Cockfighting Vs. raising fighting roo...
cockfighter

Dunmor, KY

#42 Feb 11, 2013
Carlos Spicy-Weiner wrote:
Fowl*. I disagree. If someone is prochoice, but is against cockfighting, doesn't mean they'd rather kill unborn children. I don't feel like going into detail on why your opinion is stupid and invalid, but if you think about it a bit, I'm sure you'll understand why.
I'm sure everyone would like for you to explain why prochoice is ok and cockfighting is bad....can't wait to hear this!!!!
joe

Franklin, KY

#43 Feb 11, 2013
That guy's been raising those roosters for a long time - at least 15-20 years. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone say anything about it. If he was fighting them, he'd have been caught a long time ago.

Funny thing though, someone made a big sign a few years back that said "Got Cock?" on it and set it up out there next to his fence facing Veteran's Memorial so everyone could see it driving by.
Carlos Spicy-Weiner

United States

#44 Feb 11, 2013
cockfighter wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure everyone would like for you to explain why prochoice is ok and cockfighting is bad....can't wait to hear this!!!!
I am not specifically prochoice, but the isn't being prochoice the idea of deciding to have an abortion? Rape, having children you can't support, simply not being mentally or emotionally stable would be reasons for a woman to abort a child. I don't agree that they are valid or justifiable, but prochoice is just that--a choice. Cockfighting is simply cruel, as is dogfighting. What if we put our fellow man in a match against another, knowing the end result is death for one or the other?
cockfighter

Columbus, OH

#45 Feb 12, 2013
Carlos Spicy-Weiner wrote:
<quoted text>I am not specifically prochoice, but the isn't being prochoice the idea of deciding to have an abortion? Rape, having children you can't support, simply not being mentally or emotionally stable would be reasons for a woman to abort a child. I don't agree that they are valid or justifiable, but prochoice is just that--a choice. Cockfighting is simply cruel, as is dogfighting. What if we put our fellow man in a match against another, knowing the end result is death for one or the other?
Man vs fowl?? Really??? Do u eat chicken??? I'm sure you do!! No comparison!!! You don't eat dogs and u don't eat people!!!
Bubba Craft

Cantonment, FL

#46 Feb 12, 2013
Personally, I'd rather raise the fighting roosters instead of "crossing swords" with another man. Call it "cockfighting" if you will, but it's still gay as hell.

{Bubba Craft's witticisms, rants, raves, opinions & beliefs are his own & are neither endorsed or rejected by the Corporate Board of BubbaCraft Maximum Performance Watercraft, Boats, & Amphibious Assault Vehicles, LLC}
4humanrights

San Mateo, CA

#47 Feb 19, 2013
http://msexceptiontotherule.wordpress.com/201...

The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has agreed to pay the parent company of the Ringling Bros. Circus $9.3 million to settle allegations that the animal group conspired to pay a witness for false testimony in a 12-year lawsuit over the treatment of circus elephants.

Feld Entertainment, the circus’s operator, said Friday that the settlement resolves the ASPCA’s part in paying Tom Rider, the star witness procured by a larger group of animal advocacy organizations, to testify falsely about abuse he claimed to have witnessed at the hands of circus trainers. That lawsuit was first brought into federal court in 2000.

The payment releases the ASPCA from liability related to a racketeering counter-suit Feld brought against the animal organizations in 2007 after documents turned over in discovery showed that the plaintiffs made payments — often through a nonprofit managed by their lawyers — to Rider.

The defendants included the ASPCA, the Fund for Animals, the Animal Welfare Institute and the Animal Protection Institute United with Born Free USA. The Humane Society of the United States also became a defendant when it merged with the Fund for Animals in 2005.

Evidence in the trial showed that some of the funds paid to the nonprofit pass-through group were provided by the Humane Society of the United States with a check signed by its CEO, Wayne Pacelle.

Friday’s settlement, Feld said in a statement, does not release any of the other defendants from the suit, based on the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO). Rider is also a co-defendant, as are the attorneys involved.

