JonBenet Ramsey's father tried to 'sh...

JonBenet Ramsey's father tried to 'shield' son after murder

There are 45 comments on the New York Daily News story from Nov 5, 2015, titled JonBenet Ramsey's father tried to 'shield' son after murder. In it, New York Daily News reports that:

John and Patrica Ramsey, parents of slain 6-year-old pageant princess JonBenet Ramsey, are pictured here with son Burke in 1993. JonBenet Ramsey's father did everything he could but failed to keep his young son from finding out he was accused in his beauty queen sister's high-profile slaying, he said in a new interview.

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“rootlesswriting@ gmail.com ”

Since: Jul 15

The Grit

#2 Nov 9, 2015
moonjack wrote:
Too bad John Ramsey didn't try to shield the two youngest Ramsey children from being habitually molested. Jonbenet's autopsy showed she had been molested for quite some time with significant changes to the anatomy. Burke was in such distress years before Jonbenet's death he didn't use a toilet for bowel movements. The dysfunction was ripe for him to be the most likely candidate to clobber his little sister in anger and rage.
You are speaking of a possibility that was looked into with zero evidence found as dogma. Even Webshills admits there is no certifiable proof of prior molestation.
Sig Turner

Haddonfield, NJ

#5 Nov 9, 2015
moonjack wrote:
The only 'certifiable' proof of molestation in a child is a positive test result for pregnancy or a STD or the verbal affirmation of the victim. Since dead children can't speak we have to look at the autopsy findings which indeed showed significant structural changes to Jonbenet's female anatomy.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.p...
Actually Websleuths forum gives a finding of 86% towards prior abuse and molestation.
Considering how shamelessly biased WS is regarding this case, anything less than 100% should be an indication of how weak your case actually is.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#6 Nov 9, 2015
Why are posters even bothering with this fluff, that the media lazily picked up?
Walters doesn't know anything about Burke in this case, and she could not formulate a decent question to anything Ramsey said regarding him, or anything else. She doesn't know about the feces smeared box of chocolates found in this case. She doesn't know Burke had smeared feces on the wall in the bathroom before. She doesn't know about the wide smile Burke had a couple of days after the murder of his sister, in contrast to the looks on his parents faces. She doesn't know Burke has a completely different story than that of his parents about that night, in that he said JonBenet was AWAKE when they got home from the Whites and WALKED UP THE STAIRS to her bedroom, FOLLOWED BY PATSY. She doesn't know that Burke his JonBenet in the face with a golf club.

She doesn't know about the Ramseys, including John Ramsey, being hand in glove with the tabloids for MEGA BUCKS that he hypocritically trashes. Anyone could do a better job, which is why the Scams don't go near anyone that knows this case, and can't be buffaloed by them.

John Ramsey deliberately chose her, knowing she doesn't know a damn thing, won't do any homework, and doesn't even have the curiosity to find out wny ANYONE would suspect Burke.

“rootlesswriting@ gmail.com ”

Since: Jul 15

The Grit

#7 Nov 9, 2015
candy wrote:
Why are posters even bothering with this fluff, that the media lazily picked up?
Walters doesn't know anything about Burke in this case, and she could not formulate a decent question to anything Ramsey said regarding him, or anything else. She doesn't know about the feces smeared box of chocolates found in this case. She doesn't know Burke had smeared feces on the wall in the bathroom before. She doesn't know about the wide smile Burke had a couple of days after the murder of his sister, in contrast to the looks on his parents faces. She doesn't know Burke has a completely different story than that of his parents about that night, in that he said JonBenet was AWAKE when they got home from the Whites and WALKED UP THE STAIRS to her bedroom, FOLLOWED BY PATSY. She doesn't know that Burke his JonBenet in the face with a golf club.
She doesn't know about the Ramseys, including John Ramsey, being hand in glove with the tabloids for MEGA BUCKS that he hypocritically trashes. Anyone could do a better job, which is why the Scams don't go near anyone that knows this case, and can't be buffaloed by them.
John Ramsey deliberately chose her, knowing she doesn't know a damn thing, won't do any homework, and doesn't even have the curiosity to find out wny ANYONE would suspect Burke.
What's with all the poop references, are you studying fecal forensics? I can't believe this tripe regurgitated by RDI sometimes...
Anti K

Dawson Creek, Canada

#8 Nov 9, 2015
MakeTheArrest wrote:
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What's with all the poop references, are you studying fecal forensics? I can't believe this tripe regurgitated by RDI sometimes...
Candy be FULL of sh*t. that shoul danswer your question.
...

