Matt Olson is a coward
Frustrated

Naperville, IL

#21 Sep 9, 2010
I am appalled to hear all of this name calling. You are all just saying hurtful things out of anger. Things need to be looked at on ALL SIDES not just the 3 laid off guys to get them back. Your organization has fought very hard for many years I'm sure to get the "best" contract you can get, good economy or bad. Now, since 3 guys got laid off, sadly, you all are willing to give up what you worked so very hard to get. Apparently, I do not know the specifics of the contract at hand, but it appears from the above that the only thing on the table is paying 3 guys to leave so you can get 3 guys back...loosing benefits for a non guarantee of keeping these guys. What about the rest of your "brothers and sisters" do they not matter? Because they are not laid off do they not count, just because they have a job do they not count, does their opinions on the negotiations not count? This appears to be a "negotiator only" contract. Mr. Olson is doing a good job of "doing the right thing" for the 3 guys, but may have forgotten about everyone else. But shouldn't the "right thing" be for the 3 guys that should retire do it for their new and upcoming brothers, whithout a buyout? Who is greedy now? You are looking at only 3 guys, not the membership as a whole. Why give up what you have worked hard for, for just for 3 guys to come back? The 3 guys should not be the ONLY thing on the table. That is just plain unfair and disrespectful to all the members.
miffed

Plainfield, IL

#22 Sep 9, 2010
So you don't know anything about it either but you can call it a "raw deal poop sandwich"

You are some of the most spoiled "workers" I have ever heard of. You think that your pay and benefits is a raw deal? What planet are you cops and firefighters from?

Give me the chance to get screwed like you.

A bunch of whiners and cry baby's.
You guys crack me up

Plainfield, IL

#23 Sep 9, 2010
Frustrated wrote:
I am appalled to hear all of this name calling. You are all just saying hurtful things out of anger. Things need to be looked at on ALL SIDES not just the 3 laid off guys to get them back. Your organization has fought very hard for many years I'm sure to get the "best" contract you can get, good economy or bad. Now, since 3 guys got laid off, sadly, you all are willing to give up what you worked so very hard to get. Apparently, I do not know the specifics of the contract at hand, but it appears from the above that the only thing on the table is paying 3 guys to leave so you can get 3 guys back...loosing benefits for a non guarantee of keeping these guys. What about the rest of your "brothers and sisters" do they not matter? Because they are not laid off do they not count, just because they have a job do they not count, does their opinions on the negotiations not count? This appears to be a "negotiator only" contract. Mr. Olson is doing a good job of "doing the right thing" for the 3 guys, but may have forgotten about everyone else. But shouldn't the "right thing" be for the 3 guys that should retire do it for their new and upcoming brothers, whithout a buyout? Who is greedy now? You are looking at only 3 guys, not the membership as a whole. Why give up what you have worked hard for, for just for 3 guys to come back? The 3 guys should not be the ONLY thing on the table. That is just plain unfair and disrespectful to all the members.
So paying the people who didn't get laid off 80-90K is screwing them? Disrespectful to them? You suggest that some ought to just leave to make room but these whiners here are proving they aren't willing to take pay RAISE and take these guys back to work. It is obvious who is selfish. When you can explain to anyone listening how a pay raise is giving up "all they have worked for" I'll start listening to you.
shut up idiots

Sheridan, IL

#24 Sep 9, 2010
ANY of you cops or firemen who continue this "discussion" publicly are idiots.

Red call this Olson already and stop bitching anonymously on a public forum.

You are all hurting your cause.
Immature Kids

Plainfield, IL

#25 Sep 9, 2010
I certainly hope you "public servants" don't act like this in you field. I cannot believe what I am reading. I know nothing about what your "contracts" say or what your trying to get them to say, but MAN-UP! Stop your bitchin and do what you supposedly love.

Matt, you sound like your doing your guys solid. Keep up the good work!

