Fleet, Priscilla White denied official Ramsey exoneration statement by DA

Jan 24, 2014 Full story: Daily Camera 198

Boulder District Attorney Stan Garnett released a letter Friday showing he, too, had been pressed recently by acquaintances of John and Patsy Ramsey to issue a public statement exonerating them in JonBenet Ramsey's death, but that he declined to do so.

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#1 Jan 24, 2014
Garnett doesn't consider them suspects either. ONLY TEAM SCAMSEY DOES.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#2 Jan 25, 2014
I think everyone learned their lesson from Lacy and that miserable fiasco of public letters of that nature.

They are not suspects, and Garnett is not going to fall into that hole alongside Lacy after his comments about what she did and the pressure to UNclear the Ramseys once again

I can understand Fleet's desire for it as INNOCENT people should be afforded the same considerations as the PRIME SUSPECTS, but hey, it's Boulder

Since: Jan 06

Location hidden

#3 Jan 25, 2014
Who is Team Scamsey? If you are talking about those of us who believe the evidence proves it was an intruder, you need to know most of us do NOT put the Whites on our suspect list. I am unaware of any Ramsey supporter who is trying to scam anyone. We just look at the evidence and believe the killer is still out there, could be identified by the foreign DNA left behind.

Unsourced DNA, unsourced cord and tape, unsourced palm prints, pubic hair, fibers. Handwriting yet to be matched to anyones.

Certain people still name the Whites as suspect, but they ignore the fact they were looked at and cleared. So were the Ramseys. So were the Santas and John Brewer Eustace and John Mark Carr. They did not kill JonBenet and it is, imo, just not right for them to be discussed as viable suspects on the forums. They may know more than they told, could even be unwitting links between JonBenet and her killer, but they are not guilty of murder.
Steve Eller

Bronx, NY

#4 Jan 25, 2014
justwatching wrote:
Who is Team Scamsey? If you are talking about those of us who believe the evidence proves it was an intruder, you need to know most of us do NOT put the Whites on our suspect list. I am unaware of any Ramsey supporter who is trying to scam anyone. We just look at the evidence and believe the killer is still out there, could be identified by the foreign DNA left behind.
Unsourced DNA, unsourced cord and tape, unsourced palm prints, pubic hair, fibers. Handwriting yet to be matched to anyones.
Certain people still name the Whites as suspect, but they ignore the fact they were looked at and cleared. So were the Ramseys. So were the Santas and John Brewer Eustace and John Mark Carr. They did not kill JonBenet and it is, imo, just not right for them to be discussed as viable suspects on the forums. They may know more than they told, could even be unwitting links between JonBenet and her killer, but they are not guilty of murder.
For instructive informaton regarding who is responsible for JonBenet's murder please see the findings of the Grand Jury. It will save you a lot of time.

Since: Jan 06

Location hidden

#5 Jan 25, 2014
Steve Eller wrote:
<quoted text>
For instructive informaton regarding who is responsible for JonBenet's murder please see the findings of the Grand Jury. It will save you a lot of time.
Remember, the gj had limited information. The intruder evidence was unwelcome and only a short presentation by Lou Smit brought in the evidence clearing J&P. There were months of BORG theory and a day of Lou. Based on that, the gj was willing to indict for.... exactly what? Putting their child to bed? Taking a sleeping pill so as not to hear the intruder? Not going in to be questioned starting at 9pm and going entil.....?

Bottom line is this: the da had more info and refused to arrest or prosecute a case he couldn't win. That based on the facts and evidence. Remember, we have a stun gun, hi tech boots, unsourced cord and tape, fibers, prints, DNA!!! We have seen the Ramseys cleared since the gj vote. Cleared by the DA, cleared by a federal judge. CLEARED!

The vote, interesting as it is, is not evidence. Wish we had their full report, interviews with those jurors before they are all dead and gone.
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#6 Jan 25, 2014
Bottom line: Please explain the need for the ransom note.

While we may accept the fact that someone in the home was molesting Jonbenet and that it was quite coincidental that the intruder kidnapper happened to be a pedophile that decided to molest her right inside the home before absconding with his victim (or not), it is much more difficult to believe a pedophile would enter the home, write a mammoth ransom note, kill the child, and leave the body.

