Puzzled

Booneville, KY

#22 Mar 7, 2010
This is what we have settled for... A team that wins 13 games. It's a joke.
comment

Booneville, KY

#23 Mar 8, 2010
yea im a student there and most of that shit is true but it is bullshit no students should get speacial f***ing treatment it pisseis me off same with the kids with all the money
owlfan

Booneville, KY

#24 Mar 13, 2010
Owsleygreat wrote:
This might be the best Owls boys basketball team in 20 years.
Last 20 years...
1990-2005 teams were all better than the 2010 version.'10 team is probably 16th best OCHS team over the past 20 years.
what___IN THE HECK

Booneville, KY

#25 Mar 20, 2010
well i think they are pretty good my self but what about the younger boys basketball at oces they are good to..........but i think the ones you all need to be talkin about on here is the OCHS girls basketball they are the ones who have won most ballgames this year......i am someone at the elementary school and i sometimes practice with the girls to get me ready for middle school basketball next year.......so maybe you should start a conversation about our girls!!!!!!!!GO OWLS GO LADY OWLS
OwsleyNation

Evansville, IN

#26 Mar 20, 2010
The boys Basketball team of 2010 were very lucky to the district. It was a very, very weak district at that. The best basketball team was Dakota, Travis, Adam's 2000 team. There hasn't been a team that comes close to matching them since and only the 83' and 1990 teams were even close to being as good as they were.
somebody

Booneville, KY

#27 Mar 20, 2010
The boys Basketball team of 2010 were very lucky to the district. It was a very, very weak district at that. The best basketball team was Dakota, Travis, Adam's 2000 team. There hasn't been a team that comes close to matching them since and only the 83' and 1990 teams were even close to being as good as they were. it hink u are right
Sad but True

Booneville, KY

#28 Mar 20, 2010
The basketball players (boys and girls), cheerleaders, and teachers kids have always gotten special treatment, years ago and now too. 20 years ago when I was in school, my best friend was a teachers child and she and I got away with lots of things the others didn't. My kids are at the high school and they have said that the basketball players stay out of class all the time and just hang around with the teachers and talk ball all the time. I am pround of thier district win this year, but not one of the kids on the team is going to make thier future with basketball. They need to be students first. You can't be a student if your out of 1/2 of your classes every day. They will find it a big shock when their professors and bosses expect them to do more than play basketball.
owlfan

Booneville, KY

#29 Mar 21, 2010
somebody wrote:
The boys Basketball team of 2010 were very lucky to the district. It was a very, very weak district at that. The best basketball team was Dakota, Travis, Adam's 2000 team. There hasn't been a team that comes close to matching them since and only the 83' and 1990 teams were even close to being as good as they were. it hink u are right
I'm guessing that whomever wrote this is probably in their early to mid 20s and were probably too young (in diapers or attending grades school) to remember the '90 team...and probably only heard about the 1983 team. I was a fan of all three teams '83,'90, and '00.
But if I had to rank them,'83 would be first,'90 second, and '00 would be third. No offense to the '00 team they were really fun to watch, but their full-court pressure would not have effected the '83 or '90 teams. Then you get into a half court game where both teams would pound it down low to either Mike Turner in '83 or Jeff Moore in '90. Physically no one on the '00 team could match up with either Turner or Moore. IMO the '83 and '90 teams would have had little trouble defending the '00 team...overall they were bigger and just as athletic.
The '83 team went (29-5), reaching the regional finals. The '90 team went (25-7), and were all a state runners-up. The 2000 Owls went (24-7) all-a state semi-finals, region semi-finals. That's three of the best seasons in school history and all were very fun to watch.
comeon