Two of those lawyers, Jonathan Lovvorn and Kimberly Ockene, now work for the Humane Society of the United States but practiced law at Meyer Glitzenstein & Crystal during some of the years the original lawsuit wound its way through the courts. The firm’s principals — Katherine Meyer, Eric Glitzenstein and Howard Crystal — are also RICO defendants, along with their nonprofit Wildlife Advocacy Project, the organization that paid Rider $190,000 over a period of two years.

“Our firm has been defending Feld Entertainment against this onslaught of misguided litigation brought by animal activist groups for years. As their attorneys, it is gratifying to finally have a settlement that begins to make up for the harm inflicted on this company, the family who owns it, and its employees,” said John Simpson of Fulbright & Jaworski L.L.P., the lead counsel for Feld Entertainment.

ASPCA President & CEO Ed Sayres issued a statement Friday in which he said his group “concluded that it is in the best interests of the organization to resolve this expensive, protracted litigation.”

He noted that a federal judge never ruled on the merits of the 2000 case, which alleged the Ringling Bros. Circus violated the Endangered Species Act by importing and breeding elephants for its circuses.(RELATED VIDEO: Animal rights at the circus: TheDC puts activists’ claims to the test)

Sayres did not address the suit or his organization’s role in paying its chief witness. He did concede, however, that the litigation “stopped being about the elephants a long time ago.”

ASPCA spokeswoman Emily Schneider told The Daily Caller that the group “does not admit to any liability or wrongdoing.”

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4humanrights

San Mateo, CA

#48 Feb 19, 2013
HISTORY LESSON ON ANIMAL RIGHTS AND TYRANNY

“Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

Hitler's Nazi Germany was marked by a preoccupation with "animal rights." Hitler's Third Reich passed numerous animal protection laws, such as declaring that shoeing a horse was cruel, and declared an end to dissection. This reduced Man’s status to that of animals, and justified treating men as animals. Before the war was ended, the Nazis stepped up experiments on the best way to castrate a Jew without anesthesia, and turned countless men, women and children into lampshades and soap. These Nazi actions were justifiable by their belief that it was possible to "...increase the moral standing of animals and decrease the moral standing of people, thus integrating human characteristics to animals... elevating animal life to the level of cult worship...which would lead to the spiritual and ideological changes necessary... for a new national identity."

The real political objective of “animal rights” is to eliminate "unalienable rights," and to make way for all these other supposed rights and pervert our Bill of Rights to the point where only the perverted are protected. A favored socialist strategy is to separate the population from common sense and its own laws by bringing about chaos, clouding real issues, then bring about “change” through gradual “legislation from within.” Ruling by planned crisis is the favored method, as this short-circuits the brain’s ability to think and reason clearly about true issues. This planned chaos (such as “animal cruelty,”“puppy mills” and “cock fighting”) is designed to rob the nation of its creativity and life force, degrade human existence, make everything seem uncontrollable and bad, which then allows the introduction of a tyrannical form of government.

The Gestapo was first used by Goring to do away with political opponents. A "temporary" state of emergency was declared after the Reichstag fire, but was never rescinded. This allowed the Gestapo to enforce conformity at every level of society. Block wardens monitored their neighbors, and children were recruited to inform on their teachers and parents. The Gestapo was authorized to hold people in "protective custody" which was really arbitrary arrest and imprisonment. At first, only political prisoners were taken under the guise of "preventive protective custody" and placed in SS-controlled concentration camps; later, anyone was hunted down and taken who was deemed to not fit in with SS and Gestapo vision of a perfect Aryan society.("SS" came from Schutzstaffel which means "elite guard").

Today we see this same conduct and set of circumstances appearing in some of our civic institutions. The only way for one man to achieve dominion and control over another is through the darkness of IGNORANCE. Let’s get educated about our own laws, so that tyranny cannot gain a foothold in America, and so that we can once again have “happiness and good government flowing forth” as paraphrased by all our early education laws. We do have some beautiful laws. Let’s learn them, and insist that our civic institutions obey them for the good of our nation. God Bless America.





