North Pole may have no ice this summe...

North Pole may have no ice this summer: scientist

There are 42 comments on the Canada.com story from Jun 28, 2008, titled North Pole may have no ice this summer: scientist. In it, Canada.com reports that:

There could briefly be no ice at the North Pole this summer, a US scientist said Friday, an event that would mark a new stage in the melting of the Arctic ice sheets due to global warming.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#21 Sep 22, 2009
Gord wrote:
I can't be bothered. Your crap has never made much sense. It isn't even amusing which might make it worth reading even then.
Earthling

Spain

#22 Sep 22, 2009
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
I can't be bothered.
Good attitude, you just sit there making weird, unsubstantiated claims, it what you're good at.
truthist

Zephyrhills, FL

#23 Sep 22, 2009
Earthling wrote:
<quoted text> you just sit there making weird, unsubstantiated claims,
You are describing what you do. You make weird, unsubstantiated claims at each thread against the people you disagree with. 24/7.
Earthling wrote:
it what you're good at.
This is poor language. Learn some English.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#24 Sep 22, 2009
Earthling wrote:
<quoted text>Good attitude, you just sit there making weird, unsubstantiated claims, it what you're good at.
Defining science as 'weird unsubstantiated claims' is even more silly than Gords pseudo physics. And no. I don't have to rush around since the climate science doesn't change, certainly not recently. Facts are facts and if you don't like that, too bad. Scurrying around trying one line after another doesn't make you look 'credible' or 'smart'. It makes you look like a headless chicken.
Earthling

Almería, Spain

#25 Sep 22, 2009
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Defining science as 'weird unsubstantiated claims' is even more silly than Gords pseudo physics. And no. I don't have to rush around since the climate science doesn't change, certainly not recently.
Knowing how much you dislike going off topic, may I remind you that my question was with reference to this thread, "North Pole may have no ice this summer: scientist."
Mine was hardly a science question, wouldn't you agree?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#26 Sep 22, 2009
Earthling wrote:
<quoted text>
Mine was hardly a science question, wouldn't you agree?
Science includes the odds that the North Pole will be 'ice free' in any given year, so you can't escape science because you can't escape facts or reality.

Of course, you could talk about something non-factual such as politics or religion, or your delusions, but you should move to the appropriate thread.
YouHelpFixIt

Scottsdale, AZ

#27 Sep 22, 2009
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Science includes the odds that the North Pole will be 'ice free' in any given year, so you can't escape science because you can't escape facts or reality.
Of course, you could talk about something non-factual such as politics or religion, or your delusions, but you should move to the appropriate thread.
Clearly last year did not qualify. The article had estimates of 50% chance for 2008.

Neither did this year. Did the odds change? If so, they must not have been based on long term trends ans sufficent data. Perhaps they were just making crazy predictions based on a perceived trend in the recent 'noise'.

So what do you think the odds are for next year?

So far, I would advise you not to go to Vegas or Atlantic City.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#28 Sep 22, 2009
YouHelpFixIt wrote:
<quoted text>
Clearly last year did not qualify.
As last year is in the past, we can define the outcome rather than the odds.
YouHelpFixIt wrote:
<quoted text>
The article had estimates of 50% chance for 2008.
Yes. Before the roll of the dice, odds apply.
YouHelpFixIt wrote:
<quoted text>
Neither did this year. Did the odds change?
Odds are just that. Odds. After the dice finish rolling, the odds of the actual outcome are 100% no matter how unlikely it was BEFORE the roll.

As to gambling, your understanding of odds and statistics seems to indicate that you have very little chance of gettting out of Atlantic city with your pants on..
YouHelpFixIt

Scottsdale, AZ

#29 Sep 22, 2009
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
As last year is in the past, we can define the outcome rather than the odds.
<quoted text>
Yes. Before the roll of the dice, odds apply.
<quoted text>
Odds are just that. Odds. After the dice finish rolling, the odds of the actual outcome are 100% no matter how unlikely it was BEFORE the roll.
As to gambling, your understanding of odds and statistics seems to indicate that you have very little chance of gettting out of Atlantic city with your pants on..
Last year was in the past, but this article is from last year also. So it counts, and you are now 0-2. Perhaps you may want to rethink the assumption that 50% are the correct odds (did you take that as a fact without proof because someone told you what you wanted to hear).

Care to double down for next year?
dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#30 Sep 22, 2009
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
No story. The north pole is often ice free.
Um'k.... N. pole is often ice free yousay?
I also was once told that there is no need for carbon dioxide.