The ransom note is here to stay. There is no explanation. The only purpose it served was to (hopefully) focus the attention and suspicions of the police from the family to an intruder. In my opinion, it was a Hail Mary from a desperate family member.
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#7 Jan 25, 2014
Also, the chronic molestation is disconcerting. Yes, a pedophile may have just coincidentally molested and killed a child that was being molested by someone in the family--but while that is feasible, is it really probable? It is possible but...really?
candy

East Lansing, MI

#8 Jan 25, 2014
Fleet White is in a totally different position in terms of asking to be exonerated than THE INDICTED PARENTS. He's NEVER been any suspect but the Scams. No evidence has ever made him any type of suspect. Unlike the Scams, HE HAS COOPERATED FULLY WITH LAW ENFORCMENT. HE WAS NEVER INDICTED FOR THIS CRIME, UNLIKE THE SCAMS. The DA's office is supposed to be seeking Justice and it's Justice for Fleet White to be exonerated of a crime no evidence links him to. UNLIKE THE SCAMS.
whodatninja

Pleasant Hill, CA

#9 Jan 25, 2014
When Steve Thomas was deposed by Lin Wood, Wood had him verify repeatedly that Fleet White, Chris Wolf and Bill McReynolds were the principal suspects of the then district attorney's office. It's very striking how often Wood goes back to it. It's like his mantra.

Q [by Wood]. Now, you do know that after the Boulder Police Department had investigated Mr. Wolf, that the district attorney's office was still actively investigating an intruder theory and that Fleet White, Bill McReynolds and Chris Wolf were on the top of their suspect list. You do know that to be true, don't you, sir?

A [by Thomas]. Yes.

AND

Q [by Wood]. Well, what you do know is that the Boulder Police department investigated Chris Wolf as a suspect and you know that even after the Boulder Police Department had investigated him that the Boulder district attorney's office was still investigating Chris Wolf as a suspect and that he was, along with Fleet White and Bill McReynolds, on the top of the DA's list?

AND

Q.(BY MR. WOOD) Timing aside, we can get clear agreement that Chris Wolf was from your knowledge not only a suspect for the Boulder Police Department, but at the top of the list, along with McReynolds and Fleet White, of the suspect list of the Boulder district attorney's office in its investigation, true?

A.[by Thomas]. Certainly seemed to be.

AND

Q [by Wood]. That Mr. Wolf was on the top of their suspect list, along with McReynolds and Fleet White?
Steve Eller

