Two Richmond, Mo., women killed in cr...

Two Richmond, Mo., women killed in crash with cattle trailer

There are 29 comments on the KansasCity.com story from Dec 1, 2009, titled Two Richmond, Mo., women killed in crash with cattle trailer. In it, KansasCity.com reports that:

Authorities have identified the two women killed in a crash involving a cattle trailer as Shirley A. ODell, 74, and Caroline A. Rogers, 70.

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Tracy and Rick Rogers

Columbia, MO

#1 Dec 1, 2009
So sad to hear about Caroline Rogers. She was a beautiful woman inside and out. She will be missed by those that knew and loved her!
No Nonsense

United States

#2 Dec 1, 2009
Was this the same Tommy Odell that served as inspector and his wife Shirley?

My prayers are with them.
A town that cares

Kansas City, MO

#3 Dec 1, 2009
We will miss them. Caroline was a true friend and Shirley too.
Norton

Kansas City, MO

#4 Dec 1, 2009
No Nonsense wrote:
Was this the same Tommy Odell that served as inspector and his wife Shirley?
My prayers are with them.
Yes
Chis

Columbia, MO

#5 Dec 3, 2009
My husband and I were first on the scene,we were just passer byers, not cops or any other official. My husband actually pulled the door open so Tommy could get out of the car. We did not see the accident, but it was a horrific scene, very undescribable. I was wondering if anyone on this forum can tell me how Tommy is doing? I saw on the Highway Patrol report that charges are pending. What charges? Isn't the fact there was an accident and the lose of these two women enough?
I spoke with Lillian and I would also like to hear how she is doing. I know she is supposed to have knee surgery, Tommy told me that, but is she still able to have this done? I would just like to hear how the survivors are doing. I have thought about them every day and I just can't get them out of my thoughts. Our prayers and deepest sympathies go out to all of the individuals who knew the survivors as well as the ones who lost their lives. Any info would greatly be appreciated. Thanks
richmond aol

Jefferson City, MO

#6 Dec 3, 2009
he will be lucky if he doesnt end up with manslaughter charges however since it didnt happen in ray county it might be different

Since: Jul 09

Kansas City, MO

#7 Dec 3, 2009
Chis wrote:
My husband and I were first on the scene,we were just passer byers, not cops or any other official. My husband actually pulled the door open so Tommy could get out of the car. We did not see the accident, but it was a horrific scene, very undescribable. I was wondering if anyone on this forum can tell me how Tommy is doing? I saw on the Highway Patrol report that charges are pending. What charges? Isn't the fact there was an accident and the lose of these two women enough?
I spoke with Lillian and I would also like to hear how she is doing. I know she is supposed to have knee surgery, Tommy told me that, but is she still able to have this done? I would just like to hear how the survivors are doing. I have thought about them every day and I just can't get them out of my thoughts. Our prayers and deepest sympathies go out to all of the individuals who knew the survivors as well as the ones who lost their lives. Any info would greatly be appreciated. Thanks
Tommy has a broken vertabre I have heard from someone that visited him and he does not need surgery, I was told that he will be able to go to his wife's memorial Saturday at their church 10:00 am at Henrietta First Baptist Church. From what I understand Lillian is in stable condition and that's all I know. Tommy is in St. Luke's hosptital near the Plaza in K.C., MO. Not sure about Lilllian. I will be very upset if they charge him with anything after the death of his beloved wife and friend. A lot of people will. In the Bible widows and helping them, that is what we all need to do.
I'm glad you were there to help them and sharing your story.
Little Lady

Kansas City, MO

#8 Dec 3, 2009
Exactly what did happen to cause this terrible accident, and why would Tommy be charged with manslaughter or any other charges for that matter.
Chis

Columbia, MO

#9 Dec 3, 2009
Thank you for this tid bit. The Hwy Patrol Report stated that Tommy was in the North bound lane headed south and the pickup and cattle trailer were in the North bound lane, headed north. The pickup and trailer swerved, which put passenger sides passing each other, and Tommy's car struck the rear of the trailer, which was were Caroline and Shirley were riding. I googled the names and I read the obituary for Caroline and I noticed that her maiden name was Hale, which is the same last name as the driver of the pickup. Is there any relation?? It makes sense if you saw the scene, but it still doesn't explain why the car was in the wrong lane, but I don't think Tommy recalled exactly what happened immediately before impact.
Angie

Spring, TX

#10 Dec 3, 2009
I seriously hope he does not get charged. I do not know details as to why they crossed the center line but I do know that all of these people are good, salt of the Earth pillars in the community and church.(I would lay my life that drugs and alcohol are not a factor too.) We used to go the HBC and Lil was our neighbor. You could not ask for nicer people! Charging Tommy will do no good. He has already paid a huge price plus his at his age what would be accomplished?
richmond aol wrote:
he will be lucky if he doesnt end up with manslaughter charges however since it didnt happen in ray county it might be different
Chis

