Feds challenge Boca ban on 'sober' ho...

Feds challenge Boca ban on 'sober' houses in residential areas

There are 42 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Feb 16, 2007, titled Feds challenge Boca ban on 'sober' houses in residential areas. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

The U.S. Department of Justice on Friday argued that a Boca Raton ordinance banning so-called "sober" houses from residential neighborhoods clearly violates federal housing law.

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Politically Correct

Tallahassee, FL

#1 Feb 16, 2007
I need a drink!
me too

Boca Raton, FL

#3 Feb 16, 2007
These people litter, drink alcohol, loiter, steal grocery carts from the markets to push their groceries home and then leave them in the streets. Their presence completely devalues the neighborhoods they live in. I'm sure if the judge or lawyers had these people living in their neighborhoods they'd feel like getting rid of them too. Most of these addicts are shipped here from NY or other places and the landlords are making millions in federal money. This whole argument is a joke and I hope the city wins.
Its Five Oclock Here

Boca Raton, FL

#4 Feb 16, 2007
Politically Correct wrote:
I need a drink!
Me too! First round is on me.
SoFla

United States

#5 Feb 16, 2007
And Delray does the opposite and lets them all move into any neighborhood they want. In essance they are running a boarding facility - since the men are normally there for 2 weeks and then a new group comes in (well above the number of non related people allowed to live in one house) They also are loud and have no regard for the neighborhood or the people living in the neighborhood.
RVW

Windsor, NY

#7 Feb 16, 2007
Sounds like the judge needs to see who is going to hit him up with the biggest bribe.
Indy Fan in FL

United States

#6 Feb 16, 2007
I can't believe alcoholism is classified as a "disability" or "handicap."

If you were stranded on an island without booze would you be likely to die (other than from complications of DT's the first couple of days)? Would you be unable to function (again, other than the 1st few days?). Maybe your life would be unpleasant but you wouldn't be disabled.

Having grown up with a truly handicapped person, it makes me angry to see the term "disabled" used in such a loose way.

Of course people don't want a glorified rehab center in their neighborhood. What if one of those drunks is careening down the same residential streets where kids play?
I'm sorry - drinking is a choice. Boca residents should have a corresponding choice to not live near a treatment center disguised as a home.
who cares

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#12 Feb 16, 2007
theres a whole bunch of stuff in south florida the feds need to look into this place is nothing but corruption and crime both by the people and the local goverments
who cares

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#11 Feb 16, 2007
me too wrote:
These people litter, drink alcohol, loiter, steal grocery carts from the markets to push their groceries home and then leave them in the streets. Their presence completely devalues the neighborhoods they live in. I'm sure if the judge or lawyers had these people living in their neighborhoods they'd feel like getting rid of them too. Most of these addicts are shipped here from NY or other places and the landlords are making millions in federal money. This whole argument is a joke and I hope the city wins.
stop talking about boca citizens that way
Kaye

United States

#14 Feb 16, 2007
Brian wrote:
Perspective is everything.
Next time you get car-jacked or robbed by some drug crazed lunitic, who was an unwanted child, raised in the hell that is family services because someone thought that life began at conception, sitting on their self rightous throne in their zero lot line home that looks like every other one in the neighborhood, think about thanking your higher power that you weren't raped by man of cloth when you were seven and told you were the sinner.
Then imagine your life was turned around by a halfway house and you live in a zero lot line home like every other one in the neighborhood and you get great satisfaction out of helping others that were similar to you.
HMMM,....
These places bring down property value and they are a business that makes money (allot!)! The owners are not doing because they want to help and they do not care what it does to our neighborhood. The employees are barley better themselves!
drunk house