"Anonymous" shut your mouth or post your name, you child. SERIOUSLY!!!
torpedo yourselves

AOL

#26 Sep 9, 2010
Immature Kids wrote:
I certainly hope you "public servants" don't act like this in you field. I cannot believe what I am reading. I know nothing about what your "contracts" say or what your trying to get them to say, but MAN-UP! Stop your bitchin and do what you supposedly love.
Matt, you sound like your doing your guys solid. Keep up the good work!
"Anonymous" shut your mouth or post your name, you child. SERIOUSLY!!!
Yep
torpedo yourselves

AOL

#27 Sep 9, 2010
shut up idiots wrote:
ANY of you cops or firemen who continue this "discussion" publicly are idiots.
Red call this Olson already and stop bitching anonymously on a public forum.
You are all hurting your cause.
Yep again....... IN A BIG WAY
Nice

Plainfield, IL

#28 Sep 9, 2010
Nice
Moronic Irony

Francitas, TX

#29 Sep 9, 2010
Does anyone else see the irony in an anonymous user posting the title "Matt Olson is a coward"? Maybe the person who started this thread should look in the mirror.
A Former Chief

Bolingbrook, IL

#30 Sep 11, 2010
I will tell you theres a time and a place to discuss any contract and this forum is not the time or place. Anyone who has a complaint is free to discuss it at your union meetings, ratification meeting and amongst each other. You are also entitled to a vote and that is you chance to say yes or no to the contract.
I would assume the original posters intent is to torpedo the contract and the negotiators. Well there are several of them and you should speak directly to them. Your entitled to do that, face to face. You can call Matt a coward too, but by airing your grievance here you just lowered that bar on your own head.
Having been through several negotiations I can tell you that not everyone will be happy. And you will also not always get what you think you should get. But I ask you to look around at what you have and ask youself if your really that bad off. Do you think that people out of a job are better off that you?
This year some departments out there got raises, some laid off people, some got no raises. One department I read about laid off 1/3 of its workforce. You are not your neighbors, not the department who got 4 percent and not the one who took no raises at all. Dont look elsewhere and be envious, look and work with what you have.
These are strange times not seen in a long long time. Keep your heads and make rational discussion, not this trash!!
Thank God Al Gore invented the Internet!
slippery slop

Joliet, IL

#31 Sep 11, 2010
I wonder how many soldiers died today
mr generous

Plainfield, IL

#32 Sep 13, 2010
Lets get right down to it. What is being asked of the union members is basically to give a $1200 -$1600 donation at a time when money is tight everywhere. Those numbers are based on a 1.5-2% raise on an $80,000 salary. My wife is out of work right now and frankly I dont have $1200-$1600 to donate. Its not about greed its about reality. We held a fund raiser for the laid off cops and firemen and based on the numbers we brought in I would say its safe to say nobody shelled out that kinda money. So I challange any of you who call the unions greedy to put your money where your mouth is and donate even half of that which we are being asked to donate. Thats not even getting in to the fact that it is a yearly donation since that zero affects every contract after it.
Ticked off res

United States

#33 Sep 13, 2010
What I'm most sick of is the wasteful spending the Mayor approves for medians, flowerpots and other useless garbage. Or the money he does donate to connected "charity" groups. Now that really is a donation we can't afford. I don't believe the works we ask to potentially sacrifice their lives should have to be beat up because of the Mayor's poor spending habits. Maybe I watched way too much 9/11 shows, but the thing that struck me the most was how the Police and Fire moved against the grain. As others ran away, they were the ones rushing in. That's what Police and Fire do across this country. They are the ones rushing to assist us, willing to sacrifice all, to assist strangers. I was NEVER call their salary a "donation". Unemployement in any form is horrible. It's bad how many families have to sacrifice now. But people shouldn't be made when the Police and Fire are looking for a contract that doesn't set them further back. They aren't the ones that got us into this economic situation. A poorly run Village government bloated with losing projects and poor spending habits is what got us here. Not the public safety workers! So if you are going to be mad at anyone, be mad at a Mayor who will spend the equal of a Police Officer's salary to buy more golf carts for his losing golf course. Will spend a Fireman's salary donating to his family and friends "charity" organizations. That is what is wrong here.
Friendly for now

