enough is enough

Green Forest, AR

#81 Apr 10, 2011
Everyone can argue the topic but the fact of the matter is the last thing Booneville needs is a pain clinic. It doesn't take a genius to see that. They are banning the clinics in Knott County because they are contributing to the drug problem. Their community can see what its doing, I don't understand why ours cant. I just don't understand the reasoning behind this. If anyone cared about our community it shouldn't even be considered! I just don't know whats going to happen to the future of this town. Unbelievable.
your nuts

Booneville, KY

#82 Apr 10, 2011
enough is enough wrote:
Everyone can argue the topic but the fact of the matter is the last thing Booneville needs is a pain clinic. It doesn't take a genius to see that. They are banning the clinics in Knott County because they are contributing to the drug problem. Their community can see what its doing, I don't understand why ours cant. I just don't understand the reasoning behind this. If anyone cared about our community it shouldn't even be considered! I just don't know whats going to happen to the future of this town. Unbelievable.
What about the people that truly need these meds? They are people, who are suffering from chronic pain due to disease and injury!
They have to drive all the way to Lexington!
HAVE YOU NO CONCERN FOR THESE PEOPLE?
The drug users are going to get them anyway! Or maybe! Your are a drug dealer, knowing this will cut into your profit!
enough is enough

Green Forest, AR

#83 Apr 10, 2011
your nuts wrote:
<quoted text>
What about the people that truly need these meds? They are people, who are suffering from chronic pain due to disease and injury!
They have to drive all the way to Lexington!
HAVE YOU NO CONCERN FOR THESE PEOPLE?
The drug users are going to get them anyway! Or maybe! Your are a drug dealer, knowing this will cut into your profit!
Dear God, I am not a drug dealer!! I am one of many people in this county whose family has been affected by having a member die from or be addicted to pain medications. There are families out there who are praying and spending thousands of dollars to try and get their family members help and keep them away from the abuse! And I know that the main source of their drugs came from pain clinics in Florida and other states. This clinic will only make it more convenient for druggies and drug dealers to get their pills, I really don't see the argument there. All they need is the cash and they get a prescription. I would say most drug dealers get their pain pills from these pain clinics. Have you seen the number of clinics that have been busted for this very reason? And as far as people who really need pain medication...I do agree there are some that do to get through their day, I also have family members in this category as well. I would imagine these people in chronic pain have a doctor they see regularly for their ailment who could prescribe the medication I know my family members do. A pain clinic is NOT the only place where someone can get the medication they need!! And not only will it be people of this county obtaining pain pills from this clinic they will be from all the surrounding counties...Just what
Booneville needs, more druggies roaming around!
abc

London, KY

#84 Apr 10, 2011
Is there a pain clinic already open, or is it being debated? There are clinics closer than Lexington. Try Hazard. London has several that have been in business for years. No problems that I am aware of. This is all about money. In years past, if you needed treatment, your family doc took care of you. I am not sure what happened and how pain clinics were allowed to open. Most of these docs are not pain specialists. They just found an easy way to use the degree they have. Short hours, and no hospital rounds. Not to mention, the pay is apparently very good. Going to a clinic for someone in chronic pain is a terrible experience. The stigma alone makes you feel worse regardless of how you are treated. It is not right to make people in chronic pain go to the same clinics that drug addicts go to for treatment. There is a certain amount of tension between the two types of patients. Some are there for addiction. Some are there due to injury/illness. This probably does not matter to you unless you are the person in pain. It matters to me and I am sick of of it. Pain clinics should be required by law to treat pain. There are treatment centers for addicts. Yet, many patients are there for addiction only. And what do they get? Drugs.
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#85 Apr 10, 2011
I hope something is done soon!!! Their is so many familes suffering because someone in their family is addicited to prscripition drugs. This is a huge problem, I dont think we need this clinic. Our law enforcement wasnt doing enough to combat the drug issues before the clinic and with the clinic it will only make the problem worse. Our youth is suffering! We need something positive come to the community not add to it's dimise!!!!!
SSSSSS

Chesterfield, MO

#86 Apr 11, 2011
Pain Clinic or no Pain Clinic they are going to get their drugs. I heard a older man say once if New York was the only place you could buy whiskey and a man wanted it he would make the trip.
lifeisabitch

Henderson, KY

#87 Apr 11, 2011
give me all the pills you can fill me cause life is too short to worry abt dying!!!!!!!!!
Dont Listen

