Potential in Owsley
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Outdoorsman

United States

#1 Dec 17, 2012
I drove through Owsley County for the first time last weekend. I was amazed. What a gorgeous county. Lots of hills, forest, streams and open country. A neat little county seat with a unique courthouse. You're the best kept secret in Kentucky. But could someone please explain to me why you people have never developed the fishing, hunting, camping and hiking potential in your county so you could make money off it? You're only 2-3 hours from Lexington and 3-4 hours from Louisville and Cincinnati. There are thousands of people who would come down there for a weekend, a week or two weeks to relax in all that nice country, and in the process rent motel rooms or cabins, buy meals in restaurants, buy gas, have vehicles serviced, hire fishing and hunting guides, pay to camp, stock up in grocery stores and bait shops, and maybe even buy cabins as second homes. I have to admit there are some roads, especially in the eastern third of the county, where some dilapidated homes mar the landscape and would need bought, removed, and their residents moved to more modern homes in town. But I'm sure those folk would cooperate if the money were enough, and the money to be made would allow developers to offer them enough to be tempting. You people have really been passing up a golden opportunity and should think about taking advantage of your beautiful location.
wow

Richmond, KY

#2 Dec 17, 2012
And the cabin would be taken apart an moved the first night you weren't there. That is a fact jack. Maybe even turned into Meth lab or party house. You need to do your homework.sorry to burst your bubble.
Outdoorsman

United States

#3 Dec 17, 2012
They haven't taken the Buckhorn Cathedral or Buckhorn Lodge or Pine Mountain Settlement School or Torrent Falls or the Red River Gorge or any other buildings in similar counties apart or turned them into meth labs. I refuse to believe the gene pool in Owsley County is any different than the gene pool 10 miles away across a county line in one direction or another. My homework is I hunt, fish, backpack, canoe and camp all over the country, including all over Kentucky, and I know what appeals to outdoorsmen and women. I know what has worked elsewhere. And it's not my bubble. I have a job. That's how I make the money I need to spend weekends and weeks in places like Owsley County. But the fine folk in Booneville are ignoring a golden opportunity.
wow

Richmond, KY

#4 Dec 17, 2012
Not all that great place to fish,hike an camp be OK, but not small cabins to rent or sell. Build some an see you don't really know this area. Yea its nice looking country but not for what you mention.
Outdoorsman

United States

#5 Dec 17, 2012
A network of hiking trails would bring hikers and backpackers. I've already seen signs of deer in the woods from what very little hiking I did. They alone would bring hunters, who are weary of over hunted and overcommercialized places elsewhere. Fishing would require some cleaning up of streams and improving of habitat but the river is there. Canoeists tire of the same streams over and over --- the Licking, Elkhorn, Rockcastle, Cumberland and Big South Fork get all the attention --- and would welcome a new waterway with new scenery. Build a few put ins, liveries, shuttle services and campgrounds and watch them come. Oneida to Booneville, Booneville to Beattyville. The South Fork has lots of meanders so it would take a while for a leisurely canoe trip. All these people spend money. They said no one would rent cabins in Powell and Wolfe Counties either, and now you can hardly find an open weekend. And none of their cabins have been vandalized. With all due respect, Eastern Kentuckians have been born and raised in the area and take it for granted. For people living elsewhere places like Owsley are Paradise. Maybe not to live in, but to come to for recreation, Yes. Owsley is within a day's drive of 50% of the population of the U.S. Look at the Gorge. The place is being loved to death by Ohioans, Indianians and Michiganders. And their fishing isn't that great, either. Yours would be better if you improved the habitat, which the State would help you do. If you don't like cabins, then build motels and bed and breakfast units. You can get federal grants to help you do everything I'm talking about.
Cool hand luke