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Steve Eller

Brooklyn, NY

#9 Nov 9, 2015
candy wrote:
Why are posters even bothering with this fluff, that the media lazily picked up?
Walters doesn't know anything about Burke in this case, and she could not formulate a decent question to anything Ramsey said regarding him, or anything else. She doesn't know about the feces smeared box of chocolates found in this case. She doesn't know Burke had smeared feces on the wall in the bathroom before. She doesn't know about the wide smile Burke had a couple of days after the murder of his sister, in contrast to the looks on his parents faces. She doesn't know Burke has a completely different story than that of his parents about that night, in that he said JonBenet was AWAKE when they got home from the Whites and WALKED UP THE STAIRS to her bedroom, FOLLOWED BY PATSY. She doesn't know that Burke his JonBenet in the face with a golf club.
She doesn't know about the Ramseys, including John Ramsey, being hand in glove with the tabloids for MEGA BUCKS that he hypocritically trashes. Anyone could do a better job, which is why the Scams don't go near anyone that knows this case, and can't be buffaloed by them.
John Ramsey deliberately chose her, knowing she doesn't know a damn thing, won't do any homework, and doesn't even have the curiosity to find out wny ANYONE would suspect Burke.
John Ramsey must be getting ready to try and sell a new book. No surprise that he'll speak to Barbara Walters but not the Police. Cue to all the Ramsey Apologists to start bloviating with all of their tumid excuses about why John Ramseys has been avoiding the Police more carefully than a crime boss wanted for questioning...
Rangette

Round Rock, TX

#10 Nov 16, 2015
I had read recently that BW was acting strange like maybe dementia is setting in. That she could do an interview with anyone at her age is a shock.
berrytea333

Saint Louis, MO

#11 Nov 16, 2015
Rangette wrote:
*snip*That she could do an interview with anyone at her age is a shock.
Ageist.
robert

Yellowknife, Canada

#12 Dec 2, 2015
Over on DocG s site its heavy with a John Ramsey Did It theme . More power to tho s who can see through him.
Anti K

Dawson Creek, Canada

#13 Dec 4, 2015
robert wrote:
Over on DocG s site its heavy with a John Ramsey Did It theme . More power to tho s who can see through him.
yeah, most people see through docg’s nonsense without any problem, doc actually proves IDI, but he’s too stupid to realize it. this is the reason that he always starts by trying to eliminate ALL possibility of IDI, because as long as there is a possibility of IDI, his logic lead to it.


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Uppercrust

Greenville, IN

#14 Dec 5, 2015
MakeTheArrest wrote:
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You are speaking of a possibility that was looked into with zero evidence found as dogma. Even Webshills admits there is no certifiable proof of prior molestation.
Hey Captain Cop, what about the knife used to cut the rope that was in the clean linen closet hidden upstairs, or the clean blanket in the dryer used to wrap JB up, or the 2.5 pg ransom note from the Ramsey house in Peeerty Pats handwriting....I want to hear your vindicate her again so I can laugh at your lack of common sense, or better yet....please tell us all how the DNA tests cleared the Ramseys...you know, the same DNA test that had all them Asian factory workers dirty little finger prints on.

“rootlesswriting@ gmail.com ”

Since: Jul 15

The Grit

#15 Dec 5, 2015
Uppercrust wrote:
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Hey Captain Cop, what about the knife used to cut the rope that was in the clean linen closet hidden upstairs, or the clean blanket in the dryer used to wrap JB up, or the 2.5 pg ransom note from the Ramsey house in Peeerty Pats handwriting....I want to hear your vindicate her again so I can laugh at your lack of common sense, or better yet....please tell us all how the DNA tests cleared the Ramseys...you know, the same DNA test that had all them Asian factory workers dirty little finger prints on.
Book writing Linda Pugh Hoffman? Anything that sleazeball says is of no importance. This so called blanket, did she not realize JBR was already wrapped in a blanket? Silly housekeeper, drugs are bad mmkay.