Boca Raton, FL

#13 Feb 16, 2007
better in Boca than here...
sick and tired

AOL

#15 Feb 16, 2007
why is there air?
ex-boca house resident

United States

#16 Feb 16, 2007
I had to stay at Boca House for some time over a year ago and left as soon as I saved up enough money and let me say I would NOT want that place in my neighborhood. The house brings more drugs into the neighborhood and loitering, crime and unsavory people wandering about aimlessly and jobless. The other factor is that it is basically a scummy business - force a recovering drug addict to pay $180 dollars a week which comes out to $780 a month to stay in a 2 room shack with 3 other addicts; it just puts them in a more precarious position than anywhere else - surrounded by addicts fresh out of rehab. They tend to have limited opportunity to save up money as the rent is due every week; the addict is perpetually stuck in misery, shackled to their weekly dues and terrible living conditions. I most likely would of relapsed if I had stayed there much longer. Been clean for two years now, and all it takes is a conscience decision NOT to do drugs. No AA/NA meetings every day, which are another way to shackle the addict to the "recovery industry." It's all disgusting and designed to take advantage of the addict fresh out of rehab.
Brian

Boca Raton, FL

#17 Feb 16, 2007
Kaye wrote:
<quoted text>These places bring down property value and they are a business that makes money (allot!)! The owners are not doing because they want to help and they do not care what it does to our neighborhood. The employees are barley better themselves!
The ALMIGHTY dollar, yeah!!!
Indy Fan in FL

United States

#18 Feb 16, 2007
drunk house wrote:
better in Boca than here...
GOOD ONE!:)
sheik

Boca Raton, FL

#19 Feb 16, 2007
There comes a time when one has to say enough is enough. That time is now.
OMG

United States

#20 Feb 16, 2007
Kaye wrote:
<quoted text>These places bring down property value and they are a business that makes money (allot!)! The owners are not doing because they want to help and they do not care what it does to our neighborhood. The employees are barley better themselves!
Spoken like a true boca resident MONEY is all you care about! Not your neighborhood or so called safty plz your worried b/c your house is not going to sell for as much as you like. SO HUMANITARIAN! Instead of you know helping these poeple who are tring to get stright you whine about the only thing important to you people MONEY. You know what This is the exact reason I am going to move from this god forsaken place you people don't care anymore. I was raised here for 24yrs and saw my hometown turned form a place safe enough to let your kids play around the corner at NIGHT to a place where you don't know anyone that far from your home. This place is like freaking New York I could probaly die on your front lawn and you would move the body next store because if a murder happen on your property the value would go down. Probaly even if I was still breathing you would leave me on you nieghbors lawn to die.
Biggie Dizzle

Chicago, IL

#21 Feb 16, 2007
ex-boca house resident wrote:
I had to stay at Boca House for some time over a year ago and left as soon as I saved up enough money and let me say I would NOT want that place in my neighborhood. The house brings more drugs into the neighborhood and loitering, crime and unsavory people wandering about aimlessly and jobless. The other factor is that it is basically a scummy business - force a recovering drug addict to pay $180 dollars a week which comes out to $780 a month to stay in a 2 room shack with 3 other addicts; it just puts them in a more precarious position than anywhere else - surrounded by addicts fresh out of rehab. They tend to have limited opportunity to save up money as the rent is due every week; the addict is perpetually stuck in misery, shackled to their weekly dues and terrible living conditions. I most likely would of relapsed if I had stayed there much longer. Been clean for two years now, and all it takes is a conscience decision NOT to do drugs. No AA/NA meetings every day, which are another way to shackle the addict to the "recovery industry." It's all disgusting and designed to take advantage of the addict fresh out of rehab.
You stopped all by yourself? Yay!! Meetings tie you to the recovery industry? You're right, all those dues they charge...good point. You sound a little paranoid. Be careful, the terrorist's might strike again too.....
Ralph Maresca

Phoenix, AZ

#22 Feb 16, 2007
What happen to the rights of the majority and not the minority.
Ruby Friday

United States

#23 Feb 16, 2007
Come one, who is everyone trying to kid? Everyone knows that addicts and alcoholics really just violate Boca's aesthic appearance code. They don't have addicts and alcoholics in Boca, no no no, nothing as white trash as that! they have people that like their evening cocktails just a little too much.
SOBER IN FT LAUD

Homestead, FL

#24 Feb 16, 2007
I'm a recovering person and I wouldn't want people in a recovering house to be in the residential neighborhood that I lived in. High crime & theft is unfortunately associated with these people.

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