Louisville, KY

#6 Dec 18, 2012
Outdoorsman wrote:
A network of hiking trails would bring hikers and backpackers. I've already seen signs of deer in the woods from what very little hiking I did. They alone would bring hunters, who are weary of over hunted and overcommercialized places elsewhere. Fishing would require some cleaning up of streams and improving of habitat but the river is there. Canoeists tire of the same streams over and over --- the Licking, Elkhorn, Rockcastle, Cumberland and Big South Fork get all the attention --- and would welcome a new waterway with new scenery. Build a few put ins, liveries, shuttle services and campgrounds and watch them come. Oneida to Booneville, Booneville to Beattyville. The South Fork has lots of meanders so it would take a while for a leisurely canoe trip. All these people spend money. They said no one would rent cabins in Powell and Wolfe Counties either, and now you can hardly find an open weekend. And none of their cabins have been vandalized. With all due respect, Eastern Kentuckians have been born and raised in the area and take it for granted. For people living elsewhere places like Owsley are Paradise. Maybe not to live in, but to come to for recreation, Yes. Owsley is within a day's drive of 50% of the population of the U.S. Look at the Gorge. The place is being loved to death by Ohioans, Indianians and Michiganders. And their fishing isn't that great, either. Yours would be better if you improved the habitat, which the State would help you do. If you don't like cabins, then build motels and bed and breakfast units. You can get federal grants to help you do everything I'm talking about.
I have said the same things before. It would be away for them to work. I would come and join in as well. They also could have 4+4 trails from easy to harder. along with the hunting and fishing. But i also think the people there doesn't want the strange faces in there town. Almost makes me think they are hiding somthing. They don't want everyone to know where booneville is. Maybe in 100 more years.
wow

Richmond, KY

#7 Dec 18, 2012
You guys seem to have big plans, put up or shut up.don't think you really know this area as good as you think.this would be big under taking even we won't eat the fish. Most hunters here go other places to hunt.by the way people here don't want strangers fidding a.t.v.tearing up there land. Don't think your plan will fly.
Outdoorsman

United States

#8 Dec 18, 2012
I agree that right now the streams are not running clean and the fish are probably unsafe, plus there are not the varieties that would be there if the water were clean. But there's no city upstream. The small number of individual homes emptying into the streams could be resolved. There's probably also some mine drainage from way upstream. That can be resolved, too. With modern technology these things are not expensive or difficult. Then fish can be stocked snd given a year to grow and breed. As for deer and other game, the habitat is there. They can be stocked and given a few years to develop a healthy population. This is a simple wildlife management issue. As for most people not wanting strangers in the county, the people up in Wolfe and Powell and Menifee Counties said that, too, until the money started coming. All of a sudden nobody was complaining. As for it being a big undertaking, of course it would. But you're not going to lure a factory or any other major employment source down there with no railroad, no major highway and no educated work force, plus the executives and mid level managers wouldn't move there because they would not want their kids in that school system. So taking advantage of the one way you do have to expand the tax base, provide jobs and generate prosperity would certainly be worth considering.
wow

Richmond, KY

#9 Dec 18, 2012
Sounds easy to you,anything east of 75 and south of 64 have been the redheaded stepchild of the state for ever. The only time you see big Hal
Rogers around is election time.they raped eastern ky.over the years and now most people can't and survive without government help.last thing we had was tobacco now it is gone. This makes it hard for rednecks to make a living.the only way to make extra cash is through drugs. This is the reason your plan can't work the bigger players in county will make sure of that sorry.

Outdoorsman

United States

#10 Dec 18, 2012
Why would not the bigger players want to get in on it rather than blocking it? By the way, I agree with you about the redheaded stepchild, about Hal Rogers, and about the harms done to the region. But those "rednecks," as you put it, could make a living running small businesses like canoe liveries, bait shops, motels, restaurants, gas stations, outfitting services, etc. Money coming into the county would employ a lot of people and their having money to spend would make other businesses possible. Pretty soon drugs wouldn't be the only way to make a living.
wow

Richmond, KY

#11 Dec 18, 2012
You put an animal in a cage feed it water it after awhile it depends only on you for all its needs. Alot of rednecks have got use to there foodstamps ssi checks fuel assistance wic free Xmas presants medical cards.the few that do work do only long enough to earn income credit. It might not sound like much but add it up would really surprise what there gross would be.throw in drugs and pot patch all cash is just gravey.this is the main reason they don't want you hiking,boating,and riding through there privite areas. Could be a safety hazard for you weekend adventurers. Sorry but they have learned this is the easyest way out for them.
wow

Richmond, KY

#12 Dec 18, 2012
You can sell pot for 200 dollars per ounce, sell a percent 30mg.for 50bucks,a lortab 10mg. for 8 bucks you get pills paid for by uncle Sam why stant in a bait shop an nightcrawers for 200 per doz. This is what has happened here. The average income here around 12000 per yr. But how many dull wheel 4x4 trucks did you pass on your trip through our poor ravished little county. Everything here is based on first of mounth, come back on first you think you were in Lexington. Everyone with brown envelope in front shirt pocket, big smiles an yellow tobacco stained tooth. Big load of groceries, full pill bottles,an a big Spencer box,they are dam good, life is good here can't run me off.
Outdoorsman