The ransom note being Patsys handwriting is highly unlikely. I have looked at evaluations from 5 separate hand writing experts, and the only thing I gather is she could not be eliminated. John Mark Karr scored higher on a handwriting test than Patsy.

Besides the fact that the DNA has been substantiated from a white male, and besides the fact that the same DNA was found on two articles of clothing, the location of the DNA and how it was found left no doubt in the mind of criminologists and forensic analysts alike. There was no innocent explanation. Your witch hunt is just that. It is sad you wasted your life pursuing a ghost that does not exist, turning a blind eye to the very real ghost who does. The intruder that committed this crime.

Your circumstantial evidence pales in comparison to mine, mine includes all known aspects of the crime. It ties it to a criminal who writing a 2.5 page letter wouldn't even be the longest he had written. A suspect who killed someone 20 years to the date earlier. The evidence I've put forth is damning, but your blinders are on so you can never see it. A shame, really. For people claiming to be such great sleuths and fancying themselves as the internet detectives of this case, you forgot the most crucial rule to the game. Stay unbiased and never make your mind up. Try to make the case fit the facts, don't try to make the facts fit your case.

I spend most of my free time studying. Ripping on a grieving family with the help of my online Lynch mob is not how I waste my days. I study documents released by FBI, I study other murders and tactics. I study mafia hitters and unsolved murders. I study mastermind criminals and what brings them down. I study different mental disorders related to crime and myths of crime. I am always learning and growing. I get better each and every day. You repeat the same story you have for years. A story of nonsense and improper viewing of the facts.
berrytea333

Saint Louis, MO

#16 Dec 6, 2015
Uppercrust wrote:
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Hey Captain Cop, what about the knife used to cut the rope that was in the clean linen closet hidden upstairs, or the clean blanket in the dryer used to wrap JB up, or the 2.5 pg ransom note from the Ramsey house in Peeerty Pats handwriting....I want to hear your vindicate her again so I can laugh at your lack of common sense, or better yet....please tell us all how the DNA tests cleared the Ramseys...you know, the same DNA test that had all them Asian factory workers dirty little finger prints on.
There was also a grapefruit knife found on the counter under that cabinet in the second floor laundry area. In one of her interviews, Patsy called attention to something yellow (pineapple?) on the blade. Also, this knife had always been in the kitchen. This makes me think that this knife was used to slice the cord. The Swiss army knife was reported to have had sticky material (tape?) on its blade. I believe the grapefruit knife was retrieved from the first floor kitchen, taken to the basement, then taken back upstairs to the second floor bypassing the kitchen on the first. It was temporarily placed on JonBenet's bed where cord fibers were deposited. The knife was then taken to the laundry area, placed on the counter, and the Swiss army knife was retrieved from the cabinet.
Sig Turner

Haddonfield, NJ

#17 Dec 6, 2015
berrytea333 wrote:
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There was also a grapefruit knife found on the counter under that cabinet in the second floor laundry area. In one of her interviews, Patsy called attention to something yellow (pineapple?) on the blade. Also, this knife had always been in the kitchen. This makes me think that this knife was used to slice the cord. The Swiss army knife was reported to have had sticky material (tape?) on its blade. I believe the grapefruit knife was retrieved from the first floor kitchen, taken to the basement, then taken back upstairs to the second floor bypassing the kitchen on the first. It was temporarily placed on JonBenet's bed where cord fibers were deposited. The knife was then taken to the laundry area, placed on the counter, and the Swiss army knife was retrieved from the cabinet.
...or not.

Nearly everything you said amounts to little more than wild conjecture in support of no apparent conclusion whatsoever. Why did you even bother posting it?
berrytea333

Saint Louis, MO

#18 Dec 6, 2015
MakeTheArrest wrote:
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*snip*
The ransom note being Patsys handwriting is highly unlikely. I have looked at evaluations from 5 separate hand writing experts, and the only thing I gather is she could not be eliminated. John Mark Karr scored higher on a handwriting test than Patsy.
Source?
MakeTheArrest wrote:
Besides the fact that the DNA has been substantiated from a white male, and besides the fact that the same DNA was found on two articles of clothing, the location of the DNA and how it was found left no doubt in the mind of criminologists and forensic analysts alike. There was no innocent explanation.*snip*
There were three male guests at Fleet White's Christmas party: Mr Brown (Priscilla's father), Bill Cox (husband of Priscilla's niece), and Cliff Gaston (boyfriend of Priscilla's sister). I don't recall seeing anything regarding DNA samples having been taken from these individuals.

