Wiccan to sit out two Christmas songs

Dec 12, 2009 Full story: Amarillo.com 16

Katarina Keen, front, 15, is a freshman member of the Borger High School choir. Katarina and her family, clockwise from back right, father Phillip, sister Kennedy, sister Cheyenne, brother Phillip II and mother Jean, are Wiccan.

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“Please don't feed the trolls.”

Since: Apr 08

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#1 Dec 12, 2009
OK. It seems to me that the choral director did everything right. There are secular as well as Christian songs in the program, and the kid doesn't want to sing the Christian ones. OK. No problem. She doesn't have to...then WHY did she make such a fuss? She got what she wanted, and still she continues to pout and get herself all in a snit? This is one case where shutting up is really the best way to NOT look like a fool.

“A different view”

Since: Sep 08

West Riding

#2 Dec 12, 2009
The Real Lori wrote:
OK. It seems to me that the choral director did everything right. There are secular as well as Christian songs in the program, and the kid doesn't want to sing the Christian ones. OK. No problem. She doesn't have to...then WHY did she make such a fuss? She got what she wanted, and still she continues to pout and get herself all in a snit? This is one case where shutting up is really the best way to NOT look like a fool.
Exactly, its a load of nothing.

“NM Desert Rat”

Since: Mar 08

Elephant Butte, N.M.

#3 Dec 12, 2009
Sounds like lots to do about nothing. Set out the songs and quit whining.
Ceana Luighseach

Austin, TX

#4 Dec 14, 2009
Secular and Christian pieces do not make a balanced program. What about Kwanza and Hannukah? What about Solstice or 12th Night? How many families would have objected to including a song or two from one of those traditions?

Personally, I am impressed with the strength of this young lady and the support that her family is providing. The comments have made me realize just how pervasive religious discrimination is.

Thanks for posting this article.
The Real Lori wrote:
OK. It seems to me that the choral director did everything right. There are secular as well as Christian songs in the program, and the kid doesn't want to sing the Christian ones. OK. No problem. She doesn't have to...then WHY did she make such a fuss? She got what she wanted, and still she continues to pout and get herself all in a snit? This is one case where shutting up is really the best way to NOT look like a fool.

“Please don't feed the trolls.”

Since: Apr 08

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#5 Dec 14, 2009
There are Haunukkah pieces in there too, I think...I'll have to re-read it.

The entire point of this was, she got what she wanted, so why did she continue to complain?

As for the program being "balanced"...I could care less. I have a background of Christian and Jewish tradition, and I follow lots of Pagan traditions too. It's not the end of the world if someone doesn't cater to my every wish.
mike jones

United States

#6 Dec 16, 2009
"Secular and Christian pieces do not make a balanced program. What about Kwanza and Hannukah? What about Solstice or 12th Night? How many families would have objected to including a song or two from one of those traditions?"
oh just shut up already. you are just full of sh*t buddy. she just wants her under 100-year-old religion to start a controversy. dumb bitch. choirs came from churches. if you didn't want to sing religious songs that conflict with your ideas, don't enter an organization that began in a religious place.
ffs, they even did secular songs. they did not do anything or force anyone. now she is just taking her broke a$s family to the courts and fcking with the whole liberty system. grow up.
"Personally, I am impressed with the strength of this young lady and the support that her family is providing. The comments have made me realize just how pervasive religious discrimination is."
RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION?
HELLO! THEY HAVE BEEN SINGING THE SAME SONGS FOR BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.
Where is the religious discrimination in all this? By not allowing a 50 hour concert to cover every wintertime carol for every religion?
FYI, her mom drives her to school in a car covered in stickers that bear MANY VULGAR messages against other religions (such as Christianity and Catholicism).
She is the discriminant.

“Please don't feed the trolls.”

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#7 Dec 18, 2009
Besides, Kwanzaa isn't religious. It was invented by an ex-con, to celebrate and empower black culture. That isn't my opinion, that is fact.
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Kwanzaa was created in 1966 by Maulana Ron Karenga, a professor at California State University, Long Beach, who is also executive director of the African American Cultural Center in Los Angeles.

The holiday was a way for African Americans to honor their culture, but it was also part of the black power movement of the era. The big boom in Kwanzaa came during its first two decades, according to Keith Mayes, author of "Kwanzaa: Black Power and the Making of the African-American Holiday Tradition."

Some blacks, though, rejected the concept of Kwanzaa all along, considering it a pagan holiday and taking issue with its founder, a black nationalist and ex-con he was convicted of torturing two women.

My source...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091217/ap_on_re_...
Renee

Baltimore, MD

#8 Dec 18, 2009
Okay...so she's not singing the songs, and no one's putting her in detention or anything so why on earth does this require nationwide news coverage?

“A different view”

Since: Sep 08

West Riding

#9 Dec 20, 2009

“NM Desert Rat”

Since: Mar 08

Elephant Butte, N.M.

#10 Dec 20, 2009
Renee wrote:
Okay...so she's not singing the songs, and no one's putting her in detention or anything so why on earth does this require nationwide news coverage?
Good question. This seems to be a whole lot about nothing.

“ Harm None Do What Ye Will”

Since: Jun 08

here

#11 Dec 22, 2009
maybe the reason she's still whining is to get in the newspaper.oh,wait,she did that.mission accomplished.now,that she got what she wanted she and her family need to go on with life.
Cat

United States

#12 Jan 7, 2010
The Real Lori wrote:
Besides, Kwanzaa isn't religious. It was invented by an ex-con, to celebrate and empower black culture. That isn't my opinion, that is fact.
It's ex-con founder was convicted of the kidnap and torture of 2 women. He and a couple of buddies held those women captive, beat them with electrical cords, put a soldiering iron in one's mouth and then on the other's cheek, filled their mouths with detergent and stuck in a running water hose, and crushed one's big toe in a vice. He originally created Kwanzaa as an alternative to the religion of the white devils, stating that Jesus was psychotic and blacks should steer clear of Christianity. He later toned that down in an effort to attract the support of black Christians.

And on keeping this on topic, if the kid doesn't want to sing a song, just don't freakin sing it. I'm atheist and I have no issue with singing someone else's religious songs. Doesn't mean anything to me so why should I wreck their fun? Just mouth the words, or don't sing at all. Why is this considered news?

“ Harm None Do What Ye Will”

Since: Jun 08

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#13 Jan 7, 2010
ya know the old saying 'you learn something new everyday? well,i just learned something new. i had heard about kwanzaa for years but never knew it's origins.i just amazed that someone that cold and cruel actually got a religion started.man, the things people will do.for that matter,the people other people will follow is just surprising sometimes.

“A different view”

Since: Sep 08

West Riding

#14 Jan 7, 2010
wykkan wrote:
ya know the old saying 'you learn something new everyday? well,i just learned something new. i had heard about kwanzaa for years but never knew it's origins.i just amazed that someone that cold and cruel actually got a religion started.man, the things people will do.for that matter,the people other people will follow is just surprising sometimes.
Never heard of Mohammed then?
Heather

UK

#15 Jan 10, 2010
mike jones wrote:
...her mom drives her to school in a car covered in stickers that bear MANY VULGAR messages against other religions (such as Christianity and Catholicism).
She is the discriminant.
She does? Oo Well that's rich considering she said: "We don't put any other religion down. We accept them while other people just judge them". Some people!

“ Harm None Do What Ye Will”

Since: Jun 08

here

#16 Jan 10, 2010
albion wrote:
<quoted text>Never heard of Mohammed then?
yeah,i just never really realized that before.course i never really paib that much attention to them before either.

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