-Compiled by: Janet I. Fischer and S.A. Martin

17954-A S. Euclid Ave.

Chino, CA 91710

-tree rat-

Since: Jan 13

#51 Feb 20, 2013
4humanrights wrote:
HISTORY LESSON ON ANIMAL RIGHTS AND TYRANNY
&#8220;Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.&#8221;
Hitler's Nazi Germany was marked by a preoccupation with "animal rights." Hitler's Third Reich passed numerous animal protection laws, such as declaring that shoeing a horse was cruel, and declared an end to dissection. This reduced Man&#8217;s status to that of animals, and justified treating men as animals. Before the war was ended, the Nazis stepped up experiments on the best way to castrate a Jew without anesthesia, and turned countless men, women and children into lampshades and soap. These Nazi actions were justifiable by their belief that it was possible to "...increase the moral standing of animals and decrease the moral standing of people, thus integrating human characteristics to animals... elevating animal life to the level of cult worship...which would lead to the spiritual and ideological changes necessary... for a new national identity."
The real political objective of &#8220;animal rights&#8221; is to eliminate "unalienable rights," and to make way for all these other supposed rights and pervert our Bill of Rights to the point where only the perverted are protected. A favored socialist strategy is to separate the population from common sense and its own laws by bringing about chaos, clouding real issues, then bring about &#8220;change&#8221; through gradual &#8220;legislation from within.&#8221; Ruling by planned crisis is the favored method, as this short-circuits the brain&#8217;s ability to think and reason clearly about true issues. This planned chaos (such as &#8220;animal cruelty,&#8221; &#8220;puppy mills&#8221; and &#8220;cock fighting&#8221;) is designed to rob the nation of its creativity and life force, degrade human existence, make everything seem uncontrollable and bad, which then allows the introduction of a tyrannical form of government.
The Gestapo was first used by Goring to do away with political opponents. A "temporary" state of emergency was declared after the Reichstag fire, but was never rescinded. This allowed the Gestapo to enforce conformity at every level of society. Block wardens monitored their neighbors, and children were recruited to inform on their teachers and parents. The Gestapo was authorized to hold people in "protective custody" which was really arbitrary arrest and imprisonment. At first, only political prisoners were taken under the guise of "preventive protective custody" and placed in SS-controlled concentration camps; later, anyone was hunted down and taken who was deemed to not fit in with SS and Gestapo vision of a perfect Aryan society.("SS" came from Schutzstaffel which means "elite guard").
Today we see this same conduct and set of circumstances appearing in some of our civic institutions. The only way for one man to achieve dominion and control over another is through the darkness of IGNORANCE. Let&#8217;s get educated about our own laws, so that tyranny cannot gain a foothold in America, and so that we can once again have &#8220;happiness and good government flowing forth&#8221; as paraphrased by all our early education laws. We do have some beautiful laws. Let&#8217;s learn them, and insist that our civic institutions obey them for the good of our nation. God Bless America.
-Compiled by: Janet I. Fischer and S.A. Martin
17954-A S. Euclid Ave.
Chino, CA 91710
May whatever god you pray to bless you for posting this. History is a wheel, all we have to do to see what is coming is to look back.
fudds

Franklin, KY

#52 Feb 21, 2013
Bubba Craft wrote:
Personally, I'd rather raise the fighting roosters instead of "crossing swords" with another man. Call it "cockfighting" if you will, but it's still gay as hell.
{Bubba Craft's witticisms, rants, raves, opinions & beliefs are his own & are neither endorsed or rejected by the Corporate Board of BubbaCraft Maximum Performance Watercraft, Boats, & Amphibious Assault Vehicles, LLC}
Ha ha, I see what you did there!
fudds

