Red-light cameras set to debut in dow...

Red-light cameras set to debut in downtown San Rafael

There are 135 comments on the Marin Independent Journal story from Aug 17, 2009, titled Red-light cameras set to debut in downtown San Rafael. In it, Marin Independent Journal reports that:

Traffic engineers are poised to install photo-enforcement cameras on city streets - making San Rafael the first city in Marin to install the devices aimed at catching red-light runners in the act.

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Amy

Los Gatos, CA

#122 Dec 23, 2009
Pulipaca wrote:
<quoted text>The DMV does not have anything to do with traffic signal timing. There is a federal standard code book called the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices (the M.U.T.C.D).
That has standards for everything concerning transportation in this country including, signage, construction, railroad preemption, traffic signals, roadway lighting and more. Also the companies that sell the camera systems are not qualified or authorized to adjust traffic signal timing, that is done by traffic engineers only.
Where would one find a record of the laws concerning how long the yellow should be at any given traffic light?

Since: Feb 08

Hana, HI

#123 Dec 23, 2009
Amy wrote:
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Where would one find a record of the laws concerning how long the yellow should be at any given traffic light?
In the M.U.T.C.D.
If I remember correctly, it is 3.3 seconds minimum, but that could of changed since I left traffic operations or my memory could be wrong.

“I like mexican food a LOT”

Since: Dec 08

Various Cities in Marin County

#124 Dec 23, 2009
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21455_...

Automated Enforcement Systems: Minimum Yellow Light Change Interval
21455.7.(a) At an intersection at which there is an automated enforcement system in operation, the minimum yellow light change interval shall be established in accordance with the Traffic Manual of the Department of Transportation.

(b) For purposes of subdivision (a), the minimum yellow light change intervals relating to designated approach speeds provided in the Traffic Manual of the Department of Transportation are mandatory minimum yellow light intervals.

(c) A yellow light change interval may exceed the minimum interval established pursuant to subdivision (a).

http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/kno_2009.htm
See section 4D.26

03 The duration of the yellow change interval shall be determined using engineering practices.

Guidance:
14 A yellow change interval should have a minimum duration of 3 seconds and a maximum duration of 6 seconds. The longer intervals should be reserved for use on approaches with higher speeds.
Amy wrote:
<quoted text>
Where would one find a record of the laws concerning how long the yellow should be at any given traffic light?
ded

San Leandro, CA

#125 Dec 23, 2009
KBS-972 wrote:
<quoted text>As a certified traffic signal technician, I will tell you that "they" don't shorten the yellow time for any reason. It's all about perception on your part. Due to tort liability public traffic agencies have been sued upside and down by crafty lawyers and are extremely careful not to create any situation with signal timing that would increase accidents. It is the traffic engineering (signal timing dept.) that is in charge of setting timing, and they are the ones who are responsible. The Police dept is only authorized to put an intersection on flash/all red, they can't mess with the timing because they are not authorized to, they are just cops, not engineers !
How about increasing accidents Slick? I've definitely slammed on my brakes--something I'm
not proud of, but I really can't afford a $400 ticket.
sa pd fines

San Leandro, CA

#126 Dec 23, 2009
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
But you want big brother to ignore the constitution and provide socialized health care. You are too much! Whole Foods rules.
Hay Chief, I guess you were asleep in Civics class? Look up the Eight amendment--look at
all of them--and honestly ask yourself if $400 tickets are what are forefathers wanted?

“I like mexican food a LOT”

Since: Dec 08

Various Cities in Marin County

#127 Dec 23, 2009
Those cameras do increase rear end collissions, NOBODY is disputing this... NOBODY that has done any data collection has ever disputed that these cameras cause more rear end collissions.

BUT, what you fail to recognize is that these traffic lights have also been proven to reduce right angle collissions... T-Bones.

Right angle collissions have a higher injury ratio... so while increasing rear end collissions, T-bones are reduced... when all is said and done, studies have showed that if placed in innersections that are prone to T-Bone collissions, the net still works out increasing overall safety.

