Fleet, Priscilla White denied official Ramsey exoneration statement by DA

Jan 24, 2014 Full story: Daily Camera 198

Boulder District Attorney Stan Garnett released a letter Friday showing he, too, had been pressed recently by acquaintances of John and Patsy Ramsey to issue a public statement exonerating them in JonBenet Ramsey's death, but that he declined to do so.

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#32 Mar 22, 2014
I want to correct what I posted that the Whites filed something on this in 2013. No, it was 2011 when they out of the blue revived all this, and this year.

Now I see why White went to the First Amendment hearing. To get some ideas on reviving all this. Poor Chief Beckner, no good deed goes unpunished. I see why Garnett acted the way he did towards them. One of the last things Chief Beckner is ever going to have to put up with as Chief is this.

Every statute of limitations has long run out. WHY the obsessive focus on this? The whole thing lasted, in the real world, from February 25, 2000, when the Daily Camera ran a front page article on the Krebs allegations, until May 15, 2000 when the police ended their investigation on Krebs and released a press release on it, clearing the Whites again. 2 and a half months, 14 years ago. The rest of it has been all internet, and it's nothing new for the internet to support the most sensational claims forever.

The key about Fleet White's "beliefs" in this case, which is the only thing that matters to most people is, under oath, he gave pro-Ramsey testimony in the Wolf case that he has since covered up and two, telling again, when Lacy cleared the Ramseys, HE DID NOT OBJECT TO THAT, he only wanted the same type of exoneration letter for him and Priscilla.
real Topaz

AOL

#33 Mar 22, 2014
candy wrote:
I want to correct what I posted that the Whites filed something on this in 2013. No, it was 2011 when they out of the blue revived all this, and this year.
Now I see why White went to the First Amendment hearing. To get some ideas on reviving all this. Poor Chief Beckner, no good deed goes unpunished. I see why Garnett acted the way he did towards them. One of the last things Chief Beckner is ever going to have to put up with as Chief is this.
Every statute of limitations has long run out. WHY the obsessive focus on this? The whole thing lasted, in the real world, from February 25, 2000, when the Daily Camera ran a front page article on the Krebs allegations, until May 15, 2000 when the police ended their investigation on Krebs and released a press release on it, clearing the Whites again. 2 and a half months, 14 years ago. The rest of it has been all internet, and it's nothing new for the internet to support the most sensational claims forever.
The key about Fleet White's "beliefs" in this case, which is the only thing that matters to most people is, under oath, he gave pro-Ramsey testimony in the Wolf case that he has since covered up and two, telling again, when Lacy cleared the Ramseys, HE DID NOT OBJECT TO THAT, he only wanted the same type of exoneration letter for him and Priscilla.
I agree it's strange, Candy. Why is he obsessing now when he could have sued Krebs back then for slander like his buddy JR was so adept at? Instead, FW handled his legal issues upside down and backwards. Why put crazy california woman back in the spotlight when there's no money to be made?
candy

East Lansing, MI

#34 Mar 23, 2014
I agree Real Topaz. Why did he never sue Krebs directly? SHE is the one behind these allegations, NOT the media, who just posted what she told law enforcement.

And who picked up Krebs allegations after BPD dropped them? LOU SMIT. I don't see he's EVER went after Team Scamsey for anything.
Those Krebs posters uncoincidentally all turned Team Ramsey too, peddling their "suspects" like Helgoth...
real Topaz

AOL

#35 Mar 23, 2014
candy wrote:
I agree Real Topaz. Why did he never sue Krebs directly? SHE is the one behind these allegations, NOT the media, who just posted what she told law enforcement.
And who picked up Krebs allegations after BPD dropped them? LOU SMIT. I don't see he's EVER went after Team Scamsey for anything.
Those Krebs posters uncoincidentally all turned Team Ramsey too, peddling their "suspects" like Helgoth...
Hi Candy:D
Yes, all FW's anger at the media is misdirected to say the least. For someone that hates lawyers and media as much as he claims to, FW sure knows how to stir that pot again and again.
I sometimes think he's crazy..or really dumb. It's not clear (to me, anyway) what exactly he wants in all of this! Is it about justice for Jonbenet, or what? He could have made a bundle sueing everyone that so much as looked sideways at him, gone after the Ramseys too, and wiped the floor with Krebs..yet here he is dickin with past upsets that don't matter any more now than they did back then. What will he gain now, besides the attention WE'RE giving him? He confuses me and always has.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#36 Mar 23, 2014
He confuses me too. But none of this is about Justice for JonBenet. It's all about the Whites wanting to know absolutely everything law enforcement did, said, and their reports on something that lasted only a couple of months.

