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Fleet, Priscilla White denied official Ramsey exoneration statement by DA

There are 200 comments on the Daily Camera story from Jan 24, 2014, titled Fleet, Priscilla White denied official Ramsey exoneration statement by DA. In it, Daily Camera reports that:

Boulder District Attorney Stan Garnett released a letter Friday showing he, too, had been pressed recently by acquaintances of John and Patsy Ramsey to issue a public statement exonerating them in JonBenet Ramsey's death, but that he declined to do so.

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#183 Jul 11, 2014
gotgum wrote:
Candy, I have to disagree with you on this one. The Whites aren't seeking anything in this suit but the remaining 14 pages of the GJ indictment which were withheld because the GJ didn't vote a True Bill on the other charges. Judge Lowenbach's ruling was that only the pages that were signed by the GJ Foreman were "official actions of the Grand Jury". But what he failed to account for is that the charges that were "No True Billed" are also signed by the Foreman in the appropriate space. Therefore the other charges that were not voted for by a majority of the GJ are still (by his definition) "official actions of the Grand Jury".
This action has nothing to do with the Krebs matter.
I disagree. The White's last letter to the DA, prompting his CORRECT reply of sophistry on their part, them circling back to the criminal justice records they want:

June 9, 2014

Stanley Garnett, District Attorney
Twentieth Judicial District
1777 Sixth Street
Boulder, Colorado 80302

Dear Mr. Garnett,

Thank you for your June 8, 2014 reply to our May 7, 2014 letter.

With regard to your statement that "we either do not have, or cannot legally disclose, any of the documents you seek""

1. Our January 31, 2014 letter contains a request, pursuant to C.R.S. 24-72-303 (2) and C.R.S. 24-72-304 (2) that you notify us in writing if your agency does not have custody and control of requested criminal justice records. Please now comply with these provisions of the law and immediately notify us as to the identities of such records, the reason for the absence of those records from your custody and control, and the identities of the criminal justice agency and person with custody and control thereof.

2> Please identify those criminal justice records that we seek which are in your custody and control, but that you "cannot legally disclose".

Please contact us with any questions regarding this request.

Sincerely,

Fleet Russell White Priscilla Brown White
candy

East Lansing, MI

#184 Jul 11, 2014
The fallacious argument of the Whites is: Because DA Garnett is the custodian of the records of the Ramsey case, according to them, HE CAN give up the criminal justice records they want. IN FACT, as both Deputy Finn and DA Garnett the custodian of the Ramsey case file, he and his office, CANNOT give up certain records requested by the Whites, as they are CRIMINAL JUSTICE RECORDS/GRAND JURY RECORDS IN AN OPEN HOMICIDE CASE, As Deputy Finn noted, AND FLEET DAMN WELL KNOWS, the DA could be charged with contempt of court for releasing ANY of that information.

How does Fleet know so much about that topic? WELL, if it's information Fleet wants COVERED UP, and it's released partially on line, like his COVERED UP TO THE MAX White depo from the Wolf case is, White asked Judge Carnes to charge Jameson with criminal contempt for posting part of it on line. More, next post.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#185 Jul 11, 2014
As Deputy Finn painstakingly noted in all his replies and on page 3`:

"p.31 Finn: Again, I'm sorry if you disagree with my interpretation of THE COURT'S ORDER. THE COURT HAD THE DISCRETION to disclose whatever it believed was subject to disclosure under applicable LAW. After hearing the portions of both sides and reviewing the submitted pages, IT WAS THE COURT, NOT THIS OFFICE, that had the final word, which is as it should be. It seems equally clear that WE ARE NOT FREE TO DISCLOSE MORE THAN THE COURT DEEMED APPROPRIATE. I believe we would be in CONTEMPT OF COURT if we were to CIRCUMVENT THE ORDER by disclosing additional materials TO YOU. For these reasons, and those set forth in the briefs and orders you already have, I'm afraid your request must be denied."

Who made the decision on what to release? THE JUDGE. Who are the Whites bringing this action against for grand jury materials, THE DEFENDANT , THE DA. They aren't even in the right place to be asking for this.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#186 Jul 11, 2014
The DA’s office is the custodian of the GJ records, and as such, has to be contacted first with a request for disclosure notwithstanding any other court order. White’s volley with the DA’s office was to get clarification on several issues that were required before he could go forward with any legal proceeding. The DA’s office was trying to avoid giving him that information. The issues addressed are covered in Colorado Statutes 24-72-301 through 305. Among other things, those statutes state:

“If the custodian denies access to any criminal justice record, the applicant may request a written statement of the grounds for the denial, which statement shall be provided to the applicant within seventy-two hours, shall cite the law or regulation under which access is denied or the general nature of the public interest to be protected by the denial, and shall be furnished forthwith to the applicant.”

This is what White was trying to get answered in his emails and letter. Also from the statutes:

“A grand jury indictment is a criminal justice record of official action presented in open court, the full release of which, save the identifying information of any alleged victims of sexual assault contained therein, is not contrary to public interest. People v. Thompson, 181 P.3d 1143 (Colo. 2008).