Brooklyn, NY

#10 Jan 25, 2014
justwatching wrote:
<quoted text>
Remember, the gj had limited information. The intruder evidence was unwelcome and only a short presentation by Lou Smit brought in the evidence clearing J&P. There were months of BORG theory and a day of Lou. Based on that, the gj was willing to indict for.... exactly what? Putting their child to bed? Taking a sleeping pill so as not to hear the intruder? Not going in to be questioned starting at 9pm and going entil.....?
Bottom line is this: the da had more info and refused to arrest or prosecute a case he couldn't win. That based on the facts and evidence. Remember, we have a stun gun, hi tech boots, unsourced cord and tape, fibers, prints, DNA!!! We have seen the Ramseys cleared since the gj vote. Cleared by the DA, cleared by a federal judge. CLEARED!
The vote, interesting as it is, is not evidence. Wish we had their full report, interviews with those jurors before they are all dead and gone.
Please accept my apology for not providing you with more information to modernize and enlighten your fossilized state of awareness regarding this case. There was no stun gun and no intruder or intruders. Abundant quantities of unsourced DNA and fibers can be found in every home in this country, it doesn't mean that intruders phantomly entered all of these homes and committed crimes. Burke had hi Tech boots, no unsourced prints the palm print belonged to Melinda Ramsey. Prosecutors rarely ever provide a Grand Jury with all of the evidence incriminating a suspect and in this case, not only was Lou Smit allowed to make a power point presentation to the Grand Jury, he was given as much time as he wanted. And when Smit wasn't testifying H Ellis Armistead the Ramseys Private Detective exited the DA's Office and testified before the. Grand Jury as well. Arch Ramsey Friend and high ranking apologist Susan Stine also testified on behalf of her murderous friends. End result? The Grand Jury decided that the Ramseys were going to be INDICTED for CHILD ABUSE resulting in death and accessory to murder.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#11 Jan 25, 2014
whodatninja wrote:
When Steve Thomas was deposed by Lin Wood, Wood had him verify repeatedly that Fleet White, Chris Wolf and Bill McReynolds were the principal suspects of the then district attorney's office. It's very striking how often Wood goes back to it. It's like his mantra.
Q [by Wood]. Now, you do know that after the Boulder Police Department had investigated Mr. Wolf, that the district attorney's office was still actively investigating an intruder theory and that Fleet White, Bill McReynolds and Chris Wolf were on the top of their suspect list. You do know that to be true, don't you, sir?
A [by Thomas]. Yes.
AND
Q [by Wood]. Well, what you do know is that the Boulder Police department investigated Chris Wolf as a suspect and you know that even after the Boulder Police Department had investigated him that the Boulder district attorney's office was still investigating Chris Wolf as a suspect and that he was, along with Fleet White and Bill McReynolds, on the top of the DA's list?
AND
Q.(BY MR. WOOD) Timing aside, we can get clear agreement that Chris Wolf was from your knowledge not only a suspect for the Boulder Police Department, but at the top of the list, along with McReynolds and Fleet White, of the suspect list of the Boulder district attorney's office in its investigation, true?
A.[by Thomas]. Certainly seemed to be.
AND
Q [by Wood]. That Mr. Wolf was on the top of their suspect list, along with McReynolds and Fleet White?
You're damn right it's his mantra. It's him saying HERE'S THE REAL INVESTIGATION WITH THE REAL SUSPECTS, not my clients. THAT'S why LOU set up those people to be re-investigated in the Ramsey friendly DA's office. Carnes bought it hook, line and sinker too, as well as the BIGGEST LIE OF ALL they peddled. The Scams said in the first line of every motion they filed in the Wolf case that they had never been "arrested , charged , OR INDICTED in regards to the Ramsey case, and Carnes just lifted that and used it in her own opion, AND IT'S TOTALLY FALSE.

Garnett's in for a rude awakening when Paula's book comes out. He's never been the DA when they were actively throwing all these other people under the bus. Whoever she is saying she hopes sues her IS GOING TO GO TO THE DA'S OFFICE FIRST, JUST LIKE FLEET WHITE DID, demanding to be exonorated. NO ONE is going to play the Patsy for them, NO ONE.
Steve Eller

Brooklyn, NY

#13 Feb 13, 2014
I Wonder Too wrote:
<quoted text>
What did they find, which one killed JonBene't by circumstantial evidence?
Did the GJ figure out which one held the flashlight?
Did they disclose where the tape, rope, and paint brush trotted off too?
What about the mirror, figure it out? That was to easy I suppose. Sorry, wrong CS.
They did have mirrors tho.
Finally, common sense was not in their evidence, was it?
Alex agrees? That's why he.....
It's encouraging that you are interested in the specific details now that you finally disabused yourself of the silly notion that someone besides the Ramseys were involved.
Georgina

Atlanta, GA

#24 Feb 22, 2014
justwatching wrote:
Who is Team Scamsey? If you are talking about those of us who believe the evidence proves it was an intruder, you need to know most of us do NOT put the Whites on our suspect list. I am unaware of any Ramsey supporter who is trying to scam anyone. We just look at the evidence and believe the killer is still out there, could be identified by the foreign DNA left behind.
Unsourced DNA, unsourced cord and tape, unsourced palm prints, pubic hair, fibers. Handwriting yet to be matched to anyones.
Certain people still name the Whites as suspect, but they ignore the fact they were looked at and cleared. So were the Ramseys. So were the Santas and John Brewer Eustace and John Mark Carr. They did not kill JonBenet and it is, imo, just not right for them to be discussed as viable suspects on the forums. They may know more than they told, could even be unwitting links between JonBenet and her killer, but they are not guilty of murder.
Do you know where I can read what the reasons were that Lou Smit thought it was an intruder? Thanks
real Topaz