He's in a heck of a position vis a vis JonBenet. IF any of his testimony in the Wolf case, contradicts what he said under oath to the grand jury, he's done. He can cover up that testimony from public scrutiny, chances are Lin Wood already gave Lacy a full copy of his pro Ramsey testimony, and it's always admissible evidence in any court case. So the DA's office knows all this. His "memory loss" in the Wolf case looks even worse against his TOTAL RECALL in the Krebs investigation, of every single detail....
real Topaz

AOL

#38 Mar 23, 2014
candy wrote:
He confuses me too. But none of this is about Justice for JonBenet. It's all about the Whites wanting to know absolutely everything law enforcement did, said, and their reports on something that lasted only a couple of months.
He's in a heck of a position vis a vis JonBenet. IF any of his testimony in the Wolf case, contradicts what he said under oath to the grand jury, he's done. He can cover up that testimony from public scrutiny, chances are Lin Wood already gave Lacy a full copy of his pro Ramsey testimony, and it's always admissible evidence in any court case. So the DA's office knows all this. His "memory loss" in the Wolf case looks even worse against his TOTAL RECALL in the Krebs investigation, of every single detail....
Oh he's a mess. Wonder why he played so many games when it would have been much easier to just let it be about justice for JonBenet. He clearly had an opinion about who and why by hanging with Steve Thomas all that time,..yet again, that wasn't about jfjb either, was it?
Seems like he keeps getting in his own way because there's something he's trying to protect, or someone he fears. Otherwise, he's just got to be out of his mind! lol
candy

East Lansing, MI

#39 Mar 23, 2014
I want to add, for people not familiar with this SIDESHOW, is why, other boards are asking, didn't the Whites get all this material before now?

BECAUSE, as I posted when I posted my letter from the FBI about their investigation (brief as it was) about Krebs, the BPD would not let me obtain that FBI report because it went into the RAMSEY CASE FILE. I could and did obtain what went into a SEPARATE CASE FILE on Krebs. EVERYTHING that went into the Ramsey case file is NOT obtainable by anyone as it is an ongoing homicide case. Judge Montgomery in 2002 agreed, and only gave the Whites 2 of the 7 items they wanted, now, 12 years later, they are going after the other 5.

I don't know if the complaint was done correctly on their end as they say Chief Beckner is custodian of the case file, while Charlie Brennan's lawsuit said Stan Garnett was the custodian. Second, the Whites include in their filing A SUBPOENA for Chief Beckner to show up. I never heard of that as proper service, AND COULDN'T HELP BUT REMEMBER in the Tom Miller case, Fleet White standing at the screen door refusing to open the door to take a LAWFULLY SERVED SUBPOENA for which Fleet ended up spending A MONTH IN JAIL. The irony that he doesn't have to show up for whatever he doesn't want to be at, but poor Chief Beckner is supposed to show up at something in his last days in office about, THIS....
candy

East Lansing, MI

#40 Mar 24, 2014
This is the denial Chief Beckner gave to the Whites in 2011 when they tried to get these records:

"Your request for this material is denied. These are not records of "official action" as defined in C.R.S. 24-72-302 (7). They are NON DISCLOSABLE "criminal justice investigative files" pursuant to C.R.S. 24-72-305 (5). There are third party privacy interests that will be impacted by the disclosure of this information. Additionally, disclosure of this information may impact a pending BPD criminal investigation."

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#41 Apr 3, 2014
Why did Dr. Stratbucker (stun gun expert) make note of the name "Fleet White"?

An excerpt from Stratbucker's deposition in Wolf v. Ramsey:

"17 Q. You have in your file a spiral small
18 pad. On the second page of that you have the
19 name Fleet White.
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. What caused you to write Fleet
22 White's name down there?
23 A. Well, I suppose that -- this looks
24 like some notes I made in conversation with a
25 student at the University of Michigan State by
00054
1 the name of Mary McCullough. And I don't know
2 Fleet White at all. This looks like Mr.
3 Hoffman's telephone number. And why I wrote
4 that down, I don't have any idea. But that is
5 -- these are some telephone notes that I took
6 probably in the course of a telephone
7 conversation with Mary McCullough."

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#42 Apr 3, 2014
Mama2JML wrote:
Why did Dr. Stratbucker (stun gun expert) make note of the name "Fleet White"?
An excerpt from Stratbucker's deposition in Wolf v. Ramsey:
"17 Q. You have in your file a spiral small
18 pad. On the second page of that you have the
19 name Fleet White.
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. What caused you to write Fleet
22 White's name down there?
23 A. Well, I suppose that -- this looks
24 like some notes I made in conversation with a
25 student at the University of Michigan State by
00054
1 the name of Mary McCullough. And I don't know
2 Fleet White at all. This looks like Mr.
3 Hoffman's telephone number. And why I wrote
4 that down, I don't have any idea. But that is
5 -- these are some telephone notes that I took
6 probably in the course of a telephone
7 conversation with Mary McCullough."
What difference does it make? He couldn't remember why he wrote anything down. First ask yourself if Wolf v Ramsey had anything at all to do with the death of JBR? The correct answer to that questions will answer my first question.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#43 Apr 3, 2014
And, if you will remember Stratbucker said the marks didn't come from an Air Taser.

