needs to be AT THE STORES copies of the latest inspections made available to us at any time or better still they should be required to be posted in-store at all times the results of the latest inspections.

Now tell us what's wrong with this idea?????

Since: Nov 10

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#16 Feb 21, 2013
Lone Ranger wrote:
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The only losers are the unemployed. Thanks Obama for keeping them unemployed as long as he has. Who is he going to blame this time?
There are jobs homeboy, just lazy Americans who do not want to work. Harmen, and FPI are both begging for help...just two examples.

Since: Feb 13

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#17 Feb 21, 2013
BGInsider wrote:
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We've figured it out by now....you work for Houchens. It did happen, I did report it to the manager. I did report it to the State Dept of Agriculture. I did wait for the investigation and did request the results under the FOI act as they instructed me to.
You're full of it. The FOI act applies to requests for information from federal executive agencies. Kentucky's program is the Kentucky Open Records Law (KRS 61.870 - KRS 61.874). Telling the same lie over and over doesn't make it true.

Why don't you scan what they sent you and post it for us to see? BTW, how much did they charge you for the results of their investigation of that station?
fudds

Franklin, KY

#18 Feb 21, 2013
Hmm, you've piqued my interest BGInsider. I'll be patrolling this summer in Franklin. If you have all the proof that Shell is doing that in BG, the next step would be to out them publicly by contacting WBKO.

Bad news, even the greasy, dirtbags of our society deserve at least a token defense and you do it kinda well.
BGInsider

Georgetown, IN

#19 Feb 21, 2013
They Call Me Bad News wrote:
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You're full of it. The FOI act applies to requests for information from federal executive agencies. Kentucky's program is the Kentucky Open Records Law (KRS 61.870 - KRS 61.874). Telling the same lie over and over doesn't make it true.
Why don't you scan what they sent you and post it for us to see? BTW, how much did they charge you for the results of their investigation of that station?
It's free under the law......

Got an idea for you genius.....go to the Shell station and ask them!!!
Lone Ranger

United States

#21 Feb 21, 2013
YOU WONT LIKE THIS wrote:
<quoted text>There are jobs homeboy, just lazy Americans who do not want to work. Harmen, and FPI are both begging for help...just two examples.
You all look at the numbers, I look at the same numbers. I see high unemployment numbers still. Tell me who he can blame now, homeboy!
fudds

Franklin, KY

#22 Feb 21, 2013
YOU WONT LIKE THIS wrote:
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There are jobs homeboy, just lazy Americans who do not want to work. Harmen, and FPI are both begging for help...just two examples.
Well, why don't you go work for them? You'll find out why they're begging for help.

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