“The mere fact that an indictment contains detailed factual allegations that would otherwise be subject to grand jury secrecy does not warrant that the indictment be sealed. People v. Thompson, 181 P.3d 1143 (Colo. 2008).”

In Judge Lowenbach’s ruling, he states:

“Although the documents contain more pages prepared by the District Attorney, the only pages that are ‘official actions of’ the Grand Jury are those that are signed by the Foreman of the Grand Jury.”

What Lowenback neglected to take into account was that even the “No True Bills” are signed by the Foreman and should therefore be considered “official actions” by his own definition.

I don’t know why White is pursuing this line because the GJ indictment has nothing to do with his family. But neither does it have anything to do with the Krebs business. The only reason I can figure as to why he is doing this is to make it clear what the GJ was considering, which will cast suspicion away from him and his family.
Steve Eller

Bronx, NY

#187 Jul 12, 2014
The Whites have suffered extraordinarily in this case--more than most. I am not sure how I feel about their most recent lawsuit, but Boulder authorities have basically stated that this case is closed over and done with. It is highly unlikely that the perpetrators of this vile act will ever be bought to justice. As such, I would like to see as much information released about this case as possible.
P- Vance

Whitesboro, TX

#188 Jul 12, 2014
To justice they will be brought!
A 'copyist,' not hard to track, if you're on the right page.
Flashlight?
One left at the crime scene in 1977.
Note?
One left at the crime scene in 1977.
Felt-pen?
Used by killer in crime of 1977.
Body moved?
Body moved in 1977 murder case.
Use that good southern common sense of yours?
Trial transcript 1978.
Use that good common since of yours.(sic).
A good read... Sexual homicide.
One can see that the author of this murder has read that book!
The FBI said they had never heard of such a case like this! Really?
Maybe they should read their own book they published.
P- Vance

Whitesboro, TX

#189 Jul 12, 2014
The ransom note, the murder, and the crime scene has one persons name written all over it!

"The Copyist"

The note, another's work.
Murder, another's work.
Crime scene, another's work.

All patched together too look like one genius designed it!

My grandmother made a better guilt.
P- Vance

Whitesboro, TX

#190 Jul 12, 2014
Each patch piece leads right back to its original fabric.

Like grandma did.

This piece of shirt came from P.F.
That patch came from J.W.
That piece over there came from G. A.
Look at that, a piece of the murdered P.S. shirt here.
And even the murdered L.F. from 1977.
P- Vance

Whitesboro, TX

#191 Jul 12, 2014
A refresher course for the weak minded...

This case is not dead or closed!
Evidence is still out there.

If the right thread is pulled, all the patches will fall right into the lap!

P- Vance

Whitesboro, TX

#192 Jul 12, 2014
I think everyone agrees that this case is nothing more than a 'human interest' story,(JonBenet) and a Ramsey biography, with the people of Boulder as props.
Or is this about a boy (s.b.t.c) who turned killer?
candy

East Lansing, MI

#193 Jul 12, 2014
Steve Eller wrote:
The Whites have suffered extraordinarily in this case--more than most. I am not sure how I feel about their most recent lawsuit, but Boulder authorities have basically stated that this case is closed over and done with. It is highly unlikely that the perpetrators of this vile act will ever be bought to justice. As such, I would like to see as much information released about this case as possible.
The Whites aren't the only people to suffer greatly in this case. Chris Wolf suffered greatly in this case. Doc Miller was indicted and had to spend his life savings trying to defend himself. Fleet White didn't give a damn about either of those people. Ariana Pugh had a similarly false investigation against her. The Scams took advantage of A LOT of innocent people to throw under the bus. I have to marvel at the COLOSSAL HYPOCRISY of White trying to open information while at the same time COVERING UP TO THE MAX his depo from public scrutiny.

Once again, Fleet White lines up with John Ramsey in trying to shake loose information. OH WOULDN'T THE RAMSEYS LOVE TO KNOW that they couldn't agree on first degree murder, et. al. ALL THAT HELPS THE RAMSEYS. He also doesn't know what other information he would be HANDING OVER TO THEM IN AN OPEN CASE. The man is clueless to the phrase DO NO HARM. Do things need to be screwed up in this case more than they already are? I don't think so. Fleet is interested in what he wants, and doesn't give a damn about the case wide repercussions to his actions.

But this action won't get that far. I will FOR SURE be reporting on the disposition of this suit, like all the other ones, and maybe then, posters will get a clue about the Whites effectiveness in bringing these actions. They are already on the hook for legal fees with their last action - which almost never happens.
P- Vance

Whitesboro, TX

#194 Jul 12, 2014
1956
More patch work.
Or is it rewrite work?
The original.
I will call you tomorrow (thursday) at exactly 10 o'clock am.
1996... Copyist
I will call you tomorrow between 8 & 10 a.m.
Look up the word prepayment and see where it fits in the RNote.
I might call you early for a prepayment?
candy

East Lansing, MI

#195 Jul 12, 2014
This is the statute the other board and the Whites keep avoiding:

"They are NON DISCLOSABLE "criminal justice investigative files" pursuant to C.R.S. 24-72-305 (5). There are third party privacy interests that will be impacted by the disclosure of this information. Additionally, disclosure of this information may impact a pending BPD criminal investigation."
biz