He was brought in to dispute Smit, as Smit made one of his dumbest statements ever about the blue line between the marks (which was NOT an arc of the stun gun like Smit indicated), it was a vein.

Stratbucker went on to say:

" Nebraska Dr. Robert Stratbucker, who has conducted several experiments on stun guns and is considered a courtroom expert, said he takes "considerable issue" with Smit's stun gun theory.

Stratbucker said it is "pure nonsense" that the stun gun would leave a blue mark in between red marks on the skin as Smit claimed.

"I have not seen ever, ever any blue marks, and I don't know what the cause of any blue mark could be," he said. "

You can put lipstick on a pig and it is still a pig.
You can stun gun a pig and it isn't a smoking gun, it is still a pig!
candy

East Lansing, MI

#44 Apr 4, 2014
We all know who "mama" is, unlike that other site....

Where this case is now is waiting for a decision on the Defendants (City of Boulder, Boulder Police) Motion to Dismiss. The City filed several items under seal, no doubt talking about the "third party privacy issues" they were talking about in the denial by Chief Beckner, and why they were not granted the other 5 items by the Court in 2003.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#45 Apr 6, 2014
candy wrote:
We all know who "mama" is, unlike that other site....
Where this case is now is waiting for a decision on the Defendants (City of Boulder, Boulder Police) Motion to Dismiss. The City filed several items under seal, no doubt talking about the "third party privacy issues" they were talking about in the denial by Chief Beckner, and why they were not granted the other 5 items by the Court in 2003.
We know who she is BUT she doesn't know who she is.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#46 May 1, 2014
Fleet White's latest case against the BPD for the Kreb files is again DISMISSED, and with prejudice, which means he can't bring the same action again against the BPD.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#47 May 15, 2014
I want to alert people to this GREAT video footage of Fleet and Priscilla White's statement before the Boulder City Council on March 18, 2014. It's only a few minutes long, but it's great footage. The Whites in their own words, first Fleet, then Priscilla:

https://bouldercolorado.gov/channel8/city-cou...

Go to: March 18, 2014

http://boulderco.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php...

Fleet comes on at approximately 2:04:44 on this tape, followed by Priscilla. I'll have a lot more to say tomorrow about all of this, but first, I want people to have the chance to see them in their own words speaking.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#48 May 15, 2014
candy wrote:
I want to alert people to this GREAT video footage of Fleet and Priscilla White's statement before the Boulder City Council on March 18, 2014. It's only a few minutes long, but it's great footage. The Whites in their own words, first Fleet, then Priscilla:
https://bouldercolorado.gov/channel8/city-cou...
Go to: March 18, 2014
http://boulderco.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php...
Fleet comes on at approximately 2:04:44 on this tape, followed by Priscilla. I'll have a lot more to say tomorrow about all of this, but first, I want people to have the chance to see them in their own words speaking.
Yeah, that was interesting. Those two people have been so abused--not only by the Ramseys and the DA's office; BPD got into it too, if you believe Steve Thomas.

They seem to have such an appetite for the fight, why don't they write a book? I'd read it.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#49 May 16, 2014
Yes, they have been badly abused, and they just do a wonderful job here before the Boulder City Council, where they have spoken several times before.

The Whites are so impressive here, no wonder the Scams threw them under the bus as hard as they possibly could. They would be devastating witnesses against the Ramseys. They come across as very credible.

BUT, this is NOT the guy who showed up for the Wolf case. I wonder what Carnes would make of THIS Fleet White? She just LOVED his pro Ramsey testimony and quoted it widely. Darnay couldn't use one word of his own witnesses testimony for HIS side, the one who subpoeaned him. The difference of course, is Fleet and Priscilla are NOT reading their script when Fleet was being deposed. He could talk about what he wanted, and avoid what he didn't want. HE was being asked questions he had no control of. He was also under penalty of perjury. He's the one who decided to hide THAT testimony behind a protective order, which still COVERS IT UP today.