Bonnots Mill, MO

#11 Dec 4, 2009
Please keep posting anything you can on here, I will keep checking. I would also like to hear how Lillian is doing, if any one has or gets any information on her I would appreciate it being posted. Are their families close by? Tommy was on the phone after he got out of the car and before the ambulance arrived, I just assumed he was speaking with a relative, but I don't/didn't know the details nor was I concerned with it. My concern was Lillian and the others in the car. Please keep posting and ask if there is anything I can answer for anyone to assist with closure I will tell you anything I can.
Thanks and everyone involved is in my prayers.
Chris
Little Lady

Kansas City, MO

#12 Dec 4, 2009
Chris, or anyone else who might know more details. Tommy, his wife Shirley, and Caroline were very close friends of my parents. I went to elementary school with Caroline's 3 daughters and my mom flew to Hawaii with Shirley to stay with my dad and Shirley went with mom to stay with her first husband. I think if I remember correctly his name was Earl Strickler. Just a few months back Shirley had sent my mom some pictures she had when they were all together in Hawaii and she had written on the outside of the envelope that the pictures were to be given to me, as my mom is having health problems. We went to Caroline's visitation last night--the casket was closed we assumed due to her injuries. Does anyone know the details of the injuries of Caroline and Shirley?? They were all such wonderful people and there is no doubt in my mind that Caroline and Shirley are now angels in Heaven. God bless Tommy and pray for him, as I'm sure he will feel guilty and blame himself for something that he had no control over.
Chis

Bonnots Mill, MO

#13 Dec 4, 2009
I don't want to go into detail as to the extent of their injuries, I anticipted closed caskets for both of these women. The images are still something both myself and my husband can't get out of our heads. There was EXTENSIVE bodily damage. I just don't want to go into detail out of respect for the family and friends of these people. We have a total of 6 children in our home and my husband and I explained somethings to our 11 and 12 year old children to help them understand in case we reacted to the events in our sleep. If it is any consulation there is no way, NO WAY these woman suffered. That means something to me. I was screaming at the conservation officer who pulled over, to get an ambulance, which of course had already been called, but even if they would have been on scene before the car stopped they could not have been saved in "my opinion". I keep telling my husband that for some reason God put us at that spot at that time for some reason. We won't question why. I know I said ask anything and I will answer it if I can, but ghorry details won't help you. It is unimaginable...
Amy

AOL

#14 Dec 4, 2009
Chis,
Thank you for the updates on here, Caroline's youngest is for a lack of better terminology my step-mom...the family is very torn up but understands it's an accident. Tommy and Shirley, Lillian, and Caroline were all very good friends. Tommy is out of the hospital and it's my understanding that Lillian is too. I am so sorry that you had to come upon such a horrific scene but am glad that you were there to help.
Angie

Spring, TX

#15 Dec 4, 2009
A definite thanks to those of you updating everyone. If anyone has pics of Shirley or Caroline and can forward them to me [email protected] I would appreciate it. My husband wants to place them. My little girl remembers Caroline and I am sure she would remember Tommy and Shirley if she saw pics. Lil was our neighbor so my daughter does remember her. This is just so heartbreaking. And if anyone can update us more on Lil too it is greatly appreciated. I might call St Lukes to see if they can connect me to her son. Will post more if I do. Prayers going up and thanks to all of you for being so nice.
Chis

Columbia, MO

#16 Dec 4, 2009
I don't know if it will help anyone, but you can see the car at www.bentoncountyenterprise.com , which is the local paper. This article might help answer some questions.
Pat-Trader

Cincinnati, OH

#17 Dec 4, 2009
I feel horrible for my cousin Jennifer and her family at the loss of her mother, Stanley's mother-in-law and Clay and Kirsties grandmother. Our hearts go out to them and to Tommy for his horrific loss. I will miss my Aunt Shirley.
Amy

AOL

#18 Dec 4, 2009
Pat-Trader wrote:
I feel horrible for my cousin Jennifer and her family at the loss of her mother, Stanley's mother-in-law and Clay and Kirsties grandmother. Our hearts go out to them and to Tommy for his horrific loss. I will miss my Aunt Shirley.
I am so incredibly sorry for your loss.
richmond aol

Jefferson City, MO

#19 Dec 5, 2009
there is a guy in ray county that was driving a vehichle in which his best friend was killed, no tickets issued. but three years later theyve decided to charge him with involutary manslaghter. i disagree but i guess the law cam charge you up to five years from the accident
Sunshine

Shawnee, KS

#20 Dec 5, 2009
richmond aol wrote:
there is a guy in ray county that was driving a vehichle in which his best friend was killed, no tickets issued. but three years later theyve decided to charge him with involutary manslaghter. i disagree but i guess the law cam charge you up to five years from the accident
I don't think anything like that is appropriate right now, it is time to put that to rest and time to heal.

Praise the Lord that Tommy is still here and Lillian also.

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