Port Richey, FL

#196 Jul 14, 2014
candy wrote:
<quoted text>
The Whites aren't the only people to suffer greatly in this case. Chris Wolf suffered greatly in this case. Doc Miller was indicted and had to spend his life savings trying to defend himself. Fleet White didn't give a damn about either of those people. Ariana Pugh had a similarly false investigation against her. The Scams took advantage of A LOT of innocent people to throw under the bus. I have to marvel at the COLOSSAL HYPOCRISY of White trying to open information while at the same time COVERING UP TO THE MAX his depo from public scrutiny.
Once again, Fleet White lines up with John Ramsey in trying to shake loose information. OH WOULDN'T THE RAMSEYS LOVE TO KNOW that they couldn't agree on first degree murder, et. al. ALL THAT HELPS THE RAMSEYS. He also doesn't know what other information he would be HANDING OVER TO THEM IN AN OPEN CASE. The man is clueless to the phrase DO NO HARM. Do things need to be screwed up in this case more than they already are? I don't think so. Fleet is interested in what he wants, and doesn't give a damn about the case wide repercussions to his actions.
But this action won't get that far. I will FOR SURE be reporting on the disposition of this suit, like all the other ones, and maybe then, posters will get a clue about the Whites effectiveness in bringing these actions. They are already on the hook for legal fees with their last action - which almost never happens.
I believe you are spot on about FW reasons for the lawsuit. However, I have some comments about what you wrote here. John Ramsey said publicly if they release the grand jury's information they should release it ALL. He has nothing to hide. And at this late date it's obvious Boulder will not be solving the case. They have nothing to lose by releasing all of the documents. Also I feel no pity for Doc Miller and his "life savings". He stole an elderly woman's life savings and threw her in to a mental institution so he could take her home. She sued when she was released (she was NOT mentally ill AT ALL. She has a doctorate degree in literature) and sued him and won a $700K settlement. She got nothing because he put the house in Judith's name to avoid paying her. THAT WOMAN lost her life savings, NOT Doc Miller. He also had a history of putting client's and employees in mental institutions when they got too close to his shenanigans. He's a scum bag if you ask me.
Heloise

Cramlington, UK

#197 Jul 19, 2014
When it was clear that at least part of the indictment would be made public, the Ramseys, through Lin Wood, requested that everything connected with the Grand Jury be released so that the public could form a balanced opinion. They had to know that this wouldn't happen and I think their rationale for requesting it was very simple: they knew it made them look as they they had nothing to hide. It's a pretty common legal strategy.

However, they are now hoist on their own petard because they can't really object to Fleet White's request having made a much larger request themselves.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#198 Jul 19, 2014
Heloise wrote:
When it was clear that at least part of the indictment would be made public, the Ramseys, through Lin Wood, requested that everything connected with the Grand Jury be released so that the public could form a balanced opinion. They had to know that this wouldn't happen and I think their rationale for requesting it was very simple: they knew it made them look as they they had nothing to hide. It's a pretty common legal strategy.
However, they are now hoist on their own petard because they can't really object to Fleet White's request having made a much larger request themselves.
I think Wood never in a million years believed they would release ANY part of the records, so he advised his clients to do what they did which was to come out in favor of the release. Wood knew the investigations were tied together, and I believe the judge surprised even Wood this time! Serves him and the Ramseys right!
Steve Eller

Lawrence, MA

#200 Jul 19, 2014
Legal__Eagle wrote:
<quoted text>
I think Wood never in a million years believed they would release ANY part of the records, so he advised his clients to do what they did which was to come out in favor of the release. Wood knew the investigations were tied together, and I believe the judge surprised even Wood this time! Serves him and the Ramseys right!
While it is probably wishful thinking, hopefully the gradual release of ALL of the evidence will put to rest for once and for all the desperate preposterous scenarios of the Ramsey Apologists.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#201 Jul 19, 2014
Steve Eller wrote:
<quoted text>
While it is probably wishful thinking, hopefully the gradual release of ALL of the evidence will put to rest for once and for all the desperate preposterous scenarios of the Ramsey Apologists.
I totally agree and I certainly hope so.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#202 Jul 19, 2014
Steve Eller wrote:
<quoted text>
While it is probably wishful thinking, hopefully the gradual release of ALL of the evidence will put to rest for once and for all the desperate preposterous scenarios of the Ramsey Apologists.
Are you kidding? This is an OPEN HOMICIDE CASE. Either the case will be tried, and SELECTED evidence is used to get a conviction OR all of the evidence remains SEALED. It will NEVER BE "gradually released."
Steve Eller

East Hartford, CT

#203 Jul 19, 2014
candy wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you kidding? This is an OPEN HOMICIDE CASE. Either the case will be tried, and SELECTED evidence is used to get a conviction OR all of the evidence remains SEALED. It will NEVER BE "gradually released."
It has been gradually released through leaks and other ways. And it will continue to be released. I would love to be wrong but the perpetrators of this heinous crime will never be brought to justice in a courtroom.

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