United States

#13 Dec 18, 2012
You make excellent points but the situation is about to change. Now, let's not let this deteriorate into a political rant, but Obama is taking us into national bankruptcy. We're already $16 trillion in debt and he promises to take us to $22 trillion by 2016, except that sometime in 2015, as we pass the $20 trillion mark, we collapse in bankruptcy and become the next Greece. At that point, all those handouts, like a lot of other government programs, stop. Social Security and Medicare will probably survive intact, but food stamps, Medicaid, AFDC child payments, welfare, and the other support systems will collapse. We did without them before and we can learn to do without them again, but those people will starve in the dark and the cold and suddenly working for a living at a minimum wage job might not seem so bad after all.
Knows

Pikeville, KY

#14 Dec 18, 2012
You make excellent points but the situation is about to change. Now, let's not let this deteriorate into a political rant, but Obama is taking us into national bankruptcy. We're already $16 trillion in debt and he promises to take us to $22 trillion by 2016, except that sometime in 2015, as we pass the $20 trillion mark, we collapse in bankruptcy and become the next Greece. At that point, all those handouts, like a lot of other government programs, stop. Social Security and Medicare will probably survive intact, but food stamps, Medicaid, AFDC child payments, welfare, and the other support systems will collapse. We did without them before and we can learn to do without them again, but those people will starve in the dark and the cold and suddenly working for a living at a minimum wage job might not seem so bad after all.
You are a big talker...
Outdoorsman

United States

#15 Dec 18, 2012
Not really. I spend a lot of time out in the woods not saying anything at all for whole days. But what I've written on here is the Truth, and needs said.
wow

Richmond, KY

#16 Dec 18, 2012
Wow now you have nothing else to say. Government broke can,t afford to clean up river. Check mate
STRO

Booneville, KY

#17 Dec 18, 2012
Wow now you have nothing else to say. Government broke can,t afford to clean up river. Check mate

Save the river otter!!
Outdoorsman

United States

#18 Dec 18, 2012
I didn't say the federal government was going to clean up the river. That job would be done by the State Department of Fish & Wildlife plus the State Department of Natural Resources. They're funded by state fishing and hunting licenses plus other income derived from outdoorsmen. It is possible the Daniel Boone National Forest might play a role, and they're funded by user fees, grazing rights, timber fees and other income. If the people of Owsley County wanted it done, it could be done.
wow

Richmond, KY

#19 Dec 18, 2012
Tell you what you call Hal and Mitch an see what they think of your plan. We will wait an wait an wait. You see we are not drinking your koolaid, yes we have uneducated folks her. We even have some lazy ones but we like it just the it is.we still raise gardens, can,butcher hogs.we might just like a simple way of life less stress no traffic jams no motor boats.it makes a more quite lazy pass of living. Don't be jelious just move here an join in. You could be like that guy on green acres.
Outdoorsman

United States

#20 Dec 18, 2012
Well, now, it's not exactly Koolaid. You have to admit it would work. What you're saying is nobody in the county WANTS it to work, so they won't do it. That is altogether different from saying it's a bad idea. As for "uneducated," that's an opinion. There are lots of ways to be "educated." Yes, it's true, I have several college degrees so in my narrow fields I might know a bit more than some of the folk in Owsley County. But I know guys who never went to college who can pull their truck into their barn and fix the transmission, or the clutch, or rebuild the engine, which I could never do. I know women who can go into the kitchen and fix Thanksgiving Dinner, which I could never do. And back when Tobacco was big, I knew folk who were very good at raising that crop from seedlings to golden leaf, which I could never do. I'm pretty good at herding cattle, or setting up a dry camp in the rain, and I can flyfish for Trout, but I'm no good at Bass fishing. So how "educated" someone is depends on what we're talking about being "educated" for. As for Hal or Mitch, you and I both know there aren't enough votes in Owsley for them to mess with anything there. You'll get no criticism from me about living the simple life. I'd happily live out in a cabin in the woods except for that small matter of needing to make a living. And while I like the idea of canoeing from Oneida to Beattyville or from Buckhorn to Beattyville, I would not be a big fan of motorboats on those small rivers. As for the Green Acres comparison, the humor in that show was because he was trying to be someone he was not. I know my strengths. I'm no farmer. I just like to come to remote places and escape the city for a while. So do a lot of other people, and they spend money when they do it. That's the point of this discussion.

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