Please keep these "facts" coming... They may be worth collecting for a later topix thread.
dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#31 Sep 22, 2009
OK...I read this article.
"Serreze put the chances of this occurring at 50 percent"
A 50% chance is a safe prediction.
Scientifically stated this prognostication is claiming the north pole may or may not be covered in ice in the summer of 2008.
Wow. Talk about going out on a limb.
Someone thought this worthy of being published?

There is a 50% chance that 50% of the readers are
going to be alarmed by 50% of this report, scientifically speaking.

There is also a 50% chance that 50% of the posts on the first 50% of this thread will belittle 50% of those who criticize more than 50% of the content of the article.

Now I will be the first one to admit I was wrong about my predictions if they do not come true... oh wait, statistically no matter what the outcome my predictions are 100% accurate.

Jeez, I,m gonna change careers to become a meteorologist or climatologist.
Earthling

Spain

#32 Sep 23, 2009
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Science includes the odds that the North Pole will be 'ice free' in any given year, so you can't escape science because you can't escape facts or reality.
So science has turned to predicting odds, but isn't interested in gravity and considers CO2 not vital for life?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#33 Sep 23, 2009
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
Um'k.... N. pole is often ice free yousay?
Absolutely. And when it happens, due to ocean currents pulling the ice around, it is ususally not even recorded.

In other words, a meaningless trivia, not indicative of the state of the Arctic.
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
I also was once told that there is no need for carbon dioxide.
As a 'waste product' to be recycled into oxygen it is needed or we couldn't have a 'nutrient cycle'. But it isn't vital AS CO2.
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
Please keep these "facts" coming... They may be worth collecting for a later topix thread.
On how one poster can keep putting out thoughtful and valid points that are not 'conventional thought' aka 'the herd mentality' and how so many topic trolls can then post the mythology and ideology in response?

“It's winter again.”

Since: May 07

Anywhere I hang my hat.

#34 Jan 11, 2010
Earthling wrote:
<quoted text>Good attitude, you just sit there making weird, unsubstantiated claims, it what you're good at.
LessHype wrote: "I can't be bothered. Your crap has never made much sense. It isn't even amusing which might make it worth reading even then"

Nothing weird about that. Gord's posts are crap and not worth the time. Any serious septic could see that. Only determined and blind deniers love Gord. I think hanging around with deniers is starting to rot your mind.
Mr Giblets

Birmingham, UK

#35 Jan 11, 2010
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I was talking aobut ice free, but if you want to talk about ice free, we can do that too..
so if, according to you, being Ice-Free is nothing really, why is Gore so excited and saying it won't have Summer Ice in 5 years? according to you, it doesn't even have Winter Ice! are you feeling all right?
Mr Giblets

Birmingham, UK

#36 Jan 11, 2010
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
As last year is in the past, we can define the outcome rather than the odds.
<quoted text>
Yes. Before the roll of the dice, odds apply.
<quoted text>
Odds are just that. Odds. After the dice finish rolling, the odds of the actual outcome are 100% no matter how unlikely it was BEFORE the roll.
As to gambling, your understanding of odds and statistics seems to indicate that you have very little chance of gettting out of Atlantic city with your pants on..
I think you are seriously muddled. Weather is caused by certain effects, not random rolls of dice. BUT you and the warmies are predicting future climate on things that you don't even know HAVE effects. And probability only counts as you described it at the quantum level.
BUT let's take your word for it - according to Gore, the sea might rise 222ft in the next 10 years, or it might not. That sounds like typical warmie science.

“It's winter again.”

Since: May 07

Anywhere I hang my hat.

#37 Jan 13, 2010
Mr Giblets wrote:
<quoted text>...BUT let's take your word for it - according to Gore, the sea might rise 222ft in the next 10 years, or it might not. That sounds like typical warmie science.
Where did you find that nonsense? If you have a real quote, I'd like to see it in context... or did you just make it up?
Earthling

Hellín, Spain

#38 Jan 13, 2010
Mr Giblets has quoted a media misquote that was later retracted.
I didn't hear whether or not Fat Al retracted his faux pas of Earth's core being millions of degrees though.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#39 Jan 13, 2010
"Scientists" wrong with another forecast. When will we learn they are as accurate as bone casters?

Climate is an immense, chaotic and complex system that defies forecast. We don't know the original state, we can only guess.
Earthling

Spain

#40 Jul 10, 2013
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
No story. The north pole is often ice free.
Arctic Nearly Free of Summer Sea Ice During First Half of 21st Century, Experts Predict

Apr. 12, 2013 — For scientists studying summer sea ice in the Arctic, it's not a question of "if" there will be nearly ice-free summers, but "when." And two scientists say that "when" is sooner than many thought -- before 2050 and possibly within the next decade or two.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/...

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