Excessive force in Montague Co.

Stoneburg wrote:

I believe 14 rounds is excessive, even if Wheeler did shoot first.One or two rounds would have been enough to take him down.I know from now on when I see a Montague Co.cop I'll be thinking is this guy gonna start spraying lead or what???????

How do you know how many rounds it takes to "take" someone down. This is not a good situation for anyone involved and you should not second guess what a trained officer does when he is being shot with a shotgun. If someone shot you would you only shoot once and hope that you hit the person shooting at you? No you just sit home and write dumb things about stuff you don't know anything about.

Bulldog

Nocona, TX

Stoneburg wrote:

I believe 14 rounds is excessive, even if Wheeler did shoot first.One or two rounds would have been enough to take him down.I know from now on when I see a Montague Co.cop I'll be thinking is this guy gonna start spraying lead or what???????

I bet if you shoot at him/her they will "spray lead" as you call it. Its obvious by your statment that you have no idea of what goes on in the real world. Before you make such an moronic statement do a little reasearch. Just to give you an idea of how the human body works, I am not sure how long ago, but a manager of a pizza hut had closed the store and someone knocked on the door just after closing time and told him they had left thier wallet in a booth. As the mgr opened the door the guy raised a sawed off double barreled shotgun. The mgr then closed the door with the gun between the door and the jam. The suspect fired both barrels striking the mgr in the chest. The mgr had so much adrenaline flowing through his system, he was able to close the door, locket it, and call in his own murder on 911, and give the operator a description of the suspect, this is just one example of how the human body can function. Now tell me, with this info, would you fire 1 or 2 shots and hope it stopped the person or would you empty you gun to protect yourself?

Since: Jun 09

ISP: Whitney, TX

I don't see how stating they were shooting randomly in the dark is really helping their case, The Dad.

The Dad

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Really NotWoW wrote:

I don't see how stating they were shooting randomly in the dark is really helping their case, The Dad.

Where do you see that I said anything about shooting randomly in the dark? Have you ever fired a handgun in the dark, have you ever had to return fire while being fired upon and especially after being struck. You seem to have read more into my post than what I wrote. I want you to understand that unfortunately law enforcement officers are human and have only seconds to make decisions that others get to judge over the course of days or years. As I said, these officers reacted as they were trained to. No more no less. But the statement that they used excessive force is absurd. Take the time to research this and you will find that there are many officer involved shootings that end in more than 2 or 3 rounds fired. It is not fair to these officers to be accused of improper behavior when trying to protect the lives of innocent persons and trying to make it home safe to their own family. They lay their life on the line each and every day but make no mistake they are not intended to be used for target pracitce. When you go home each day from your work do you have to worry that some unstable person that you have ever dealt with, or may have never dealt with, might decide that today is the day that he is going to kill a cop. Whether on duty or off duty officers have to face these dangers and worry for their loved ones who might also be in danger just because of the officers chosen profession. Officers and their families deal with a lot of pressure and really don't need to be criticized by persons that don't understand the entire situation. Statements like the ones about excessive force affect the families of the officers as well. Please take this for what its worth and don't try to read more into it that there is. Law Enforcement officers do not enter this profession to shoot people or write tickets or even to take people to jail. Your average Peace Officer is just that, someone who wishes to dedicate their lives to serving others and keeping the peace. Lets show a little appreciation to these and all officers. Remember this "Blessed are the peacekeepers... For they shall be called the children of God." - Matthew 5:9

Since: Jun 09

ISP: Whitney, TX

The Dad wrote:

<quoted text>Where do you see that I said anything about shooting randomly in the dark?

"Also being in the dark the placement of your shots are not seen."

The Dad

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Really NotWoW wrote:

<quoted text> "Also being in the dark the placement of your shots are not seen."

Once again I ask have you ever fired a gun at night and under fire?

The Mom

The Dad wrote:

<quoted text>Once again I ask have you ever fired a gun at night and under fire?

A family member is a police officer and has been fired on at night. I would expect him to be able to do whatever is necessary to save his and other's lives.

The Dad

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The Mom wrote:

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A family member is a police officer and has been fired on at night. I would expect him to be able to do whatever is necessary to save his and other's lives.

Thank you, it appears that some on here dont see law enforcement as people with families. Only expendable wastes of existnece who can do nothng right.

Since: Jun 09

ISP: Trinity, TX

The Dad wrote:

Once again I ask have you ever fired a gun at night and under fire?

My apologies... normally I assume moronic questions like that are intended to be rhetorical.

No, I have not fired a gun at night.
No, I have not fired a gun while under fire.

Is that satisfactory, nitwit?

The Mom

Really NotWoW wrote:

<quoted text> My apologies... normally I assume moronic questions like that are intended to be rhetorical.
No, I have not fired a gun at night.
No, I have not fired a gun while under fire.
Is that satisfactory, nitwit?

Come on - let's agree to disagree without calling names.

Since: Jun 09

ISP: Trinity, TX

The Mom wrote:

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Come on - let's agree to disagree without calling names.

I'd rather not.

The Dad

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I am sure you have an opinion on how this situation should have been handled and Im sure your way would have been better. but lets remember YOU WERN'T THERE nor were any of us. So who are we to second guess what happened.

Since: Jun 09

ISP: Trinity, TX

The Dad wrote:

I am sure you have an opinion on how this situation should have been handled and Im sure your way would have been better. but lets remember YOU WERN'T THERE nor were any of us. So who are we to second guess what happened.

Your strategy is to just keep repeating yourself until everyone gets bored?

No zinger about my never having been shot at or being dumb enough to shoot in the dark? You were so dead set on my admitting that, you had to have some brilliant comeback in there somewhere... No? Just gonna repeat yourself again? Ok, it worked. I'm bored.

The Mom

It generally appears that when someone is really down on law enforcement it is that they have had involvement they were not happy with.

Hope this is not the case with you. Have a great day!

Since: Jun 09

ISP: Trinity, TX

With me?

I'm not down on law enforcement at all. I'm down on what claims to be law enforcement in Montague county.(aka the Meth capital of Texas)

Maybe this crew is better, but we thought the same for the last crew. That didn't exactly pan out, did it?

(You might also notice that nowhere did I say these guys were in the wrong.)

The Mom

Really NotWoW wrote:

With me?
I'm not down on law enforcement at all. I'm down on what claims to be law enforcement in Montague county.(aka the Meth capital of Texas)
Maybe this crew is better, but we thought the same for the last crew. That didn't exactly pan out, did it?
(You might also notice that nowhere did I say these guys were in the wrong.)

I completely agree with you in some respects. The last administration was a joke, but must say I never expected anything good from that sheriff.

Bulldog

Nocona, TX

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If you people really wanted a good Sheriff's Office then you would try and do something about it. Instead of bad mouthing the men and women of the Sheriff's Office how about getting involved. Go to the commisioners court and see what's going on with your tax dollars. The city of Bowie has twice as many patrol officers plus 4 investigators, and cover approx 3.8 miles and 5500 people. The Sheriff's Office cover approx 930 square miles and 19000 people with 6 patrol deputies, chief deputy, and the Sheriff, and no investigators. They have little equip to work with and most of what they do have is old and in poor shape. If you are really that concerned then get involved and go to commisioners court and make you voice heard. I promise that your commisioner or county judge does not care about what is posted on here. But if the people of this county would come together and get the funding for more deputies and better equip then I am sure Sheriff Cunningham could build a Sheriff's Office that we all could be proud of. If we continue to sit here and do nothing but complain, then I guess we all will keep repeating ourselves and making everyone very bored.

Since: Jun 09