AOL

#25 Feb 22, 2014
try GOOGLE "Geaorgina"..like everyone else.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#26 Mar 20, 2014
Fleet and Priscilla White file lawsuit AGAIN to get access to Krebs investigative files.
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_25...
candy

East Lansing, MI

#27 Mar 21, 2014
I have the court filing by The Whites, and I'm just going to post parts of it, so people understand what it is they are trying to obtain:
The Whites are suing Chief Beckner in his capcity as both "custodian" and "official custodian" of the "criminal justice records at issue in this case." The Whites also sued Chief Beckner in 2002. At that time, seven items were submitted to the Judge to review in an in camera review and the Judge allowed two of the seven items to be released to the Whites. In 2011, the Whites wrote to Chief Beckner, adding that some items relating to (bizarrely) Steven Singular, former Boulder city attorney DesRaimes, and the BPD "dream team" of lawyers, all of which, Chief Beckner said in a reply letter, didn't even exist to be turned over as records. They then in 2013 asked for the original five items that were not turned over to them in 2002 to be turned over. Chief Beckner again denied the request, citing the Judge Montgomery ruling. The Whites sent a couple of letters this year, and filed this complaint this past Monday, March 17, 2014. In the next post, I'll quote from the filing, which includes the five items the Whites are trying to obtain.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#28 Mar 21, 2014
From the filing:

On February 19, 2014, Plaintiff's sent a letter to Beckner, requesting pursuant to the CCJRA 24-72-301 et seq., C.R.S., access to inspect and copy the following criminal justice records:

1. All records including but not limited to meeting notes, memoranda, communications and correspondence, interviews and transcripts, whether such records are written or electronic, that came into existence at any time during 1997 until this date that refer to, or in any way relate to, the undersigned or any member of our respective families in connection with the claims and allegations of Nancy Krebs, also known as Nancy Jo Kres, and the investigation thereof by local, state or federal law enforcement agencies, including the Boulder Police Department.

2. All those certain records specified and described in attached October 3, 2002 City of Boulder Police Department memorandum to the Boulder District Court in White v. City of Boulder, case 2002 CV 1984 as follows:

Item #1 One video tape with images of Lee Hill and Nancy Krebs.

Item #2 Fourteen (14) photographs related to the Krebs investigation.

Item #3 Detective Tom Trujillo's fifty-five (55) page report and twenty (20) page Appendices of Krebs investigation.

Item #4 Detective Jane Harmer's three (3) page report on the Krebs investigation.

Item #5 FBI Agent Joseph Schwecke's five (5) page report on the Krebs investigation.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#29 Mar 22, 2014
Georgina wrote:
<quoted text> Do you know where I can read what the reasons were that Lou Smit thought it was an intruder? Thanks
Here: http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/2001/May/...
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#30 Mar 22, 2014
justwatching wrote:
Who is Team Scamsey? If you are talking about those of us who believe the evidence proves it was an intruder, you need to know most of us do NOT put the Whites on our suspect list. I am unaware of any Ramsey supporter who is trying to scam anyone. We just look at the evidence and believe the killer is still out there, could be identified by the foreign DNA left behind.
Unsourced DNA, unsourced cord and tape, unsourced palm prints, pubic hair, fibers. Handwriting yet to be matched to anyones.
Certain people still name the Whites as suspect, but they ignore the fact they were looked at and cleared. So were the Ramseys. So were the Santas and John Brewer Eustace and John Mark Carr. They did not kill JonBenet and it is, imo, just not right for them to be discussed as viable suspects on the forums. They may know more than they told, could even be unwitting links between JonBenet and her killer, but they are not guilty of murder.
Palm print belonged to Patsy's sister. Pubic hair was an arm hair from Patsy. John's shirt fibers were found on underwear. Patsy's jacket fibers wound in cord and on duct tape.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#31 Mar 22, 2014
Just Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Palm print belonged to Patsy's sister. Pubic hair was an arm hair from Patsy. John's shirt fibers were found on underwear. Patsy's jacket fibers wound in cord and on duct tape.
The palm print was sourced to Melinda, John's daughter

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