The question we should be asking is "how many right angle collissions happened in these innersections prior to the lights?"... if the number is small, then these are nothing more then revenue generators... but if the number is not small.... then bite the bullet if you get nailed and realize that saving lives is more important then red light runners saving $500.
ded wrote:
<quoted text>
How about increasing accidents Slick? I've definitely slammed on my brakes--something I'm
not proud of, but I really can't afford a $400 ticket.
I_M_Disgusted

Mill Valley, CA

#128 Dec 23, 2009
gldkarma wrote:
The problem w/red light cameras is the timing of the yellow light. Amy's statement about this above is no doubt correct--the companies set them shorter than what is mandated by law for the speed of the street to increase revenue. Check the DMV regulations, then time the light. The City needs to monitor this to make sure it complies.
Yes, the companies and their co-conspirators (our 'representatives') set the yellows shorter in order to boost revenue (and of course, danger...) CALIFORNIA LAW STATES THAT 3 SECONDS IS THE MINIMUM YELLOW-LIGHT TIME IN A 25MPH ZONE.

However, that is exactly what the 3rd street light was set for when I checked it in late October... quite literally 3.01 seconds!
carol

San Rafael, CA

#129 Jul 13, 2011
SANFORD GOSSMAN wrote:
(I live in San Rafael.)
All MARIN DRIVERS TAKE NOTE: Before I “retired” I had many enjoyable experiences using traffic commissioners and judges to help entertain myself while exposing the ineptitude of local law-enforcement officers...such as those who ask to see your registration when the law requires them to LOOK FOR IT! And those who ask to see ”proof of insurance” before they issue a citation for something UNnrelated, as REQUIRED by the LAW! This new tactic is too much for me to resist. My e-mail address is sigossman@earthlink.net. Put it with your drivers license. If you are issued a ticket that is prosecuted by “who knows who” using machine-gathered evidence alone and want to contest it, please contact me. I’ll help you fight it and we’ll both have a lot of fun in the process.
As always: drive carefully and safely!
I was given a citation for not stopping on a red light, when the light turned yellow I had already drove passed the crosswalk, it turned red before I got to the other side. I was told not to argue, so I obeyed but feel the ticket was not justified. any advise?
carol

San Rafael, CA

#130 Jul 13, 2011
I was given a citation for not stopping on a red light, when the light turned yellow I had already drove passed the crosswalk, it turned red before I got to the other side. I was told not to argue, so I obeyed but feel the ticket was not justified. any advise?

Since: Sep 08

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#131 Jul 13, 2011
^Gloop.

“If I make it till tomorrow ”

Since: Nov 10

noon, I'm leaving...

#132 Jul 13, 2011
Book Em Danno wrote:
<quoted text>There are two crosswalks on Third between Linoln and A St that are accidents just waiting to happen. There are three lanes of traffic, and two might be stopped for a pedestrian. Meanwhile, some guy in the third lane is not paying attention, barreling right through. I was guilty of that myself once. What they need is those blinking lights built into the crosswalk...
This is me three aliases ago. Making a somewhat serious comment about a local issue. Back when it was the IJ. And, every now and then people would say something halfway intelligent. Before we escaped and formed our own little band of misfits and rejects over here at Topix. You big poopy headed meanie.

“If I make it till tomorrow ”

Since: Nov 10

noon, I'm leaving...

#133 Jul 13, 2011
Gloop.^^^

“Taste great in milk!”

Since: Aug 08

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#134 Jul 13, 2011
The Gloop wrote:
^Gloop.
I think there's laws against that, don't think that it has'nt crossed My mind though.

“If I make it till tomorrow ”

Since: Nov 10

noon, I'm leaving...

#135 Jul 14, 2011
uNK???

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#136 Jul 14, 2011
Commander Bunny wrote:
<quoted text>I think there's laws against that, don't think that it has'nt crossed My mind though.
i had a real good gloop this morning

felt wonderful getting all that gloop out

made a mess in the toilet though

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