Plainfield, IL

#34 Sep 16, 2010
Don't jump the gun and take down the whole village.
Wait till others get their fair shake then do what you must.
Hummmmmm

Bolingbrook, IL

#35 Sep 16, 2010
I find it interesting that prior to the layoffs FF's were knocking on doors with flyers saying how everyone was going to have to wait longer for service, it would be more dangerous to go in to a burning building, and the citizens of Bolingbrook will be put at risk. Now all of a sudden it's about money in your pocket. I guess the citizens come after a 4% or 4 1/2% pay raise. Shame on you.
Of the people that would be leaving on retirement how many are union members? If you're bringing back union members, the ones they replace should be union. Or are some of the members that can leave unwilling to leave?
If the proposed contract is so bad, vote it down. If it passes, it must not have been that bad. it is the membership that makes the final decision, so stop complaining and calling each other names, and put pen to paper and vote.
Just remember, you still need each other in the end.
BFD Comparable

Wilmington, IL

#36 Sep 22, 2010
Heads up BFD members. Have you looked at your comparables? I happen to work for one of them (FD). We made concessions to keep our department staffed. Our raises were deferred, but everyone kept working. I personally can not in good conscience take a 3% raise while we lay off 5-10 FF's. The fact is, making concessions does not effect future contracts. There is still a collective bargaining agreement with an arbitration clause. The even bigger fact is, no one is starving if they sacrifice a raise to keep guys on the job.
Heard enough

Plainfield, IL

#37 Sep 24, 2010
So the fire department took RAISES, were able to get 3 people back to work and pay LESS for insurance?
Whichever cop began this thread had rocks in his head and some really incomplete information.
Whichever Bolingbrook firefighter jumped on it and skewered Olson BEFORE ever hearing any facts, ought to be ashamed.
Sounds like for our economic times he was able to do exactly what ought to be done. Negotiate a FAIR agreement between a union and a city.
I have an idea.....tell him thanks when you see him. That's what I'd do if I was one of you lucky few.
oops

Plainfield, IL

#38 Nov 1, 2010
Well 1 of the 3 "brothers" you sacraficed to get back is already leaving for greener pastures, and in the mean time you ran a 30+ year veteran out of his job that he didnt want to leave. Who exactly did your union serve???
Believer

Fenton, MO

#39 Nov 1, 2010
What I find the MOST interesting, is that a year and a half ago, Bonnie read the numbers and saw where this was heading. She told the Fire and Police he would lay off workers to put more money in his pocket of tricks. She was so upset by this, as a resident, she stepped up to fight for all the Unions and to stop the Mayor's frivilous spending in order to make Bolingbrook a SAFER place to live. What gratitude didy ou give her for this? Did you donate money or time to her campaign to save your asses? Did you ASK Roger if she was right back then? No, you voted Roger in and sent a statement to the papers that the Fire Union SUPPORTED Roger in his campaign. Therefore you supported the cuts he was going to make. Now you get what you deserve. Furthermore, nobody ever THANKED Bonnie for getting the stall in contracts open again. She stepped in a year after NO TALKS were in progress and got the Mayor to open discussions. She did not have to do this, you did not VOTE for her. Now another election comes in 5 months and you guys will probably vote for the YES people again, instead of her. I call it idiotic, so sleep in the bed you made.
Abc123

Chicago, IL

#40 Nov 1, 2010
Few things need to be clarified. First, the FD took a horrible contract. They made so many mistakes. First they backed the Mayor. Dumb. Then they stood tight with the PD and informed the public how the town is not broke and layoffs not needed. Smart. Then they fold like a house of cards in a tornado. Dumb. Then in their contract they give up benefits that are not even tied to finances. Even dumber. Then 1 of the 3 they brought back leaves. Well what can I even say about this. Just amazing.

But Bonnie had nothing to do with opening talks or getting anything going with any village contract. She was of no influence and was in no part of any process.

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