So, we're talking about saliva here. What do quite a few men do? They spit on the ground. I think it's physically possible for Patsy to have inadvertently stepped on the saliva of one of these individual's or perhaps on that of some random stranger's. This saliva, now on the soles of her boots, is transferred to the basement rug. Possibly whatever material JonBenet was wiped down with after it had been run under water had been set down on the rug thus picking up the saliva.
Sig Turner

Haddonfield, NJ

#19 Dec 6, 2015
berrytea333 wrote:
I don't recall seeing anything regarding DNA samples having been taken from these individuals.
The unidentified DNA merely adds to the reasonable doubt regarding any Ramsey culpability. Even if the issue of the unidentified DNA is excluded from the argument, the case for Ramsey culpability is still abysmally weak. This is the point that the wacky RDI Cult cannot seem to comprehend.
Uppercrust

Greenville, IN

#20 Dec 6, 2015
Or what about Patsy&#347; friend, who made Jonbenet&#347; costumes....Patsy was laying down and put her hands on her face and asked her some silly questions...including telling her that they didnt mean for it to get out of hand. I guess that didnt happen either did it...
Uppercrust

Greenville, IN

#21 Dec 6, 2015
Or the underwear JB was wearing that were too big. Patsy said she had never seen those underwear before...u know, the same undies Jb was wearing when she was found dead. With some detective work and credit card receipts, it was found that Patsy bought those underwear months earlier for her niece who is a few years older than JB. Lie after lie is all that woman told. Her fucking kid is laying dead and all she does is lie....but she isnt guilty, no sir.

“rootlesswriting@ gmail.com ”

Since: Jul 15

The Grit

#22 Dec 6, 2015
Uppercrust wrote:
Or the underwear JB was wearing that were too big. Patsy said she had never seen those underwear before...u know, the same undies Jb was wearing when she was found dead. With some detective work and credit card receipts, it was found that Patsy bought those underwear months earlier for her niece who is a few years older than JB. Lie after lie is all that woman told. Her fucking kid is laying dead and all she does is lie....but she isnt guilty, no sir.
You don't even know the basics. She did know where that underwear came from. She stated she originally got it as a gift for someone else. Get a grip, buddy. You deny science, which came up with the conclusion of no innocent explanation. Unless you are a forensic scientist your I'll conceived beliefs that the DNA was from a factory worker (which location of DNA and cross mingling prove he was there that night) your RDI buddy claims that it could've been from the friends, through some transfer that never could've happened and undoubtedly was looked at by criminologists working with the forensic scientists and dismissed. They wrote exhaustive efforts, which means no stone was left unturned. They found no source.

Quit living in the stone age. You might've had a case during witch trials, but not now, not anymore. I posted nearly 20 reasons the OCCK committed this crime taking into account all known aspects of this crime. When time permits I will outline still more I have found.

“rootlesswriting@ gmail.com ”

Since: Jul 15

The Grit

#23 Dec 6, 2015
MakeTheArrest wrote:
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You don't even know the basics. She did know where that underwear came from. She stated she originally got it as a gift for someone else. Get a grip, buddy. You deny science, which came up with the conclusion of no innocent explanation. Unless you are a forensic scientist your I'll conceived beliefs that the DNA was from a factory worker (which location of DNA and cross mingling prove he was there that night) your RDI buddy claims that it could've been from the friends, through some transfer that never could've happened and undoubtedly was looked at by criminologists working with the forensic scientists and dismissed. They wrote exhaustive efforts, which means no stone was left unturned. They found no source.
Quit living in the stone age. You might've had a case during witch trials, but not now, not anymore. I posted nearly 20 reasons the OCCK committed this crime taking into account all known aspects of this crime. When time permits I will outline still more I have found.
And even with all of this I still consider alternative ideas. Something RDI proves their low IQ by continuing to push the same tired, discounted theory over and over with a couple variations, each more nonsensical than the next.

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