Franklin, KY

#53 Feb 21, 2013
4humanrights wrote:
HISTORY LESSON ON ANIMAL RIGHTS AND TYRANNY
“Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
Hitler's Nazi Germany was marked by a preoccupation with "animal rights." Hitler's Third Reich passed numerous animal protection laws, such as declaring that shoeing a horse was cruel, and declared an end to dissection. This reduced Man’s status to that of animals, and justified treating men as animals. Before the war was ended, the Nazis stepped up experiments on the best way to castrate a Jew without anesthesia, and turned countless men, women and children into lampshades and soap. These Nazi actions were justifiable by their belief that it was possible to "...increase the moral standing of animals and decrease the moral standing of people, thus integrating human characteristics to animals... elevating animal life to the level of cult worship...which would lead to the spiritual and ideological changes necessary... for a new national identity."
The real political objective of “animal rights” is to eliminate "unalienable rights," and to make way for all these other supposed rights and pervert our Bill of Rights to the point where only the perverted are protected. A favored socialist strategy is to separate the population from common sense and its own laws by bringing about chaos, clouding real issues, then bring about “change” through gradual “legislation from within.” Ruling by planned crisis is the favored method, as this short-circuits the brain’s ability to think and reason clearly about true issues. This planned chaos (such as “animal cruelty,”“puppy mills” and “cock fighting”) is designed to rob the nation of its creativity and life force, degrade human existence, make everything seem uncontrollable and bad, which then allows the introduction of a tyrannical form of government.
The Gestapo was first used by Goring to do away with political opponents. A "temporary" state of emergency was declared after the Reichstag fire, but was never rescinded. This allowed the Gestapo to enforce conformity at every level of society. Block wardens monitored their neighbors, and children were recruited to inform on their teachers and parents. The Gestapo was authorized to hold people in "protective custody" which was really arbitrary arrest and imprisonment. At first, only political prisoners were taken under the guise of "preventive protective custody" and placed in SS-controlled concentration camps; later, anyone was hunted down and taken who was deemed to not fit in with SS and Gestapo vision of a perfect Aryan society.("SS" came from Schutzstaffel which means "elite guard").
Today we see this same conduct and set of circumstances appearing in some of our civic institutions. The only way for one man to achieve dominion and control over another is through the darkness of IGNORANCE. Let’s get educated about our own laws, so that tyranny cannot gain a foothold in America, and so that we can once again have “happiness and good government flowing forth” as paraphrased by all our early education laws. We do have some beautiful laws. Let’s learn them, and insist that our civic institutions obey them for the good of our nation. God Bless America.
-Compiled by: Janet I. Fischer and S.A. Martin
17954-A S. Euclid Ave.
Chino, CA 91710
I didn't read your post.
COCKSIDIOSIS

United States

#54 Feb 25, 2013
HAVE YOU RETARDS EVER TRIED TO EAT A GAME ROOSTER? YOU TRULY ARE CLUELESS
COCKSIDIOSIS

United States

#55 Feb 25, 2013
HERE ARE SOME 'FACTS' YOU SCHOLORS NEVER KNEW!!
All fighting roosters 'will' seek-out and fight each other 'regardless' of human contact, it is their 'natural instinct to fight'.
From Wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamecock

In the United States, famous presidents who were lovers of the game were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, and Abraham Lincoln. It was socially acceptable and encouraged for a gentleman to have a flock of gamecocks and to be an expert on the sport. At one point, the U.S. Became a center for cockfighting activities and events. Cockfights were even held in the committee rooms of the president. It is said that the fighting-cock almost became the 'national emblem'. It lost by 'one vote' to the American eagle.
In the first century after Christ, Julius Caesar led Rome into enjoying the sport of cockfighting. He was the first citizen of rome to be an enthusiast of the sport. Caesar ultimately introduced cockfighting into England. In the 16th century, cockfighting was flourishing in England. During the time of King Henry VIII, cockfights were held at whitehall palace. The game became a national sport at one point, and exclusive schools were required to teach students the points of cockfighting, such as breeding, walking, and conditioning of the gamecock. At its very height of popularity, even the clergy encouraged the sport. Church yards and inside of the churches were used as an arena for cockfighting.