Evansville, IN

#30 Mar 21, 2010
I was there for the 2000 and 1990 teams.....
To say that the 2000 team had no offense? Are you serious?
Let's look at it......
1) Dakota was a sharp cutting guard who could dribble against any defender successfully, shot from anywhere on the floor with his jump shot and had great passing skills and sense of presence on the court, along with great defensive talents.
2)Travis was a great rebounder, leader on the court, moved without the ball, good shooter, set screens and picks and just had an overall understanding of the game, team mates and opponents.
3) Adam was a force on the inside, big strong, quick and could shot really well, pass, espically inside the three point line and had great hands.
4) Not to mention the other role players; Jeremy Moore who moved without the ball, hustled, had good hands and could rebound, David Price and Jason Mays both could dribble, shot, rebound and move without the ball, Jeremy Byrd was a good outside shooter and all around good player. They were a very good team. They controlled the tempo and were all around a good team.
Sure they didn't get to the finals of the All A, but they did return back to back 14th region titles (advancing to the semi-finals of that tournament, one game away from the championship) for the All A. They went further in the 14th REGION tournament than the 1990 team, who were beaten in the 1st round by Breathitt County. The 2000 team made it to the semi-finals and were beaten by Knott County.
Breathitt beat the 1990 team when they fouled Moose out and Harold could hit the broad side of the barn that night. They really had no other offensive threats. The 1990 team was good but had their weak spots and when foul trouble raised or someone wasn't on that night, it could turn ugly. Sure if Moose had 20 and Harold had 15 and hen Digger and Bryan had a combined 12 and then Craig had a few points and they could control the tempo by slowing it down to a half court offense and then press the 2-2-1 with a full court press, it worked and they won but, if they were taken out of their game....they lost. e.i., They were beaten like a drum by Magoffin County on senior night but some 20 points.
No doubt, the 1990 team was good and successful. But compared to the 2000 team, they were not as fully developed as a team. The 2000 team had 5-7 seniors that had played with each other on teams from the age of 5 or 6 and Travis, Adam and Dakota were always playing together at their homes. Sure the 1990 had the strong presence of Moose in the middle, Harold was a good outside shooter (but if he wasn't hitting, he was limited to his other offensive aspect such as inside play and sorta weak enough to be pushed around in the middle, so he stayed out of there for a reason). Jason Cope was a good rebounder, but didn't shot the ball very well outside of the paint. Craig Marshall was good but was young and not a threat, more of a role player really at best. The Bryan Dean was a great defensive player but didn't pose a threat offensively, he would just fill in with 4-6 points a game, usually off a rebound or fast break. Sure they were good but if you shut down Moose, they didn't have much. Their fast break game was not their strength, they were more half court and that depended on if Moose was able to stay out of foul trouble and hit his high % shots. And again, Harold Creech was hot one night and cold another. Besides that, they really didn't have any offense.
The 1983 was great, never seen them play. But I'm sure they were better than the 2000 team, just reading their stats and the threat of Mike Turner and Caleb Dean. Not to mention the depth of the team and hard nose defense they could play with the strength and speed from the over all team.
And if you are using season win loses and advancement in tournments, well there are too many variables to account for to make a deter mention on those grounds.
But to say the 2000 team had no offense? You can't be serious.....
1983 alumni

Booneville, KY

#31 Mar 22, 2010
The 1983 team was rated in the top 10 in the state for most of the season.
cant agree

Booneville, KY

#32 Mar 27, 2010
Teams choose to play styles, control tempos, etc. The 2000 team held opponents to 45 points a game on average or about that. Game changed from 83 to 2000. Three point line, teams consolidating and better fundamentals also from basketball players around the state. Not always the case in Owsley but for opponents yes. Kids start out younger overall and develop a feel for the game sooner. Competition is better now than in the 80's. 80's had teams that were good as they are now but the overall talent is better statewide. Perry, knott, letcher and other schools combine to make better teams now. 2000 team had plenty of offense in the big three of dakota, travis and adam. dakota 1600 pts, travis 2200 pts, adam over 1000 pts career. That is three of the top 30 all time probably in school history. Travis is third all time and actually has more than moose at 2100 pts. mike turner being second and of course paul smith first. Having three scoring options on an high school team of that caliber is rare. Pure shooters no but scorers yes. 2000 team scored in the 80's or above plenty of times. Choosing to play defense was their best asset and all three of those along with other players sacrificed shots and game control for a faster paced offense. Ive seen dakota and travis score in the thirtys many times with high efficiency. Adam played on the 2001 team as well that had a good season and was a better shooting team than the year before but nowhere near the defensive presence. Pounding it inside is always a way to play if you have a mike turner or moose but you do have to distribute the ball to them. dakota and travis could create their own shots. very rare in high school basketball to have two players that could penetrate and shoot also off the dribble. Opinions are opinions but the 2000 team could beat either of the two other teams. With that said i would say a seven game series of matching up with the other two like an nba series would be a toss up until you could have actually played it out. Noone will truly know this debate! Until we have a regional winner go to the sweet sixteen i say we dont have a "best team" Unless you wanna go by credentials alone.
glad