Tricia said Fleet is going to speak out. Who's kidding who? Even the most softball "journalist" is not going to let Fleet talk about what he wants, and avoid the 800 pound gorilla he's hiding behind a protective order. MORE next post
candy

East Lansing, MI

#50 May 16, 2014
Back to this action, Priscilla White told the Boulder City Council that she received an email from the Boulder City Attorney the day before saying that if the Whites demanded the City "show cause" as to why they could not have the Krebs investigations files THAT ARE PART OF THE JONBENET RAMSEY CASE FILE, crucial distinction, they said that litigation would be friviolous, groundless, and vexatious. She said they were going to do it anyway, typical of the Whites. They don't ask WHY the City Attorney would say that. BECAUSE THE MATTER WAS ALREADY LITIGATED IN 2002. The Whites don't care, but lawyers do, and they are in the legal system acting as their own lawyers, without knowing enough. The Judge stated "The new information (grand jury indictments) makes the Plaintiff's complaint, NON FRIVOLOUS, but still BARRED under the principles of res judicata and collateral estoppel (again, meaning the matter has already been litigated). More, next post.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#51 May 16, 2014
Usually, people want these type of records to use in a libel suit, but the Court notes, the statute of limitations has LONG been over for that:
""The passage of time also means that Plaintiff's assertion in Response 22 that they are seeking "relief from defamation caused by publication of Ms. Krebs false claims and allegations." purportedly made in her May 15, 2000 City of Boulder News Release (Response 11, Ex. 5) time barred under the one year statute of limitations for libel claims in Colorado, if they were ever viable at all. See C.R.S.A. 13-80-103.

So, what's the point? Obviously for the Whites, they want to know who were the people who brought Krebs to the attention of the District Attorney. Twice, the City/BPD has filed that info under seal, and twice the Judges agreed that that info is RIGHTLY part of the JonBenet Ramsey homicide investigation, therefore, NOT available for public scrutiny as it is still an open case. The Whites want to know, but because of the open nature of the case, they can't know. That's why people hate being targets in a homicide case, anyone can say anything to the police about someone THOSE WITNESSES ARE PROTECTED, it's up to the police to determine the veracity of the information they get. As you know, witnesses that have been outed have been MURDERED in drug and other homicide cases, so it's a long held principle to keep witnesses secret in an unjudicated case, and, as the Judge said, for all the reasons Chief Beckner mentioned in the 2002 case. THAT'S why the Whites can't see those files, THAT'S why they lost twice, and as a punitive measure for bringing an action that's already been litigated, that's why the Whites were socked with legal fees for the Defendants, City and BPD, and why the Defendants acted for the action to be dismissed "with prejudice " meaning the Whites can never file yet another complaint on this matter ever again.
real Topaz

AOL

#52 May 17, 2014
candy wrote:
Usually, people want these type of records to use in a libel suit, but the Court notes, the statute of limitations has LONG been over for that:
""The passage of time also means that Plaintiff's assertion in Response 22 that they are seeking "relief from defamation caused by publication of Ms. Krebs false claims and allegations." purportedly made in her May 15, 2000 City of Boulder News Release (Response 11, Ex. 5) time barred under the one year statute of limitations for libel claims in Colorado, if they were ever viable at all. See C.R.S.A. 13-80-103.
So, what's the point? Obviously for the Whites, they want to know who were the people who brought Krebs to the attention of the District Attorney. Twice, the City/BPD has filed that info under seal, and twice the Judges agreed that that info is RIGHTLY part of the JonBenet Ramsey homicide investigation, therefore, NOT available for public scrutiny as it is still an open case. The Whites want to know, but because of the open nature of the case, they can't know. That's why people hate being targets in a homicide case, anyone can say anything to the police about someone THOSE WITNESSES ARE PROTECTED, it's up to the police to determine the veracity of the information they get. As you know, witnesses that have been outed have been MURDERED in drug and other homicide cases, so it's a long held principle to keep witnesses secret in an unjudicated case, and, as the Judge said, for all the reasons Chief Beckner mentioned in the 2002 case. THAT'S why the Whites can't see those files, THAT'S why they lost twice, and as a punitive measure for bringing an action that's already been litigated, that's why the Whites were socked with legal fees for the Defendants, City and BPD, and why the Defendants acted for the action to be dismissed "with prejudice " meaning the Whites can never file yet another complaint on this matter ever again.
Hi Candy, thanks for this interesting update:)
I wonder what the White's would do with the information IF they could find out who brought Krebs to the case? I've always believed it was Ramsey that dug her up, or of course his paid minions..but what of it? Not like White's would have JR killed, or anyone else that may have been involved. Seems strange they dog this after 14 years because what good knowing who did it at this point? Seeing as JR didn't jump on it when Krebs came along, I have to think he did it. He pushed the White's under the bus on DAY 1, why not roll over him but good when tthey actually had a reason to suspect him and point fingers?

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