And btw: if noone raises and owns them...will they not become extinct?? learn before you yap about things you know very little about...
Sue

Bowling Green, KY

#56 Feb 25, 2013
COCKSIDIOSIS wrote:
HERE ARE SOME 'FACTS' YOU SCHOLORS NEVER KNEW!!
All fighting roosters 'will' seek-out and fight each other 'regardless' of human contact, it is their 'natural instinct to fight'.
From Wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamecock

In the United States, famous presidents who were lovers of the game were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, and Abraham Lincoln. It was socially acceptable and encouraged for a gentleman to have a flock of gamecocks and to be an expert on the sport. At one point, the U.S. Became a center for cockfighting activities and events. Cockfights were even held in the committee rooms of the president. It is said that the fighting-cock almost became the 'national emblem'. It lost by 'one vote' to the American eagle.
In the first century after Christ, Julius Caesar led Rome into enjoying the sport of cockfighting. He was the first citizen of rome to be an enthusiast of the sport. Caesar ultimately introduced cockfighting into England. In the 16th century, cockfighting was flourishing in England. During the time of King Henry VIII, cockfights were held at whitehall palace. The game became a national sport at one point, and exclusive schools were required to teach students the points of cockfighting, such as breeding, walking, and conditioning of the gamecock. At its very height of popularity, even the clergy encouraged the sport. Church yards and inside of the churches were used as an arena for cockfighting.

And btw: if noone raises and owns them...will they not become extinct?? learn before you yap about things you know very little about...
There are a lot of things that were popular in the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th and even 20th centuries that we now know should no longer be legal. This argument does not strengthen the opinion that cock fighting is okay. It only tells me that your thought processes have not evolved much from 16th century thinking.
UScockfighters

San Mateo, CA

#58 Feb 25, 2013
to know WHO are the MAJORITY of US Gamefowl sports practitioners,

http://gamecocksunlimited.wordpress.com/the-c...
UScockfighters

San Mateo, CA

#59 Feb 25, 2013
ASPCA/HSUS Racketering scam.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/28/aspca-pays -...

it strengthen the opinion that RACKETEERING is ILLEGAL.
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a lot of things that were popular in the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th and even 20th centuries that we now know should no longer be legal. This argument does not strengthen the opinion that cock fighting is okay. It only tells me that your thought processes have not evolved much from 16th century thinking.
UScockfighters

San Mateo, CA

#60 Feb 25, 2013
http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/28/aspca-pays-...
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a lot of things that were popular in the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th and even 20th centuries that we now know should no longer be legal. This argument does not strengthen the opinion that cock fighting is okay. It only tells me that your thought processes have not evolved much from 16th century thinking.
trio

United States

#63 Mar 10, 2013
Thank god she has not seen my 400+roosters on my property come on out and I will show you y I raise all of them
trio

United States

#64 Mar 10, 2013
Bring your wallet
just1breath

Wailuku, HI

#66 Apr 5, 2013
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a lot of things that were popular in the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th and even 20th centuries that we now know should no longer be legal. This argument does not strengthen the opinion that cock fighting is okay. It only tells me that your thought processes have not evolved much from 16th century thinking.
If what your saying is true then why do people still flock to see their statues and monuments. I think if society is gonna dictate my life then by my all means tear everything built by them and for them. No group or organization should have full say on how or what you and I wish to participate in. I have been raised to believe that as long as I provide for my family without cheating,hurting and stealing from another person I can be called a man. Now how I choose to go about this is my decision and mines alone.

As for the ASPCA and HSUS I think their doing some good in providing for lost and poorly cared for animals. I strongly think they should look at the big picture as a whole though. All they did was make criminals of good people without giving them an outlet to survive and provide some means of income. Do I think they shouldve been responsible for them I say yes. Your gonna tell them how to live then show and give them the proper means. Not treat them as outcast's,we are americans.
Really ?!?!

Tucker, GA

#67 Apr 5, 2013
Both should be illegal !!

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