Chesterfield, MO

#88 Apr 18, 2011
lifeisabitch wrote:
give me all the pills you can fill me cause life is too short to worry abt dying!!!!!!!!!
Ummm could you be any dumber? This comment is a slap in the face to those who have lost loved ones.
mad man

Booneville, KY

#89 May 5, 2011
people that doing it is going to do it someway or another people that aint doing be happy u aint on it and shut up these books ur writing aint going to change squat
Hmmmmm

Booneville, KY

#90 May 23, 2011
Just Some Input wrote:
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Well that depends on how comment the people are. You can set up a Citizens watch group. Make it known that you the Citizens will be watching the clinic and recording the names of all that go in and out of it. I think this would make them very nervous.
Wow, that is extremely invasive to confidential patient information. Did you go to medical school and training for 11 years? If so, then maybe you can say who needs the medicine and who doesn't. "Pain clinic" does not always equal "pill mill". There are a select few pain management doctors who are doing things right.

"Pain management" is a specialty that focuses on many aspects of pain control. Any type of pain is a complex problem, and cannot be fixed by pills. It isn't "pain cure", but "pain management".

PM doctors include a wide array of treatments for patients, including physical therapy, massage therapy, psychiatric counseling, screening for drug abuse, multiple non-narcotic medications, spinal injections, trigger point injections, etc. Every person in pain has different needs and will have a different pain management plan. I guarantee you that "pills only" is NEVER going to help anyone increase their quality of life. Narcotic medications, however, can be a useful part of pain management.

One thing that is quite frustrating is for patients who have real pain to be unwilling to try the other approaches to pain management. They just want to take a pill and make everything okay, because anything else takes effort.(The same thing applies to diet pills, but that is another discussion altogether.)

The real goal should not be just "pain control". The real goal should be improving quality of life, and that involves much more than the physical. Many studies have proven that the spiritual and emotional health is directly involved in pain perception (and in general health overall.) Self-improvement does help, and using all the tools available (including meds sometimes) is very important.

I absolutely agree - there are pain clinics who will not see you as a patient unless you agree to have their spinal injections (which are absolutely NOT appropriate for many patients in chronic pain). Spinal injections are a HUGE way to make money, far more than prescriptions, and unscrupulous doctors do milk the system for that.

And, of course, there are the everpresent "pill mills" where people can go to get as many of anything as they want. I personally know that many of the doctors do NOT do any sort of physical exam, and routinely "weed out" patients randomly to make it look good for the DEA. This is wrong, and we should be reporting these doctors who are being unethical.

However, it is also ethical to treat pain. Legitimate doctors do not have an easy time. They are taught to treat pain, and many, many greedy dealers and addicted users spend a tremendous amount of energy to "fool the doctor" and "beat the drug screen". As a result, many people with real pain are being brushed off instead of treated. This is wrong, too.

There is no easy answer. Marijuana is less dangerous than almost anything out there (tobacco, alcohol, prescription opiates). I wish it would become legal.

So, for everyone who wants to put a blanket ban on all clinics that treat pain, here is a question. How do you treat pain for the real patients, and avoid feeding the addiction population? People say, "Oh, they are obviously addicted" and "It's common knowledge who is a druggie". I guarantee you it's not that simple. Any ideas for a solution? I'm glad to hear them.
noseyone

Booneville, KY

#91 May 24, 2011
jobs jobs jobs,where the hell they at,ita sad these old people have to sell their meds to make ends meet .
noseyone

Booneville, KY

#92 May 24, 2011
i wish they would legalize pot always said that
Hmmmmm

Booneville, KY

#93 May 25, 2011
If you suspect drug dealing and want to help put a stop to it, please report it to the UNITE task force. You can do it anonymously, and your name is NOT kept on any files. Their toll-free number is 1-866-424-4382. If it is after regular hours, there is an answering machine to leave your message on. This is a good way to get information into the right hands and help stop all this nonsense.

Things they want to know when you call:
(1) County or city where the activity is happening, and address if known
(2) Name(s) of the people suspected
(3) What activity is happening?
(4) Time of day the activity is observed.
(5) What type of drug is involved?
(6) Description of any vehicles involved, with license number
(7) Whether any children are in the home or around the activity
(8) If there any guns or other weapons in the location.