Booneville, KY

#33 Mar 27, 2010
2010 team had plenty of talent and an uplifting year for the owsley fan base. going from the past several years to not reaching double digit wins to a district title is comforting. district was down in nature but anytime we get a district title we should be proud at least. As being a good team? 13 wins is an average team. Until you reach around 20 wins depending on amount of games played do you call yourself a good team. Maybe if they had cracked the mountain top 5 or the region top 5 they could say they are the best. 2010 team turned the ball over way to much rebounded in spurts and did not defend well overall.
seriously

Booneville, KY

#34 Mar 27, 2010
dakota was player of the year in the 14th and couldnt score? travis was a pre-season mr. basketball that year. both averaged around 20 pts a game not counting the rest of the squad. I have watched both have games of close to 40 points.
Basketballwhite

Booneville, KY

#35 Mar 28, 2010
1983 alumni wrote:
The 1983 team was rated in the top 10 in the state for most of the season.
So what? That's not a valid reason to call them the best team in Owsley's history. Dakota's team was top in mountains? So? What does mean? That's a few sports writers comparing the teams of THAT YEAR. You ppl amaze me!!
Old Timer

Booneville, KY

#36 Mar 30, 2010
What about the 64 team that won regional runner-up playing against State powerhouse teams of the day, Carr Creek, Hazard and Breathitt Co. who all won state Championships in that era.
seriously

Booneville, KY

#37 Mar 30, 2010
nice point probably a very good team or one of the best or the best. Had the best player of all time in Owsley history in Paul Smith. No need to argue this point either he went to Mississippi State lead state in scoring a couple times and had more points than anyone in history while starting five years. May have been best team of all time but it would be hard to compare a 64 team to a current team with the changes being made. Bigger gyms, three point line and different style. I hate to put it this way but it wasn't like the modern era of basketball like we have today.
yes

Booneville, KY

#38 Mar 30, 2010
High school gym wasn't built until the seventies.
seriously

Booneville, KY

#39 Mar 30, 2010
Basketballwhite wrote:
<quoted text>
So what? That's not a valid reason to call them the best team in Owsley's history. Dakota's team was top in mountains? So? What does mean? That's a few sports writers comparing the teams of THAT YEAR. You ppl amaze me!!
When you compare teams you use credentials and winning and all that. I have the belief that you have to compare talent and winning to the era you play in. Rules changed in the late 80's and 90's, three point line, one and one after ten fouls is two shots now and not then. Many little things have changed, good high school programs watch film/video. Scouting is better, fundamentals are better with a good feeder program which comes and goes with the parent involvement in Owsley. Many arguments are valid in this debate but in all reality you are comparing different basketball. More kids need to hold themselves back and gain maturity all good teams we have had did this all three teams mentioned had numerous players do that. Everyone else does it and it helps kids later on also.
Old Timer

Booneville, KY

#40 Mar 31, 2010
If the three pt rule had been in effect in 64 Owsley would have won the Region. Didn't anybody else on here ever watch Paul Smith shoot? I know the old gym was small but he could hit 60 to 70% from the center line in the old gym
seriously

Booneville, KY

#41 Mar 31, 2010
that would have been nice if they had won the region. maybe it would have gotten the monkey off our backs so that we could have won more regional titles.

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