Their web site http://operationunite.org says this: "UNITE and Appalachia HIDTA do not keep records of actual telephone conversations. Messages left on the answering machine are deleted once tip information is logged. You may choose to provide your name and phone number if you would like detectives to contact you for additional information which may be critical to investigating your tip."

It's better than doing nothing, and it's better than complaining on topix. We've got to fight this by telling the right people who can make this stop.

Some people will say that they don't want to be a "rat". Welllll, what is this, first grade? It's not like you're telling who took the chalk off the teacher's desk - you will be helping get rid of a very dangerous (and embarrassing!) part of our community. Phone in the anonymous tips. That's a real thing we can all do.
Its a coming

Booneville, KY

#94 Jun 6, 2011
Hmmmmm wrote:
If you suspect drug dealing and want to help put a stop to it, please report it to the UNITE task force. You can do it anonymously, and your name is NOT kept on any files. Their toll-free number is 1-866-424-4382. If it is after regular hours, there is an answering machine to leave your message on. This is a good way to get information into the right hands and help stop all this nonsense.
Things they want to know when you call:
(1) County or city where the activity is happening, and address if known
(2) Name(s) of the people suspected
(3) What activity is happening?
(4) Time of day the activity is observed.
(5) What type of drug is involved?
(6) Description of any vehicles involved, with license number
(7) Whether any children are in the home or around the activity
(8) If there any guns or other weapons in the location.
Their web site http://operationunite.org says this: "UNITE and Appalachia HIDTA do not keep records of actual telephone conversations. Messages left on the answering machine are deleted once tip information is logged. You may choose to provide your name and phone number if you would like detectives to contact you for additional information which may be critical to investigating your tip."
It's better than doing nothing, and it's better than complaining on topix. We've got to fight this by telling the right people who can make this stop.
Some people will say that they don't want to be a "rat". Welllll, what is this, first grade? It's not like you're telling who took the chalk off the teacher's desk - you will be helping get rid of a very dangerous (and embarrassing!) part of our community. Phone in the anonymous tips. That's a real thing we can all do.
I saw the Seals man down there by te bd of ed last week measuring off for a double wide. Maybe these guys won't have to travel too far to get their pain pills anymore.
who cares

Booneville, KY

#95 Jun 6, 2011
sounds like you're worried that your business is gonna suffer if the pain clinic comes
Buford

United States

#96 Jun 17, 2011
The last thing booneville needs is a pain clinic agreed. And crooked lawmen. And street women. And dropouts. Welfare recipients. Ignorance. Poverty. Hard working people being held back by greedy politicians. Drug addicts.
Sounds silly huh. But did you put forth an effort to address any of these things. Or was it easier to label that big bad pain clinic. Breathitt has one. Campton. Perry many communities have them. They are regulated. True there are some ways around regulations but the majority of pain clinics weed out the fakes in the first six months. It's very unfair to patients with chronic pain. Most of the drugs as we have seen in the past few weeks are coming from Florida. Not locally.
You Know

Louisville, KY

#97 Jun 17, 2011
your nuts wrote:
<quoted text>
What about the people that truly need these meds? They are people, who are suffering from chronic pain due to disease and injury!
They have to drive all the way to Lexington!
HAVE YOU NO CONCERN FOR THESE PEOPLE?
The drug users are going to get them anyway! Or maybe! Your are a drug dealer, knowing this will cut into your profit!
If you have chronic pain and disease you need to go to a MD not a pain clinic.
not for it

Booneville, KY

#98 Jun 18, 2011
most "MD's" will refer you to a pain clinic
Belke

Detroit, MI

#99 Jun 22, 2011
All thedrugs are coming from fl. Read the papers. Outlaw visits to fl. That will solve it
Dr Dread

Brodhead, KY

#100 Jun 23, 2011
If doctors are genuinely doing their job, they aren't going to be handing out OC's unless that person is in terminal pain. Personally, I believe that doctors need to be held accountable for their part in issuing pain medication when the patient could get by on a much less. There are times that physical therapy or a chiropractor can take care of much of the pain. I think that in order for a doctor to be able to run a pain clinic they need to be under close scrutiny, patient records need to be monitored, there needs to be proof that a patient actually needs the drug and why. There may be such a system but obviously some are slipping through the loopholes. Also, pain medication is not the only drug that needs monitored, Valium, Xanax, and Klonopin are given when an antidepressant could be more beneficial.

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